Never Again & This is how a Heart Breaks

[crazyfun1]

Does anyone notice that Kelly's new single Never Again, sounds awfully similar to Rob Thomas's song This is how a Heart Breaks? The beats are almost exactly the same? Do you think Kelly's camp ripped off of Rob's song for her new single?

[atlantaboy]

I've heard people say "Never Again" is also a rip off of "You Oughta Know" by Alanis Morissette (they actually compared the two on a local morning show) - anyway, "Never Again" was I think compeltely unoriginal - it even sounded like a rip-off of some Kelly Clarkson songs from her last CD, and that's why it did so poorly, I think

[shocker]

As talented as Kelly is, very few of her songs appeal to me - nothing I'm really crazy about.

She definitely needs some better songwriters.

[atlantaboy]

shocker said:

As talented as Kelly is, very few of her songs appeal to me - nothing I'm really crazy about.

She definitely needs some better songwriters.

You should back us up on the CHR/Pop board!!! :) (It's like a Kelly Clarkson fan club over there, and everyone's in denial)

[Rumors]

I don't hear any similiarities between the two songs. I can see why Pop has given Never Again a small bullet back. When you hear the rest of her songs, this is by far the best track.

[singingsparrow]

With the way modern music has ran itself dry in using all the same chords, chord progressions, musical notations, etc. tirelessly and such, it'll be no surprise to perceive similarities between songs all the time and make such comparisons.

Truly, most artists today depend heavily on their musical influences growing up, so their own recordings will obviously be peppered with the familiar sounds of their idols. With Kelly Clarkson you hear smidgens of 90's alternative. With Rob Thomas you hear smidgens of Foreigner. With Green Day you hear smidgens of 80's punk and The Who. And so on.

So I certainly wouldn't be surprised that some might perceive such similarities, though I wouldn't myself rush to conclude they sound strikingly alike.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

[atlantaboy]

singingsparrow said:

With the way modern music has ran itself dry in using all the same chords, chord progressions, musical notations, etc. tirelessly and such, it'll be no surprise to perceive similarities between songs all the time and make such comparisons.

Truly, most artists today depend heavily on their musical influences growing up, so their own recordings will obviously be peppered with the familiar sounds of their idols. With Kelly Clarkson you hear smidgens of 90's alternative. With Rob Thomas you hear smidgens of Foreigner. With Green Day you hear smidgens of 80's punk and The Who. And so on.

So I certainly wouldn't be surprised that some might perceive such similarities, though I wouldn't myself rush to conclude they sound strikingly alike.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

The only difference is that Kelly doesn't write her songs!! :) Also, I think the "angry female" style is becoming old and that's why "Never Again" isn't doing so well - it started w/ Alanis, and got picked up a bit by Pink and later Michelle Branch - K. C. did a good job with it on her last CD, but almost all the songs had an angry bitter tone to them, which I think has "run its course"

[singingsparrow]

atlantaboy said:

singingsparrow said:

With the way modern music has ran itself dry in using all the same chords, chord progressions, musical notations, etc. tirelessly and such, it'll be no surprise to perceive similarities between songs all the time and make such comparisons.

Truly, most artists today depend heavily on their musical influences growing up, so their own recordings will obviously be peppered with the familiar sounds of their idols. With Kelly Clarkson you hear smidgens of 90's alternative. With Rob Thomas you hear smidgens of Foreigner. With Green Day you hear smidgens of 80's punk and The Who. And so on.

So I certainly wouldn't be surprised that some might perceive such similarities, though I wouldn't myself rush to conclude they sound strikingly alike.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

The only difference is that Kelly doesn't write her songs!! :) Also, I think the "angry female" style is becoming old and that's why "Never Again" isn't doing so well - it started w/ Alanis, and got picked up a bit by Pink and later Michelle Branch - K. C. did a good job with it on her last CD, but almost all the songs had an angry bitter tone to them, which I think has "run its course"

In previous eras Kelly Clarkson didn't write her own material, but she actually co-wrote many of the songs for "My December", including writing the second single "Sober" herself.

Also, I think certain sounds and appeal often fluctuate. That "angry female style" you refer to may not be as widespread as it was in the mid-90's, yet you also have to consider why, for instance, "U + Ur Hand" became a chart-topping hit at Mainstream Top 40, which is about as rebellious lyrically as Pink has ever gotten, even moreso than on "Don't Let Me Get Me" or "Just Like A Pill".

I remember many originally thinking "Since U Been Gone" would do alright on the charts as a follow-up to "Breakaway", but that it would have far less staying power than "Breakaway", with some I remember even thinking it would pull a "Low" on the charts. Yet it became an even bigger hit than "Breakaway" of course, and "Breneath These Hazel Eyes" had no problem duplicating her more aggressive sounding hit-making ability.

So it's certainly still there, even if it's not the current zeitgeist.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

[atlantaboy]

singingsparrow said:

atlantaboy said:

The only difference is that Kelly doesn't write her songs!! :) Also, I think the "angry female" style is becoming old and that's why "Never Again" isn't doing so well - it started w/ Alanis, and got picked up a bit by Pink and later Michelle Branch - K. C. did a good job with it on her last CD, but almost all the songs had an angry bitter tone to them, which I think has "run its course"

I remember many originally thinking "Since U Been Gone" would do alright on the charts as a follow-up to "Breakaway", but that it would have far less staying power than "Breakaway", with some I remember even thinking it would pull a "Low" on the charts. Yet it became an even bigger hit than "Breakaway" of course, and "Breneath These Hazel Eyes" had no problem duplicating her more aggressive sounding hit-making ability.

So it's certainly still there, even if it's not the current zeitgeist.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

I think it was during the "Since U Been Gone" and "Behind These Hazel Eyes" period that the angry female style peaked -

Now, I think listeners want something different - "U + Ur Hand" is a good example, though - but the style of the song IMO is completely different from the angry Kelly Clarkson/angry Avril Lavigne/Alanis sounds of the past

As far as K. C. writing her own songs - I think the mistake speaks for itself:)

[thirddegree50123]

Going back to the original purpose of this thread, I hear you crazyfun1. It's most noticeable during the second verse. I listened to NA and TIHAHB both back to back this morning and the similarities are definitely there. It's not enough for me to say it's a ripoff though. Certainly not as bad as Akon stealing the Ignition Remix chorus.

I've noticed another one of these things lately too. I think Avril ripped herself off with "When Youre Gone." I think the verses are a lot like "My Happy Ending"'s. Especially when she says "I love the things that you do." It's exactly the same as the "all the s%$# that you do" line in MHE. I don't really like either song and the lyrics are awful in both. Also, in Collective Soul's "Hollywood," the music is basically the same as "Soak Up The Sun"'s. These things happen all the time and it's really annoying when they do.

[Acid Eyes]

Didn't Kelly co-write all the songs on MD?