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Post by Gary on Dec 20, 2016 14:28:26 GMT -5
There is the "rock" criteria and the "influence" criteria. It does not matter at all what I call "rock", it does not matter what music you call "rock", what matters is the voting panel and how they define "rock n roll"
Without a clear-cut way to define influence. (Easier with the earlier country and R&B acts as rock was developing.) The voting panel has to be convinced that pop ballads and dance tracks qualify as "rock". Until then, it is going to be a hard road for that type of music.
With the recent inductions we are seeing what the best of early 90s rock has to offer, which isn't much. This is why we are probably seeing previously overlooked 70s/80s bands starting to get attention
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 20, 2016 14:37:44 GMT -5
The "rock" argument isn't a sweeping one, though, but more a case-by-case basis.
Not sure why voters keep giving Chic the shaft.
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Post by Gary on Dec 20, 2016 14:39:33 GMT -5
It is a sweeping one, in the sense that it falls into "what do he voters think it is". Obviously, this definition evolves and changes over time and is different with each person, likely even different among the "experts" in the panel.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 20, 2016 14:50:04 GMT -5
What I mean is, one can argue that such-and-such is more "rock" than another, whether in music, influence or approach to his craft. Voters surely may differ, though, on their viewpoints in regard to all of those things.
After Heart and Joan Jett were inducted in recent years, there were no rock/pop-rock females on the ballot this year. Pat Benatar must get her due at some point. Heck, maybe Journey's induction also will help her get noticed, too(as someone who's never been a big critical hit).
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Post by Gary on Dec 20, 2016 15:13:38 GMT -5
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Remains Narrow in 'Rock' Definition With List of 2017 Inductees News By Andrew Unterberger | December 20, 2016 7:57 AM EST
On Tuesday (Dec. 20), the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame revealed the list of artists to be included in its 32nd class of inductees -- and in doing so, will likely set off another round of debates about the true definition of "rock and roll," and whether or not the Hall should consider extending theirs. Of the six artists to be inducted, only two of them fall outside the genre's traditional meaning: Joan Baez, the folk singer-songwriter who feels a part of the rock world due to her early connection to Bob Dylan and prominent covers of artists like The Band and The Beatles, and Tupac Shakur, the rapper whose incendiary antics, premature death and lasting cultural iconicity arguably made him hip-hop's greatest rock star.
Otherwise, it's a diverse list of rock artists that nonetheless mostly fall into conventional groupings for the Rock Hall: The alternative hitmakers that stuck around long enough to become classic rock (Pearl Jam), the progressive noodlers whose artiness managed to not completely overwhelm their commercial appeal (Yes), the visionary musical maestros who translated a singular sound into both AM and FM gold (Electric Light Orchestra) and the populist arena-rockers whose songs will live on at bars and karaoke nights forever (Journey). Last year, you could've fit honorees Cheap Trick, Deep Purple, Chicago and Steve Miller Band into those four respective categories with a minimum of wiggling, and of course saved Tupac's spot for final inductee N.W.A.
If any of those 2017 names are surprising or indicative of evolving trends at the Rock Hall, it's probably the last one: Journey was absolute anathema to tastemakers and rock snobs for the entirety of their commercial peak, dismissed as overblown cheese-rock indicative of the genre's bloated stagnation. But their songs have outlived their critical reputation, and their repertoire of lighter-wavers is understood by the next generation to be without equal among their peers: 1981 hit "Don't Stop Believin'" in particular has soundtracked countless movies, TV shows and sporting events since its 21st-century resuscitation, and actually has the most Spotify streams of any track from the 20th century. Clearly in this era -- where fan vote even helps determine the final list of honorees -- the combination of traditional rock musical signifiers plus extended cultural endurance holds more sway for an act's chances than their contemporary reviews.
