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Post by joey2002 on Dec 5, 2012 2:44:23 GMT -5
Dear Taylor, why can't all your songs be like this one? Gosh I love this song. Reminds of the "old" (LOL!) Taylor. I love the fiddle part. I love the line about pulling out the chair and not knowing how nice that is. I love the line about going to bring up her old love but then getting into the conversation about what movies are watched at Christmas. I love the part about all love does is "break and burn and end" and then watching it "begin again". *sigh* Based on what other people are commenting about the album Red, I'm not so sure I am looking forward to future singles, but trying to keep an open mind. (Still trying to wipe out the memory of never ever whatever ;) ). At least listen to "All too Well." If you love this one, you'll really love that one. "All Too Well", "I Almost Do", "Stay Stay Stay", and "Come Back...Be Here" could all be decent country singles... but "Begin Again" is my favorite on the album. I really wish this would keep climbing – at least through the winter months.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2012 2:59:38 GMT -5
As long as "All Too Well" and "Everything Has Changed" are released to Country, I'll be fine. Obviously EHC should and will be a crossover hit, but I could see it doing incredibly well on Country radio. ATW is a no-brainer Country smash waiting to happen, though.
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Post by carriekins on Dec 5, 2012 9:29:49 GMT -5
Based on BA's audience gains the past couple of days... I'm going to call this Not Done. Glad to see it picking up speed. And Joey, I will check out those songs. But only since I more or less trust your judgment (Cruise aside. ;)).
PS awww, I'm a platinum member now! Tear.
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Post by Zazie on Dec 5, 2012 9:52:33 GMT -5
Based on BA's audience gains the past couple of days... I'm going to call this Not Done. Glad to see it picking up speed. And Joey, I will check out those songs. But only since I more or less trust your judgment (Cruise aside. ;)). PS awww, I'm a platinum member now! Tear. Big gain today. You can never sell Taylor short, but today's gain was the best she's had in a while so you can't be overconfident either. Congrats on your new status. Some of us always knew you were platinum from your very first post.
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Post by Cody Wants Out... on Dec 5, 2012 11:22:26 GMT -5
As long as "All Too Well" and "Everything Has Changed" are released to Country, I'll be fine. Obviously EHC should and will be a crossover hit, but I could see it doing incredibly well on Country radio. ATW is a no-brainer Country smash waiting to happen, though. I can understand "All Too Well" and definitely agree, but I don't think "Everything Has Changed" would be that good of a fit on country radio; I've always pictured the later as a pop single for next fall since it features Ed Sheeran, who's just breaking through with "The A Team" and may end up becoming a pop staple if all goes right. I could be wrong since the Rascal Flatts and Natasha duet went top 3 (against my personal wishes, tyvm), so we'll see what happens. I think "Treacherous" would do well as a country single; yeah, it doesn't sound remotely country, but it makes up for the hot mess that started the era imo.
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Post by McCreerian on Dec 5, 2012 14:00:08 GMT -5
I still think "Stay Stay Stay" will be a big hit in this era. It has the "Mean" type production and is a cute fun song. Great for Spring!
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Post by joey2002 on Dec 5, 2012 14:12:04 GMT -5
I still think "Stay Stay Stay" will be a big hit in this era. It has the "Mean" type production and is a cute fun song. Great for Spring! Agreed. I think "Stay Stay Stay" is the most 'country' sounding song on the album.
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Post by desertfloods on Dec 5, 2012 20:59:47 GMT -5
I still think "Stay Stay Stay" will be a big hit in this era. It has the "Mean" type production and is a cute fun song. Great for Spring! Stay Stay Stay needs to just stay away from being a single, imo. The production just can't make up for the cringe-worthy lyrics for me. If they are going to release All Too Well or Treacherous as a country single down the road, having Stayx3 sandwiched between those and Begin Again (all of these songs are much MUCH more mature and well-written) just feels... weird. Very confusing image for her as a songwriter, imo.
