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Post by esoteric76 on Dec 19, 2012 16:30:52 GMT -5
I think Janet Jackson's career was negatively affected by the Super Bowl incident for the simple fact that nearly every reference to her after that and even since then has made mention of it. It was seen as a controversial act and many Americans frowned upon it, as harmless as many of us likely think it is. When your image becomes associated with a negative act, and it reaches a point where it's synonymous like Janet + Nipplegate, the music is no longer the leading attribute attached to your name. I agree that Janet's major hitmaking days were behind her by that point but that incident was something that increased the slide. She hasn't had a major hit since then. The same with Michael Jackson. His name became synonymous with the abuse accusations up until the day he died. Except for You Are Not Alone, he didn't have a significant hit since Dangerous was released, which came out before the allegations first began. Scream was accompanied by a record-breaking video and didn't do as well as expected and his albums after failed to do anything - up until his death. The reason why Justin escaped Nipplegate was because he was able to break away from the incident. He had a good team behind him that were able to bring the focus on him to other areas. I think Chris Brown has been negatively affected as well. His album sales are decent and he does still get hits but I think he was on the verge of superstardom before his incident and his name is rarely ever mentioned without bringing up his attack and subsequent violent episodes. He has been lucky to an extent but the backlash is still there. The michael jackson stuff isn't exactly true. Nor is the Janet jackson stuff. Janet was still pumping out hits right up until the SB. So there is really no data to suggest that Janet's career was about to or would've stalled absent the SB...especially since the lead single from the album released before the SB was a record breaking single. You guys want to believe one thing but the data just doesn't support your belief. Michael jackson sold 2.5 million copies of Invincible in the US at a time when people were strugging to sell that many records. I agree with this about Janet. Look, none of Janet's albums after the SB incident were stellar, but people buy crap constantly, and she would have still had plenty of hits from those albums. Nipplegate destroyed her album sales (not her touring revenue, she can tour forever). It's really messed up because I remember the SB performance being fantastic, and there was a lot of hype around it because she had such an amazing career up to that point and this was to be a huge celebration/performance of that. But then the nipple and it was all over.
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Post by musicjunky318 on Dec 19, 2012 18:04:23 GMT -5
The quality of Janet's material already drastically declined with the All For You album (although the first two singles were strong). Her last 3 albums weren't even close to the quality of Control, Rhythm Nation, janet., and The Velvet Rope. Not to mention, by the point of the Super Bowl, she'd been in the recording industry for over 20 years and was pushing 40. You're less likely to get second chances at that point if your material isn't up to par. This is all coming from someone who is a big Janet fan. The Super Bowl was a convenient scapegoat for fans. That way they could shift the blame from the drastic decline in the quality of the music (even if you think Damita Jo was a stronger album than All For You, few consider Damita Jo to have had the stronger singles) to the Super Bowl and be able to relieve Janet of the responsibility for her own career decline. I agree with this. And by that time (2004) Beyonce was already the new "it girl." Janet was going to be on the side-lines anyway.
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Post by Almost Honest on Dec 20, 2012 0:24:57 GMT -5
Are Jewel and LeAnn examples of Public blacklash or loss of public interest. I know LeAnn was doing well until she released Twisted Angel then she hasnt really recovered since. Jewel has been on the decline since Pieces of You. But I guess it was a nail on the coffin when she released 0304. Probably a little of both. But LeAnn did have a mini-comeback on country radio with her album This Woman and with her 2007 song "Nothin' Better To Do" so I would say she did get backlash with country radio because of her personal life. Not that I agree with it considering Jason Aldean was seen making out with another woman and his songs still seem to be going strong.
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Post by allow that on Mar 24, 2015 21:36:52 GMT -5
Just came across this now. I think it's an interesting topic to bump. While Janet Jackson and Dixie Chicks remain the first two vintage examples to spring to mind, I feel we've had some new cases pop up in the two years since this thread was going around.
The first current artist to spring to mind is Iggy Azalea, whose quick rise to stardom seems to have come to a screeching halt now that backlash has set in.