But as is often the case, the list of inductees this year isn't as telling as the list of those left out. With more acts from the late '70s and early '80s nominated every year, we're forever threatening to reach a tipping point on the Rock Hall where the list of dance- and electronic-based artists becomes too powerful to be denied. It won't come in 2017, however: Electronic pioneers Kraftwerk were again snubbed, as were synth-pop standard-bearers Depeche Mode and even dance-pop megastar Janet Jackson. All three acts undoubtedly have the catalogs and modern-day influence to merit inclusion, but their "Rock and Roll" qualifications require a little squinting to make out, and so they'll likely have to wait until the Steve Perrys and Jeff Lynnes of the world have all gotten past the velvet rope before they get to enter themselves. And speaking of waiting your turn: After a jaw-dropping 11th year (including the last 10 years in a row) of Chic being nominated and not inducted, the Rock Hall seems to finally be taking pity on bandleader Nile Rodgers. Though Chic was once again turned away at the door, the singular funk and disco trailblazer -- who also served as a massively influential writer and producer through his work with Hall of Famers like Diana Ross, David Bowie and Madonna, right up to current dance powerhouses Daft Punk and Avicii -- is slated to receive the Award for Musical Excellence, given to artists who "have spent their careers out of the spotlight working with major artists on various parts of their recording and live careers." Though it'll undoubtedly be a mixed blessing for Rodgers to be honored without the rest of his epochal group, it at least seems to show the Hall recognizing the deserved outcry surrounding Chic's repeated exclusion, and a sort of implied plea for continued patience until they can catch up to changing trends within their own voting.
It's a nice gesture, but it might not be enough. In a year where the music industry's other most infamously lagging-behind-the-times institution managed to finally drag itself into modern times with its list of nominees, it's not the best look for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame to still be clinging to its traditional standards quite so tightly. As contemporary music continues to shift its center away from guitars and as the list of newly eligible rock legends shrinks with every passing year, the Rock Hall will need to give strong consideration to finding ways to loosen its parameters, lest it lose all sense of vitality and become a museum in the realest sense. Until then, they'll just have to hope that rock true-believers continue to hold on to that feeling for one more year.
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Post by Gary on Dec 20, 2016 15:20:17 GMT -5
Nile Rodgers Reflects on Another Rock Hall Rejection for Chic & His 'Bittersweet' Individual Award
Nile Rodgers is "obviously happy, obviously humbled" to be receiving an Award For Musical Excellence at next year's 32nd Annual Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony. But he's also "perplexed" and "ambivalent."
The honor -- most recently presented to Ringo Starr in 2015 -- comes to Rodgers after his band Chic failed for an 11th time to be voted into the Rock Hall. And the disparity has left him unsure of exactly how to feel about the award.
"I'm more shocked than anybody right now," Rodgers, who's in the midst of mixing a new album for Blondie, tells Billboard. "I'm blown over because I didn't expect to be singled out of Chic. So that's weird right away. It's just weird for me to be picked out of Chic and say, 'Nile, you belong in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but those other guys...' Of course I am flattered and honored like crazy, but it's sort of bittersweet for me because of all the things I've done that I'm exceptionally proud of, I'm really proud of Chic."
Rodgers, of course, is receiving his award for his collaborative work as a producer, writer and guest performer with the likes of David Bowie, Diana Ross, Duran Duran, Keith Urban and scores of others -- right up to the Daft Punk smash "Get Lucky" in 2013 and his current single with Christina Aguilera, "Telepathy." But he contends that his own accomplishments cannot be separated from Chic.
"I've done a lot of great work, but I wouldn't have done any of that stuff if it weren't for Chic," Rodgers explains. "That's the springboard for any of the stuff I"ve done. David Bowie's knowledge of me came because of Chic. I don't think he said, 'I wanna work with Nile Rodgers because of what he did with Diana Ross...' I really do believe, and I'm not trying to brag, but we were that band to other bands. Musicians don't lie. We know who we influenced and who heard Chic and loved it and picked up things from us to use themselves."