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Post by strikeleo on Dec 6, 2012 13:40:42 GMT -5
I definitely agree with you, desertfloods. I think they should present a more mature side of her with the singles (though I don't think they're aiming at that). I'd go with: - All Too Well - I Almost Do - Treacherous
and it'd be perfect. Treacherous is a little risky, since some may say it's not country, but I do see some elements here. Leave her childish side to pop radio.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Dec 6, 2012 13:48:20 GMT -5
I feel like she needs at least one single with a little more thrown in there, and if its not Stay Stay Stay perhaps Red can fill that void. I don't mind either way (though I admittedly haven't heard either song much at this point). But, I definitely wouldn't follow Begin Again with All Too Well and I Almost Do back-to-back-to-back, because that's a little too much. I love all three songs though and hope they are singles; I just think a more upbeat song needs to be wedged in there at some point, perhaps for the fourth single come next summer.
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Post by Taylor. on Dec 6, 2012 13:54:09 GMT -5
Come Back... Be Here needs to be a country single at some point as well.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Dec 6, 2012 14:36:28 GMT -5
As long as "All Too Well" gets released to country radio, I don't care what else they release.
"Treacherous" and "Come Back... Be Here" would be great choices for singles. I like "Stay Stay Stay" because of the catchiness of the song, but I still can't get over some of those cringeworthy lyrics at times... especially the line about "coming in with a football helmet and said okay let's talk," sloppy lyric writing. But since its so catchy, I wouldn't mind it getting released. Especially since all the other good choices for singles to country are slow ballads.
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Post by desertfloods on Dec 6, 2012 20:23:59 GMT -5
I feel like she needs at least one single with a little more thrown in there, and if its not Stay Stay Stay perhaps Red can fill that void. I don't mind either way (though I admittedly haven't heard either song much at this point). But, I definitely wouldn't follow Begin Again with All Too Well and I Almost Do back-to-back-to-back, because that's a little too much. I love all three songs though and hope they are singles; I just think a more upbeat song needs to be wedged in there at some point, perhaps for the fourth single come next summer. I do agree it will be too much if released back to back. That's the tricky part (for me) in choosing her country singles this era. All the good country choices are heavy ballads. There's no "Our Song" or "Ours" type of tracks on this album (i.e, good midtempo/happy songs). I guess "Red" can do the job... but I'm just not crazy about that track personally.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2012 16:16:17 GMT -5
I think this one will slip a notch, down to #15, on the next Billboard Country Airplay chart (12/22 issue). She's still gaining--up about 1 million over the last 5 days on Mediabase--but everyone else around her is doing better, and that includes Brad and Kenny. They're not exactly climbing fast again either, but their bullets are over 300 again, while Taylor's is only at 113.
Rascal Flatts and Miranda Lambert will both go recurrent on Monday, thanks to their epic freefalls, and both Luke Bryan and Jake Owen should go recurrent on the 12/29 Billboard chart. So the opportunity was there for Taylor to move up 2 spots this week, but Gary Allan's gonna pass her, and I think Jason and TBP will as well, so that'll bump her back to #15. She'll probably have about 20.5 million, which is normally good for #10 or #11...so that really illustrates the competition right now; the top 15 could all be over the 20 million mark, which is just incredible and crazy at the same time. That's certainly part of the reason we're seeing some songs fall so fast--because there are some really big songs going up about as fast as songs go up these days. Unfortunately for Taylor, it just seems like BA is getting caught up in the competition with all the big songs around her.
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Post by peterca on Dec 8, 2012 20:07:38 GMT -5
Even though overall this week has been a gain, the last 2 days have been small losses on Mediabase. At this rate, Taylor will be passed by Gary Allan, Jason and TBP come Monday. Dierks is also gaining on Taylor.