On the other hand, Nicki Minaj seems to have reversed the backlash that she faced from the hip hop community during her previous era.
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Post by lyhom on Mar 24, 2015 21:51:00 GMT -5
Robin Thicke and Justin Bieber are some others who cross the mind, too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 23:53:28 GMT -5
I don't think I saw Britney's name in here yet, but her backlash and recovery was one of the most infamous displays of human indecency and subsequent repentance.
Robin Ticke's backlash was... interesring. People like to say that's why 'Give It 2 Me' bombed, but 'Blurred Lines' was massive in spite of any and all criticisms it faced. To be honest, any backlash felt relatively uneventful in the scope of his one-hit-wonder career. Justin is a more appropriate example, and one that will likely show just how important a good PR team really is all said and done.
Iggy is a shining example of the power of social media (and sensationalism). Kind of ironic that this thread could best apply to her right now and soblu was the one to make it well over two years ago. Anyway, I don't see Iggy recovering. People like to compare her situation to Ariana's debut, but they're not so similar when you consider that Ariana never faced the kind of backlash Iggy is now (or any backlash, really). Iggy was at a much higher high, which makes it all the more surprising that she's hit this low and all the more difficult for her to recover.
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on Mar 25, 2015 0:57:28 GMT -5
There was a bit of a backlash against Lady Gaga after ARTPOP came out. I think it was related more to the messiness of her image and social media presence and the music to a certain extent. It was problematic that the video for "Do What U Want" remained unreleased, but perhaps it may have done more harm had it been released. After a long time out of the mainstream spotlight, she did the Jazz duets album with Tony Bennett and that got critical acclaim, and then she really got back into the public and critics' good graces with her performance at the Oscars with her medley of songs from The Sound Of Music as a tribute to the legendary Julie Andrews, who approved of the performance. Now it remains to be seen if Gaga can make a successful comeback with her next record (I hope she can and does). On the other hand, Nicki Minaj seems to have reversed the backlash that she faced from the hip hop community during her previous era. Nicki went back to the sound and style that originally made her into a star and household name. When she went in the Dance/Pop direction with the re-release of her last album, that's when things began to go wrong. Some of the material was fun, but those who liked her for what she brought forth previously were no longer here for her. Her image had become messy, but now it's better. The material on the new record has been pretty good too. There are a few Pop tracks on the recent album but it's just a few. I don't think I saw Britney's name in here yet, but her backlash and recovery was one of the most infamous displays of human indecency and subsequent repentance. Britney never really did anything that caused the public to hate her, but sadly, there were some people who were rooting for her downfall (I was seriously scared for her). Robin Ticke's backlash was... interesring. People like to say that's why 'Give It 2 Me' bombed, but 'Blurred Lines' was massive in spite of any and all criticisms it faced. To be honest, any backlash felt relatively uneventful in the scope of his one-hit-wonder career. Justin is a more appropriate example, and one that will likely show just how important a good PR team really is all said and done. Perhaps some of the scandal surrounding that VMA performance with Miley Cyrus did affect him, but it didn't help that he made it seem like he was untouchable and then there was that photo of him with his hand up a woman's skirt (even in jest, the media was talking about it). And then there were all those stories about his marriage to Paula being "solid", but then it all fell apart. He couldn't leave it all alone though and had to make an album dedicated to Paula trying to get her back. It felt insincere and extremely desperate. It felt so forced and weird when he did live performances of some of the songs on the record and he was gyrating and writhing suggestively on stage during these songs that were supposedly heartfelt. It felt more like he wanted Paula back, but not in a way that he couldn't get for $100 a night at a truck stop. After the massive international success of "Blurred Lines", anything that didn't perform at or near that same level would be considered a "bomb", but "Give It 2 Me" did drastically underperform. There were several better songs on the record which could have been singles.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 1:05:04 GMT -5
Iggy's case is particularly interesting because although she was never going to be able to sustain all the momentum she had as a pop star, I didn't predict such a consistent negative public perception. At the end of the day, she's a female rapper who's lyrics are often explicit and not relatable to most of the kids listening to her music on top 40. So I'm not really surprised that she's beginning to fade away from the mainstream, but it's surprising that she's garnered such a negative image for herself in such a short amount of time. I mean, she's been written off by a lot of rap fans since she broke up with Asap Rocky and called herself a slave master, but it really feels like everyone is sick of her...even the pop fans who propelled her to relevance, however fleeting it was. *lights my blunt and cackles*
Edit: It's also interesting to note that at the time this thread started, Nicki was in a really precarious place. Her sales had fallen more than everyone expected, her guest verses had become more grating than anything and it seemed like she could easily fall off. Thank the Lordt she was able to come out of that period pretty much unscathed.