So what Rodgers wants most is for Chic -- which is planning to release a new album, It's About Time, during 2017 -- to get another shot at getting voted into the Rock Hall. "I would be beyond thrilled if Chic got nominated again next year, a 12th time," he says. "Chic is still Chic. We had the No. 1 selling record for Atlantic Records for 37 years. We had a single ('Good Times') that went No. 1 three times. I think there should be some kind of standard that is applied across the board. I mean, if you're a baseball player and you hit .300 every year, you know you are automatically going into the Hall of Fame, period, end of story. So I think there's got to be some sort of measurable thing that's applied here, too."
Rodgers acknowledges that some view Chic as a disco band, and therefore not rock and roll, but he's quick to dismiss that bias. "We started out as your basic rock and roll/blues band. It was only after we couldn't get a deal with our original rock songs that we finally wrote our very first dance record, and that got us a deal," Rodgers recalls. "I lived in a world that was just considered rock 'n' roll for a very, very long time, and it was through pure frustration that we changed our style of writing because we couldn't get a record deal. But to me rock and roll is a state of mind, and that doesn't change. You just get better and more open to other things."
Don't expect Rodgers to get too caught up in championing Chic over himself on April 7 at the Barclays Center, however. "I'm not that guy. That's not my personality," he says. "I'm not a person who feels like it's my responsibility to disrupt whatever decorum an institution has because of my personal opinion. It's like, 'Hey, if you don't think that we belong, I guess we don't belong. I'm fine with that.' But I just feel a little weird that Chic doesn't belong, but I do? Like, how do we get to that conclusion?"
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Post by Caviar on Dec 20, 2016 16:04:15 GMT -5
Dr. Dre will certainly be nominated. MJB has a strong chance along with TLC.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Dec 20, 2016 16:44:24 GMT -5
Dr. Dre and Stone Temple Pilots seem like the locks for next year though am rooting for TLC & Mary J. I don't see either easily making it in automatically or that quickly yet.
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Post by Nick on Dec 20, 2016 18:24:34 GMT -5
Journey's induction could boost the chances somewhat for acts like Foreigner, Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, etc. You'd think. I thought after Joan Jett and Heart got in, Pat Benatar would easily get a nom.....but no, let's induct the boring Joan Baez. Oh, the F*ckery continues.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 20, 2016 19:36:49 GMT -5
Would be surprising if MJB or TLC were nominated in their first year of eligibility. Females nominated in their first year of eligibility are pretty rare (only two- Madonna and Janis Joplin- were nominated and in turn inducted in their first year of eligibility). On a related note, mixed-gender groups The Pretenders and Talking Heads were inducted in their first year of eligibility.
Dre, could surely see him making the ballot next year. Not sure about STP. PJ Harvey should be, based on acclaim, but that's not the only factor.
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Post by Landmarx on Dec 21, 2016 1:08:56 GMT -5
LMAO at them not including Radiohead or Beck in that list, both of whom are also eligible next year.
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Post by Landmarx on Dec 21, 2016 1:26:26 GMT -5