I don't think Big Machine will push this song anymore. Perhaps enjoy the success over at Pop Radio and wait until early next year to try another single on Country Radio.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Dec 9, 2012 7:53:10 GMT -5
Not surprised that this is struggling. Good song, but I think she shot herself in the foot with WANEGBT being so "out there". Still, the pop airplay and downloads will ensure that she'll be #1 on the "new" chart until Armageddon.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2012 11:52:44 GMT -5
Not surprised that this is struggling. Good song, but I think she shot herself in the foot with WANEGBT being so "out there". Still, the pop airplay and downloads will ensure that she'll be #1 on the "new" chart until Armageddon. This song isn't selling nearly as well as WANEGBT did, or as her current pop single "I Knew You Were Trouble" is. BA is still selling well (it's already gone Gold) but there's no way this one is gonna get the airplay and sales needed to hit #1 on the new chart. BA is at #20 on the chart right now, but the other artists around her on the airplay chart--Jason, TBP, Gary--are all selling even better than BA is, so they're higher on the hybrid chart. Gary's up at #10, Jason is at #15, and TBP is at #4. FGL will take over #1 on Thursday, and then I'd say either Hunter Hayes' "Wanted" or TBP's "Better Dig Two" will take over, given how well both are selling, and Hunter is crossing over to pop with that song. It's all foolish to me, of course. Just saying that Taylor's reign at #1 on the dumb chart is coming to an end.
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Post by Joe1240 on Dec 10, 2012 0:19:42 GMT -5
Actually it is a good Taylor ballad from "Red".But it doesn't measure up to her past ballads like "White Horse" or "Back To December". But it seems the focus is more on CHR/Pop this era for Taylor. I'm sure BM will try again with another country single when this is sure to be done.
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Post by Spidey on Dec 10, 2012 0:21:49 GMT -5
Where has this peaked so far?
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Post by joey2002 on Dec 10, 2012 0:33:01 GMT -5
Where has this peaked so far? #14 on Billboard airplay.
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Post by Spidey on Dec 10, 2012 0:37:47 GMT -5
Where has this peaked so far? #14 on Billboard airplay. Oh wow. I was hoping this would at least reach the top five.
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Post by someguy on Dec 10, 2012 20:41:42 GMT -5
She manages to hold on to #14. Gary and Jason passed her, but she managed to stay ahead of The Band Perry. She'll likely move up next week, with only TBP looking to pass her, but she needs to pick it up.
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Post by Living Legend on Dec 11, 2012 18:24:54 GMT -5
I'm actually happy that this is rising up slowly in country airplay instead of the rapid ascents of most of her country singles. I'd prefer for this to peak close to Valentine's Day and that would be its 20th week on the chart. This is #1 in call out for both males and females 18-34 so it would be absolutely ridiculous for this not to make it Top 5.
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Post by joey2002 on Dec 12, 2012 1:20:33 GMT -5
I noticed this had a "Christmas" reference so maybe stations for going to play it a little more for the holidays? Wishful thinking, it does feel like a winter type song though. Nice gain on Mediabase today... let's hope she can continue with more consistent gains.
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Post by jughead on Dec 12, 2012 7:17:18 GMT -5
Which single from Speak Now had the best chart run in terms of longevity? in terms of airplay/audience?
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Post by joey2002 on Dec 12, 2012 15:20:36 GMT -5
Which single from Speak Now had the best chart run in terms of longevity? in terms of airplay/audience? "Sparks Fly" and "Ours" both peaked at #1 on Billboard...
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Post by onebuffalo on Dec 12, 2012 15:56:12 GMT -5
Which single from Speak Now had the best chart run in terms of longevity? in terms of airplay/audience? "Sparks Fly" and "Ours" both peaked at #1 on Billboard... I was hoping to answer that this morning. However, I can not get access to my old Billboard Country Updates to see what was the 'best' charted run in those terms.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 17:55:33 GMT -5
Both "Sparks Fly" and "Ours" had a much slower burn rate after they had peaked, as Big Machine didn't aggressively force them to #1. The last 2 singles from the album, they both had better timing or 'windows' to #1, if you will; in other words, there weren't any mammoth songs blocking their path. The first 3 singles all got crazy pushes and did hit #1 on Mediabase but not Billboard. Those songs were all going up against bigger hits. "Mine" had stalled badly outside the top 10, then picked up steam before stalling in the top 5 again, and then suddenly it came out of nowhere with one final push. It was blocked by Darius Rucker's "Come Back Song" (shudders at how such a terrible song could spend 2 weeks at #1) but also ZBB/Alan's "As She's Walking Away" and Sugarland's "Stuck Like Glue".