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Post by H. on Mar 25, 2015 6:59:19 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 9:38:33 GMT -5
I'm not sure if Christina has been mentioned, but the backlash was strong during the "Bionic" era. The Gaga comparisons, her personal turmoil, fat jokes, and that disastrous NA performance sealed the deal. Robin Thicke pretty much sealed his own fate by acting like an arrogant, cheating dick because of one massive hit. I will say I didn't thnk the backlash would extend as far as it did, and a case like this just shows how fast, (and swift), public perception can be.
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Post by Future Captain on Mar 25, 2015 9:42:37 GMT -5
You can't have a backlash against a non-existent success. If anything, she reach her relevancy high thanks to the controversy, tbh.
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Post by allow that on Mar 25, 2015 9:50:52 GMT -5
I don't think I saw Britney's name in here yet, but her backlash and recovery was one of the most infamous displays of human indecency and subsequent repentance. Britney's backlash in 2007 was eerily parallel to Mariah's in 2001. I guess being overworked and overstressed by the pressures of the industry to the point where it affects both physical and mental health is something funny to many? There was a bit of a backlash against Lady Gaga after ARTPOP came out. It was problematic that the video for "Do What U Want" remained unreleased, but perhaps it may have done more harm had it been released. A video was set to include R. Kelly urinating on her? If you think the backlash was already bad, I believe we've seen nothing compared to what it could have been. But it's interesting to bring R. Kelly's name up in this thread, come to think of it. During his sex abuse scandal(s) in the early 00's there was a brief period pause in the industry like "shit, what do we do?"... and then he smashed Urban radio with single after single and collected the biggest pop hit of his career. I definitely think R. Kelly lost fans during that period but overall his career remained a major force. Which is all the more random that backlash against him surfaced during a Gaga collaboration, but that's largely due to the aforementioned bright concept of the shelved video. Iggy's case is particularly interesting because although she was never going to be able to sustain all the momentum she had as a pop star, I didn't predict such a consistent negative public perception. The combination of her lack of authenticity and sour attitude really snowballed over the past few months, right? I feel that her PR machine is already kicking it up a gear. Her blabber mouth is no longer active on social media and she seems much more grounded in very recent interviews. Like, she's actually coming across humble and likable in a select few. I also think she's best owning up to the fact that she's a POP star and dropping her faux hood lyrics and claims of being an MC. It's best to continue collaborating with current pop stars like Ariana and Ellie Goulding... she has no career in hip hop, but if she plays her cards right she can come back as the female Pitbull. She's recovered nicely but it'll be interesting to see what happens the next few months. It's like early 2012 all over again right now: she's releasing a dancepop song from her album and is featured on a new David Guetta single. I personally think it's cool when artists manage to appeal to multiple audiences, but we all know how it went back then...
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Post by when the pawn... on Mar 25, 2015 12:02:30 GMT -5
Idk if this has been mentioned but Kanye West post-Taylorgate was pretty brutal.
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Post by allow that on Mar 25, 2015 12:13:01 GMT -5
Idk if this has been mentioned but Kanye West post-Taylorgate was pretty brutal. It really didn't affect his career outside of Taylor Swift fans though. Sure, people (inc. Obama) thought of him as a jackass, but it wasn't detrimental in terms of his core audience or core format. Not even a little bit.