Here's what we're looking at as far as new eligibles the next several years -
2017: Arrested Development, Beck, Brian McKnight, Dixie Chicks, Dr. Dre, Hootie & The Blowfish, Jamiroquai, Mary J. Blige, No Doubt, R. Kelly, Radiohead, Rage Against The Machine, Stone Temple Pilots, Sublime, Suede, SWV, TLC, Tool, The Verve, Wallflowers
2018: Blink-182, Built To Spill, Collective Soul, Counting Crows, Dave Matthews Band, Jeff Buckley, KRS-One, Liz Phair, Outkast, Raekwon, Rancid, The Roots, Shania Twain, Sheryl Crow, Snoop Dogg, Toni Braxton, Wu-Tang Clan
2019: Aaliyah, Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, Bush, Cake, Daft Punk, Elliott Smith, The Fugees, Korn, Marilyn Manson, Nas, The Notorious B.I.G., Oasis, Portishead, Sleater-Kinney, Supergrass, Tricky, Usher, Weezer
2020: Backstreet Boys, The Chemical Brothers, D'Angelo, Deftones, Enrique Iglesias, Foo Fighters, Garbage, Incubus, Jars Of Clay, Jay-Z, Jewel, Jurassic 5, Michael Bublé, Rafael Saadiq, Rammstein, Robyn, Super Furry Animals, Wilco
2021: Basemant Jaxx, Belle & Sebastian, Eminem, Fatboy Slim, Fiona Apple, Fountains Of Wayne, Ghostface Killah, The Hives, Matchbox Twenty, Maxwell, Modest Mouse, Nada Surf, Neutral Milk Hotel, Nickelback, Patty Griffin, Reel Big Fish, Shakira, Spice Girls, Spoon
2022: Badly Drawn Boy, Buena Vista Social Club, Erykah Badu, Five For Fighting, Missy Elliott, Puff Daddy, Sigur Ros, Slipknot, String Cheese Incident, Third Eye Blind, Timbaland, Travis, Will Smith, Wyclef Jean
2023: And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead, Black Eyed Peas, Bonnie "Prince" Billy, Bright Eyes, Britney Spears, Coldplay, Destiny's Child, Dropkick Murphys, Evanescence, Imogen Heap, Lauryn Hill, Muse, 'N Sync, Queens Of The Stone Age, Rob Zombie, Rufus Wainwright, System Of A Down, Train
2024: 50 Cent, Christina Aguilera, Death Cab For Cutie, Eve, Feist, Godsmack, Gym Class Heroes, Jennifer Lopez, John Mayer, Lil Wayne, M. Ward, My Morning Jacket, Ray LaMontagne, Rilo Kiley, Tegan & Sara, The White Stripes
2025: Andrew W.K., Antony & The Johnsons, The Avett Brothers, Brandi Carlile, Dashboard Confessional, DeVotchKa, Disturbed, Good Charlotte, Interpol, Kelis, The Knife, Linkin Park, Michelle Branch, Nelly, The New Pornographers, OK Go, Phoenix, P!nk, Plain White T's, Ryan Adams, Sufjan Stevens
2026: Alicia Keys, Avenged Sevenfold, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, Broken Social Scene, Cut Copy, Damien Rice, David Guetta, Gorillaz, India.Arie, Jack Johnson, Josh Groban, Mastodon, Miranda Lambert, N.E.R.D., The National, Nelly Furtado, Norah Jones, Pete Yorn, The Polyphonic Spree, Regina Spektor, Rise Against, Sharon Jones & The Dap-Kings, The Shins, The Strokes, Tenacious D, The Vines, Yellowcard
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 21, 2016 10:33:37 GMT -5
TLC? No. Left Eye had the only talent in the group. The other 2 can barely sing.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 21, 2016 10:36:25 GMT -5
LMAO at them not including Radiohead or Beck in that list, both of whom are also eligible next year. Or the Dixie Chicks. They write their own music and they can sing.
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Post by Caviar on Dec 21, 2016 11:57:34 GMT -5
TLC is the biggest girl group period. So it's not unthinkable to assume they could be nominated.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 21, 2016 12:46:33 GMT -5
Radiohead should be a shoo-in for first-year nomination/induction.
Going back to PJ Harvey and how acclaim alone probably isn't enough- same goes for acts like The Smiths and Kraftwerk.