"Back To December" was blocked by Brad's "This Is Country Music", Jason/Kelly's "Don't You Wanna Stay", and, to a lesser extent, Thompson Square's "Are You Gonna Kiss Me Or Not". And then "Mean" was denied by "Honey Bee". Billboard chart runs for all 5 Speak Now singles:
1) Mine
26-17-14-11-12-11-10-8-7-6-8-5-2-7-12-recurrent (15 weeks, peak at #2 on 11/13/10. It was #1 on the 11/13 Mediabase chart).
2) Back To December
57-39-26-22-19-16-13-12-12-11-9-7-7-7-7-5-3-6-11-recurrent (19 weeks, peak at #3 on 3/12/11. This was the first of 3 weeks at #1 for Jason/Kelly. BTD was #1 on the 3/12 Mediabase chart, however, with a last minute push that got it ahead of both Jason/Kelly & Brad).
3) Mean
55-33-24-19-17-17-12-12-9-8-6-5-4-4-2-2-2-6-9-recurrent (19 weeks, spent the 6/25/11, 7/2/11, & 7/9/11 charts at #2. It got a massive push to #1 on the 7/9 Mediabase chart, interrupting Blake Shelton's run with "Honey Bee". Blake was #1 on the 6/25, 7/2, 7/9, & 7/16 Billboard charts and also the 6/25, 7/2, & 7/16 Mediabase charts but Taylor cut into his run there with a typical Big Machine push).
4) Sparks Fly
49-39-31-25-23-19-17-16-14-13-13-10-10-9-7-5-3-3-1-5-10-recurrent (21 weeks, peak at #1 on 11/26/11. This was also its peak date on Mediabase).
5) Ours
56-37-28-22-22-22-21-17-13-13-12-11-9-6-5-3-1-2-5-9-recurrent (20 weeks, peak at #1 on 3/31/12. It was NOT #1 on the 3/31 Mediabase chart; rather, it got there a week later on the 4/7 Mediabase chart, as George Strait's "Love's Gonna Make It Alright" was #1 on the 3/31 Mediabase chart).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 18:40:02 GMT -5
^Not sure what you mean? Big jumps in the 2nd week are pretty common for A-list stars, which includes anyone from Taylor to Carrie, Kenny, Keith, Brad, Jason, Blake, etc.
And actually, I know the first week for "Mean"--where it was #55--was from when the album was released. "Mean" charted as an album track from unsolicited airplay but only stayed on the chart for that one week, when the album was released. Then, when "Mean" was officially released as a single months later, it re-entered the chart at #33. That one week at #55 is counted as the first week of its chart run.
The other singles all charted a little early, before their official adds dates, so that's why they all debuted low (mostly in the 50's) because only a few stations were playing them, and then when adds date hit, they all blasted up many spots in week 2.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 19:00:36 GMT -5
Nah, there wasn't anything strange about those chart runs for "Sparks Fly" and "Ours". A gain of 1.5 or 2 million can move you up 15-20 spots down in those parts of the chart. I know Jason Aldean and Luke Bryan have been having chart runs just as good or better when they were in the later 'phases' or their past albums. Carrie Underwood too. As a big star, it'd be pretty weird to not be able to jump from somewhere in the 50's into the top 40 (or very close to it) in your 2nd week, no matter if you're on the 4th or 5th single from the album.
The chart run for "Begin Again" isn't nearly as strong. It had a decent update yesterday but is flat again today and the bullet has shrunk way down to 7. I think she can finish this week at #13 on Billboard; she'll gain 2 spots from Jake and Luke going recurrent, but TBP should pass her and hold BA to a +1 move. If Big Machine plans to keep pushing this for a while, they could maybe hit the top 10 yet, but they won't have that chance until January. And from all the ads we've seen recently, it seems that the label fears BA might be near the end of its chart run and thus, they're desperately pushing stations to convert the song into higher rotation by trying to show it's doing well in some call-out reports. And to be fair, it is doing pretty well in some of them but it also has pretty high dislike numbers, just like the typical Swift single always does. Some other survey results haven't been as kind either. She's just really polarizing. I think it's that (her polarizing nature), the competition around her (huge hits by Jason & TBP, breakout hits by Gary Allan & Randy Houser, plus Brad and Kenny are in there), and the error of releasing WANEGBT all coming together to hurt BA's progress on radio.
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