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Post by Libra on Mar 25, 2015 12:41:31 GMT -5
^ Just ask Beck. :)
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Post by when the pawn... on Mar 25, 2015 12:50:40 GMT -5
Idk if this has been mentioned but Kanye West post-Taylorgate was pretty brutal. It really didn't affect his career outside of Taylor Swift fans though. Sure, people (inc. Obama) thought of him as a jackass, but it wasn't detrimental in terms of his core audience or core format. Not even a little bit. He rebounded quickly, mostly because My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy was so f**king brilliant, but he did have to cancel a tour that had already gone on sale and retreat completely. He got no Grammy attention for 808s & Heartbreak (1 rap nomination for "Amazing") and this is when Kanye was coming off of 3 consecutive AOTY nominations and some major pop hits with "Love Lockdown" and "Heartless".
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Post by think pink. on Mar 25, 2015 14:41:48 GMT -5
The Britney stans in the Britney/Iggy thread.
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Post by SuperTrouper on Mar 25, 2015 17:19:00 GMT -5
Can someone TL;DR Iggy's public backlash? I haven't read about it much, and I'm surprised to see comments like "she hit so low", "fading away" etc. What's it about and is it really that bad?
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Post by tekkenguy on Mar 26, 2015 16:33:36 GMT -5
Aside from his fans, people hated Bieber from day one. It was not until 2012-13 (him and his fans getting older, becoming a jerk, 1D, etc.) that his own fanbase turned on him.
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Post by crystalphnx on Mar 27, 2015 16:51:10 GMT -5
Can someone TL;DR Iggy's public backlash? I haven't read about it much, and I'm surprised to see comments like "she hit so low", "fading away" etc. What's it about and is it really that bad? +1 I'd been hearing the racism and cultural appropriation concerns since she first hit it big, but was there more than that? "Beg For It" flopped, but I just thought that was because it was a lame "Fancy" retread, and now "Trouble" is skyrocketing up iTunes thanks to one viral video...so I guess people aren't all THAT mad at her?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 3:33:23 GMT -5
Can someone TL;DR Iggy's public backlash? I haven't read about it much, and I'm surprised to see comments like "she hit so low", "fading away" etc. What's it about and is it really that bad? +1 I'd been hearing the racism and cultural appropriation concerns since she first hit it big, but was there more than that? "Beg For It" flopped, but I just thought that was because it was a lame "Fancy" retread, and now "Trouble" is skyrocketing up iTunes thanks to one viral video...so I guess people aren't all THAT mad at her? Trying to remember this from the top of my head, so I might miss something but this should hit all the main points. - She had some song where she said "when the relay starts, I'm a runaway slave master" and that obviously didn't sit well with many. This was back in her mixtape days, so she's been problematic since day one. This is also when her beef with Azealia Banks started IIRC, because Azealia called Iggy out on it. Iggy had TI and A$AP Rocky caping for her but any chance at getting black female fans was pretty much shot, and IMO that's the crowd she needed to capture the most if she wanted to really gain a foothold at urban, since male rap fans aren't as likely to buy into a female rapper. This wasn't backlash so much - she was just starting out - but it sets the tone for her current state. (Oh, probably goes without saying but she never apologized for that line or offered up an 'I'm Australian and I didn't realize it would be offensive' excuse.) - So, there was that time someone asked her to hit a freestyle when she was on Sway's radio show. Pretty much any attempt at authenticity was lost forever there. - She has a crappy attitude apparently, and doesn't interview well most of the time because of it. - Like I mentioned, she and Azealia Banks already had a longstanding beef. Banks is cuckoo for coco puffs so it is kind of easy to dismiss her for whatever rants she has as general saltiness and/or untreated mental illness, but I think their twitter argument last December was the final straw for most people when it came to Iggy. This article summarizes the issue pretty succinctly, so I won't rehash it. Keep in mind that article is an opinion piece, but I don't think I saw one media outlet that took Iggy's side on this one, so the tone of that article gives you an idea of how the backlash really started to settle in. Basically Iggy at best made herself seem woefully ignorant to the politics of race in the US, and at worst made herself seem like an outright racist who gives no fucks about the appropriation her existence represents - paired with the slave master line some people understandably believe she is the