Caviar- you mean of the last 20-odd years, yes? The trio has the best-selling album for a female group, that much is true. But, for me, I'd nominate/recognize an act like Salt-N-Pepa before TLC (though I think both are deserving of recognition).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 13:04:42 GMT -5
Here's what we're looking at as far as new eligibles the next several years - 2017: Arrested Development, Beck, Brian McKnight, Dixie Chicks, Dr. Dre, Hootie & The Blowfish, Jamiroquai, Mary J. Blige, No Doubt, R. Kelly, Radiohead, Rage Against The Machine, Stone Temple Pilots, Sublime, Suede, SWV, TLC, Tool, The Verve, Wallflowers 2018: Blink-182, Built To Spill, Collective Soul, Counting Crows, Dave Matthews Band, Jeff Buckley, KRS-One, Liz Phair, Outkast, Raekwon, Rancid, The Roots, Shania Twain, Sheryl Crow, Snoop Dogg, Toni Braxton, Wu-Tang Clan 2019: Aaliyah, Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, Bush, Cake, Daft Punk, Elliott Smith, The Fugees, Korn, Marilyn Manson, Nas, The Notorious B.I.G., Oasis, Portishead, Sleater-Kinney, Supergrass, Tricky, Usher, Weezer 2020: Backstreet Boys, The Chemical Brothers, D'Angelo, Deftones, Enrique Iglesias, Foo Fighters, Garbage, Incubus, Jars Of Clay, Jay-Z, Jewel, Jurassic 5, Michael Bublé, Rafael Saadiq, Rammstein, Robyn, Super Furry Animals, Wilco 2021: Basemant Jaxx, Belle & Sebastian, Eminem, Fatboy Slim, Fiona Apple, Fountains Of Wayne, Ghostface Killah, The Hives, Matchbox Twenty, Maxwell, Modest Mouse, Nada Surf, Neutral Milk Hotel, Nickelback, Patty Griffin, Reel Big Fish, Shakira, Spice Girls, Spoon 2022: Badly Drawn Boy, Buena Vista Social Club, Erykah Badu, Five For Fighting, Missy Elliott, Puff Daddy, Sigur Ros, Slipknot, String Cheese Incident, Third Eye Blind, Timbaland, Travis, Will Smith, Wyclef Jean 2023: And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead, Black Eyed Peas, Bonnie "Prince" Billy, Bright Eyes, Britney Spears, Coldplay, Destiny's Child, Dropkick Murphys, Evanescence, Imogen Heap, Lauryn Hill, Muse, 'N Sync, Queens Of The Stone Age, Rob Zombie, Rufus Wainwright, System Of A Down, Train 2024: 50 Cent, Christina Aguilera, Death Cab For Cutie, Eve, Feist, Godsmack, Gym Class Heroes, Jennifer Lopez, John Mayer, Lil Wayne, M. Ward, My Morning Jacket, Ray LaMontagne, Rilo Kiley, Tegan & Sara, The White Stripes 2025: Andrew W.K., Antony & The Johnsons, The Avett Brothers, Brandi Carlile, Dashboard Confessional, DeVotchKa, Disturbed, Good Charlotte, Interpol, Kelis, The Knife, Linkin Park, Michelle Branch, Nelly, The New Pornographers, OK Go, Phoenix, P!nk, Plain White T's, Ryan Adams, Sufjan Stevens 2026: Alicia Keys, Avenged Sevenfold, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, Broken Social Scene, Cut Copy, Damien Rice, David Guetta, Gorillaz, India.Arie, Jack Johnson, Josh Groban, Mastodon, Miranda Lambert, N.E.R.D., The National, Nelly Furtado, Norah Jones, Pete Yorn, The Polyphonic Spree, Regina Spektor, Rise Against, Sharon Jones & The Dap-Kings, The Shins, The Strokes, Tenacious D, The Vines, Yellowcard Looking at this it'll certainly be..interesting to see how the next couple of decades go. Anyone know which artists were inducted via fan-vote since 2012?
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 21, 2016 13:59:36 GMT -5
^Technically, none. The results of fan voting count as one ballot, so it's not like fans are outright choosing an inductee.
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Post by DJ General on Dec 22, 2016 13:11:22 GMT -5
Dr. Dre, Dave Matthews Band, OutKast, Foo Fighters, Eminem
those all look to be big picks in the next couple of years. Surely all of them will get in at some point
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Apr 9, 2017 14:02:46 GMT -5
Pat Benatar, Andrew? www.billboard.com/articles/news/7752430/rock-roll-hall-of-fame-women-female-carole-king-bjork10 Female Artists Who Should Be In the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (And 5 Who Might Come Next)4/7/2017 by Andrew Unterberger It's been 30 years since Aretha Franklin was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, becoming the first (and then only) female artist among the 25 acts enshrined in the Cleveland museum. Three decades later, women have become a more regular presence within the Hall of Fame, but not by much: In the last five classes, only five female or female-fronted acts have been inducted, and not since 2013 has more than one of them been recognized in the same ceremony. The lack of gender balance was conspicuous enough that upon being inducted in 2016, Steve Miller -- one of the five all-male acts being honored -- openly called out the museum's governing body for the disparity, pointedly encouraging them to "keep expanding your vision, to be more inclusive of women.” The returns for 2017 have hardly been overwhelming: Folk legend Joan Baez will be inducted this Friday (Apr. 6), but Janet Jackson and Chaka Khan -- both having been nominated for the second time -- will not be. Who are the perennially passed-over women most deserving of Rock Hall induction? Let's take a look at ten eligible female or female-fronted acts who've already done more than enough to be worthy of induction, and then peer into the future to see which soon-to-be eligible female artists may have a shot at induction over the years to come. SHOULD BE IN BY NOW:1. Carole King. It seems near-impossible that Carole King, one of the most influential recording artists of the '70s and the woman behind Tapestry, one of the decade's most critically and commercially undeniable blockbuster LPs, could have escaped induction by now. But while the iconic singer-songwriter has been honored for the "songwriter" half of her double-billing, having been inducted along with her Brill Building teammate Gerry Goffin back in 1990, her performing career has gone unrecognized. Yes, Tapestry towers over the rest of her catalogue, but it's not like most post-Baby Boomers could name a James Taylor album not called Sweet Baby James either, and that guy got in 17 years ago. 2. Bjork. "But didn't Debut come out in 1993?" you might wonder. True, but despite that breakthrough album's title, Bjork's proper debut came back in 1977, when she released a self-titled album in Iceland as an 11-year-old -- making her Hall-eligible for well over a decade already. Though Bjork's artistic achievements have never resulted in world-beating sales, and her symphonic pop compositions are not easily classifiable as rock (or as anything else), her singular artistry, universal acclaim and enduring influence on the ensuing generation's best and brightest musicians should certainly have earned her a nomination by now. 3. Nina Simone. Another musician without true peer or parallel, Nina Simone has seemed to exist on her own separate musical timeline; perhaps that's why she's escaped the Rock Hall's notice for the duration of its existence. Nonetheless, she remains a permanent presence on the rock and pop landscape, whether being covered by Muse, sampled by Kanye West, or invoked by Lauryn Hill. Just look at the sea of linked names under the "Legacy and Influence" section of her Wikipedia page and try to come up with a logical explanation why she should continue to be shut out from Cleveland. 4. Kate Bush. Like Bjork, Kate Bush is an inspirational art-pop maestro for whom the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame feels almost too small to contain, but who nonetheless would almost certainly have been inducted by now if we shipped the Rock Hall across the pond. Her U.S. presence never quite approached her chart-topping impact oversees -- "Running Up That Hill" remains her only top 40 hit on the Billboard Hot 100 -- but her stateside influence was still considerable; even the late 2Pac, one of this year's inductees, was an avowed listener. 