latter. I understand that any person in that position is going to want to defend herself and her music, but reverse racism/race card arguments are typically the racial equivalent of "I know you are, but what am I?" when you don't have a real comeback or valid point to make. - I think there is some guy now claiming or insinuating that he ghost-wrote Fancy? Which, no shit Iggy probably didn't write it, but it occurred to me that it's interesting to consider her use of ghostwriters now, because she likely isn't the one who came up with that slavemaster lyric. Some black guy did and thought it would be funny to have her say it because of the play on words, or that the controversy would bring her more attention, and she went along with it because she wanted to be a star. So you have racist teas + not talented + shit personality = urban fans aren't gonna like you. The main reason she was even able to reach the level of success she did have, besides good management, is because she made pop-friendly music and pop fans weren't exposed to these things much. Eventually all this started coming to light and the blowback started. And of course you know by now that Iggy's tour was selling poorly and got scrapped rescheduled to later dates in the summer and fall. Interestingly the rescheduled dates are still in the same arenas that she was not selling the first time around, so I'm not exactly sure how they plan on pulling that off later. I do think Iggy's team is going to try to basically rebrand her as a pop star - essentially a successor to the void left when Kesha fell off - which is what they should have been doing all along anyway. She only had a slight grip with hip-hop fans anyway so it's not like she is losing much to give up all pretense of being an urban-based act. Pop fans are simultaneously the least forgiving and but the most forgetful, so it will be interesting to see if or how they manage to make people forget all the bad stuff and only concentrate on the good. On the one hand, she isn't very remarkable as a rapper or performer. OTOH, if she focuses solely on pop and making sure her next song is as catchy as Fancy and Black Widow, she doesn't really need to be.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 15:49:38 GMT -5
Can someone TL;DR Iggy's public backlash? I haven't read about it much, and I'm surprised to see comments like "she hit so low", "fading away" etc. What's it about and is it really that bad? Exhibit A her talent vine.co/v/OV0Le0qrIqVExhibit B her lacking ticket sales "For example, the Staples Center LA concert was originally scheduled for April 21st, and Iggy had reportedly only sold out half the venue by mid-March. If you keep in mind that tickets had been on sale since December, those are atrocious and abysmal numbers" instead facing reality she made up this bullshit reason Iggy Azalea says her tour has been delayed because she is 'a psychopath' 'I don't want to have an average tour with a normal stage,' said the rapper Read more at www.nme.com/news/iggy-azalea/83498#LkqKPtp7qZimkPMQ.99
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 16:23:11 GMT -5
The only critique of Iggy that I think is undeserved is the freestyle thing. Nicki cannot freestyle, there was a video of her being asked to freestyle in 2010 backstage at some BET event and she looked incredibly uncomfortable and then gave something about as laughable as Iggy’s pre-written verse, which later turned out to be a verse from a Soula Boy song she (Nicki) was on. Other females who can’t freestyle include Trina, Eve, Kim, Foxy, etc. all of whom use reference verses when asked to freestyle. So that’s dumb of people to freak out about her not freestyling but I think it really goes back to her being a pretty abysmal rapper and it just being the icing on the cake that she can’t actually spit off the dome. As far as not writing, there are tons of male and female rappers whose big hits had multiple writers and/or were ghostwritten. About 30% of Kim’s debut was written by Biggie, Foxy often had lots of help from Jay and Nas, Trina had Trick helping her on early records and Nicki obviously uses co-writers whether she wants to cop to it or not. But with Iggy, for me, it’s always been that her music sucks ass. The girl cannot rap. The fact that she couldn’t even write those weak bars herself is even more embarrassing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 17:38:11 GMT -5
I don't think anyone was criticizing her for those points on their own merit, but rather using them to illustrate that the scope of her talent could be replicated by a kindergartner. For example.EDIT: That was actually a poor example now that I think about it. Sophia can carry a tune at least.
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Post by jimijoop on Feb 26, 2023 11:57:56 GMT -5
Demi Lovato in the last few years.
Mariah Carey in the early-mid 10s
Madonna in the last 2-3 years
Katy Perry during Witness era
Justin Timberlake since 2018.
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