5. Kim Gordon / Sonic Youth. One of the most important and consistently brilliant alternative rock bands of the '80s and '90s -- albeit one that never maintained a regular radio presence -- Sonic Youth seem destined to receive Rock Hall recognition only well after scores of more popular bands that they influenced get in. While singer/guitarist Thurston Moore will likely go down as the band's primary sonic architect, there's no question that the group's greatest cultural thumbprint belongs to bassist Kim Gordon -- who wrote and sang lead on several of the band's greatest songs, who proved an icon in the art and fashion worlds, and whose tribulations in the industry inspired her Girl in a Band memoir, which Billboard named one of the 100 greatest music books of all time. 6. Whitney Houston. Un-"rock" enough that discussion of her Hall of Fame candidacy invariably inspires all sorts of debate about what the museum's name even means in the first place. But as definitions shift and the Hall invariably comes to represent the Rock Era more than straight-up Rock Music (or risks becoming fossilized in the decades to come) Whitney Houston will undoubtedly receive posthumous consideration, as one of the greatest pop and R&B stars -- and very possibly the greatest singer -- of her generation. If you're unconvinced, just ask Aretha what she thinks. 7. Dolly Parton. And as long as we're opening the doors for Whitney, we may as well say hello to Dolly, too. The lack of Rock Hall attention given to Dolly Parton has been extended to any number of the great ladies of country -- Patsy Cline, Loretta Lynn, Emmylou Harris -- and a number of the men, too. But as a presence so pervasive in all corners of musical and popular culture for a full half-century now, it seems especially egregious that Parton should continue being snubbed; maybe she just needs to do an entire album of Zeppelin covers. 8. Courtney Love / Hole. This one should be a virtual no-brainer, as Hole frontwoman Courtney Love fits all the best and worst parts of the rock star archetype that the Hall of Fame so often seems to treasure. But decades of being saddled with artistically unfair and explicitly sexist narratives have weighed down Hole's oft-transcendent '90s work, and Love's distaste for politicking within the industry may leave her outside the voting body's good graces for some time to come. Some will likely point to the group's scant overall discography as excuse for their exclusion, but Mr. Love's band hardly left behind an entire Columbia Record Club's worth of titles either. 9. The Go-Go's. Arguably worthy of inclusion strictly on historical merit, as their 1981 Beauty and the Beat debut album made them the first all-female group to top the Billboard 200 albums chart while writing and performing all their own music. But just as importantly, that album friggin' rips -- The Go-Go's were responsible for a handful of the absolute best pop/rock songs that the '80s had to offer, as well as some of the music videos that helped define MTV in its formative years. That the group spun successful solo careers off for leaders Belinda Carlisle and Jane Wiedlin is just a bonus. 10. Janet Jackson. Ms. Jackson's even been close enough to get nominated twice, but still was pushed aside in favor of several acts with just a fraction of her commercial and artistic success, or her cultural influence or resonance. Hell, you can't even really use the genre qualifier against Janet, since "If" and "Black Cat" rock much harder than many songs you'll hear performed at an average induction ceremony. She'll get in eventually. (And for the record, Chaka should be in here, too.) COULD GET IN NEXT:1. Sheryl Crow (Eligible 2018). Sheryl Crow's musical influence would hardly rate as seismic, but she's universally liked, she has an impressive back catalog of hit albums and singles, and she generally fits the model: writing her own songs, playing a bunch of her own instruments, paying fealty to her predecessors and coming off like a star no matter how many copies her records sell. As the number of big names that fit that description begin to dwindle, Sheryl seems like a safe bet to get in sooner or later -- safer than more critically renowned but less household-recognizable alt-rock solo artists like Liz Phair or PJ Harvey, even. 2. Lauryn Hill / The Fugees (Eligible 2019). The Fugees will be an interesting test case for just how much the Rock Hall wants to embrace hip-hop as the years progress -- no rap album was safer for high-minded rock fans to wrap their arms around in the mid-'90s than the trio's multi-platinum The Score, but considering the group never followed it up, they might not be able to ensure entry collectively. If not, Lauryn Hill will have to wait four years until her solo eligibility comes up with the rapturously acclaimed Miseducation of Lauryn Hill album -- though given her inability to follow that album, she may be stuck in solo/group Rock Hall limbo. Maybe just induct her solo in two years along with The Fugees and be done with it. 3. Fiona Apple (Eligible 2021). One of the most critically admired artists of the last two decades, and one with enough commercial clout (largely thanks to her MTV-conquering 1996 debut Tidal) for name recognition not to be an issue. Fiona Apple's lack of media gladhanding and general reticence to near the spotlight in recent years may hurt her with older voters less enraptured with her eccentricities, but as a voting generation that grew up with her brilliance unquestioned comes of age, you have to think she'll see induction in time. Looking forward to the acceptance speech already. 4. Missy Elliott (Eligible 2022). A rock star in hip-hop clothing; Missy Elliott was as bad as they came around the turn of the millennium, a distinctly right-brained musical genius who became a superstar in oversized garbage bags and Motorhead t-shirts. She was as otherworldly as Bjork, but somehow remained recognizable enough to take over American airwaves. She'd seem absurdly out of place at a Rock Hall induction, but we loved her because she never seemed to fit in anywhere but her own music videos. 5. Destiny's Child (Eligible 2023). Fifteen years ago, the idea of Destiny's Child as a Rock Hall contender would've seemed preposterous -- but not nearly as much so as lead singer Beyonce becoming the most critically acclaimed artist of her generation. The latter has almost certainly happened, and it wouldn't be surprising if the former did as well: Destiny's Child are rivaled only by TLC as the most beloved girl group of the past quarter-century, and as Beyonce's esteem only continues to grow, so does her original group's stature. It's already been a decade since the last girl group (The Ronettes) was welcomed to the Hall; it seems right that DC should be the first modern group to extend the tradition.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 3, 2017 20:08:30 GMT -5
^ So many artists missing from those groups, particularly when DC is mentioned.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on May 22, 2017 12:12:42 GMT -5
2017 folks: futurerocklegends.com/year.php?eligible_year=20174 Non Blondes Ace of Base Anathema Annie Lennox Arc Angels Arrested Development Billy Ray Cyrus Black 47 Blind Melon Body Count The Bottle Rockets Brian McKnight Buckethead Buju Banton Charlie Wilson Common Cracker David Gray Dixie Chicks Dr. Dre Eva Cassidy Fear Factory Free Kitten The Gathering The Heights Hootie & The Blowfish House of Pain Jade Jamiroquai Jeremy Jordan Joe Public Jon Spencer Blues Explosion Juliana Hatfield Kris Kross Lagwagon Lambchop Lifetime Luna Martha Wash Martina McBride Mary J. Blige Morphine Moxy Früvous No Doubt The Pharcyde Pragha Khan Praxis R. Kelly Radiohead Rage Against the Machine Red House Painters Reverend Horton Heat Shadow Gallery Shai Shawn Mullins Silk Sophie B. Hawkins Stabbing Westward Stone Temple Pilots Sublime Suede Sugar The Supersuckers SWV Take That Tasmin Archer Tim McGraw TLC Tool Vanessa Daou Vertical Horizon The Verve The Verve Pipe Wallflowers Wu-Tang Clan Wynonna Judd
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Post by jenglisbe on May 22, 2017 12:26:02 GMT -5
Shai!!!
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Post by Caviar on May 22, 2017 13:33:52 GMT -5
Jade!
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 22, 2017 13:52:53 GMT -5
^First-year-eligible nominees, for sure. ;)
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Post by jenglisbe on May 22, 2017 15:05:09 GMT -5
I prefer "Don't Walk Away" to any song the Sex Pistols did. Radiohead are surefire entrants from this new class.
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Post by Caviar on May 22, 2017 15:17:09 GMT -5
I prefer "Don't Walk Away" to any song the Sex Pistols did. Radiohead are surefire entrants from this new class. I think we can likely agree Jade isn't getting in their first year. Who else do you think will be nominated out of this bunch this year?
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Post by jenglisbe on May 22, 2017 16:33:37 GMT -5
I prefer "Don't Walk Away" to any song the Sex Pistols did. Radiohead are surefire entrants from this new class. I think we can likely agree Jade isn't getting in their first year. Who else do you think will be nominated out of this bunch this year? Well, besides not having much of a legacy, Jade is an R&B group and the Hall of Fame is pretty closed toward R&B that isn't 60s/70s R&B like Stevie Wonder or Gladys Knight. Anyway, of the newbies I think these will make it in at some point: Dr. Dre Radiohead Stone Temple Pilots Annie Lennox, No Doubt, Rage Against the Machine, and Wu-Tang Clan have an outside shot.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on May 25, 2017 22:26:24 GMT -5
Nominations for Billy Ray Cyrus and 4 Non Blondes or else their credibility is shot, imo.
(But actually I fucking love 4 Non Blondes)
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