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Post by Luckie Starchild on Nov 13, 2012 18:19:12 GMT -5
Backlash due to overexposure:
Bee Gees Michael Bolton Ricky Martin
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on Nov 13, 2012 18:42:50 GMT -5
I think the most significant example of a public backlash killing an entire genre of music for a while was probably the Disco Demolition Night. It especially killed it in the mainstream. Disco continued to exist on the underground as it had before it hit the mainstream. It continued to evolve into newer styles such as Italo Disco/Hi Nrg, Acid House, and later House which is the modern form of it. I foresee something similar to that with the current Electro/Dance/Pop craze that has continued for so long.
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Post by Pipa on Nov 13, 2012 19:52:54 GMT -5
On the other spectrum, Nickelback did nothing out of the ordinary and basically did what they always did, which hurt them a lot in the long run.
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Post by Ballroom Blitzed on Nov 14, 2012 8:28:54 GMT -5
It especially killed it in the mainstream. Disco continued to exist on the underground as it had before it hit the mainstream. It continued to evolve into newer styles such as Italo Disco/Hi Nrg, Acid House, and later House which is the modern form of it. Yeah, I should've clarified that. Interestingly enough, a lot of the "Second British Invasion" groups who became popular through exposure on MTV were strongly influenced by disco (Duran Duran, Culture Club and so on). The backlash seemed to be a largely American phenomenon.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Nov 14, 2012 9:33:09 GMT -5
I think Janet Jackson's career was negatively affected by the Super Bowl incident for the simple fact that nearly every reference to her after that and even since then has made mention of it. It was seen as a controversial act and many Americans frowned upon it, as harmless as many of us likely think it is. When your image becomes associated with a negative act, and it reaches a point where it's synonymous like Janet + Nipplegate, the music is no longer the leading attribute attached to your name. I agree that Janet's major hitmaking days were behind her by that point but that incident was something that increased the slide. She hasn't had a major hit since then. The same with Michael Jackson. His name became synonymous with the abuse accusations up until the day he died. Except for You Are Not Alone, he didn't have a significant hit since Dangerous was released, which came out before the allegations first began. Scream was accompanied by a record-breaking video and didn't do as well as expected and his albums after failed to do anything - up until his death. The reason why Justin escaped Nipplegate was because he was able to break away from the incident. He had a good team behind him that were able to bring the focus on him to other areas. I think Chris Brown has been negatively affected as well. His album sales are decent and he does still get hits but I think he was on the verge of superstardom before his incident and his name is rarely ever mentioned without bringing up his attack and subsequent violent episodes. He has been lucky to an extent but the backlash is still there. The michael jackson stuff isn't exactly true. Nor is the Janet jackson stuff. Janet was still pumping out hits right up until the SB. So there is really no data to suggest that Janet's career was about to or would've stalled absent the SB...especially since the lead single from the album released before the SB was a record breaking single. You guys want to believe one thing but the data just doesn't support your belief. Michael jackson sold 2.5 million copies of Invincible in the US at a time when people were strugging to sell that many records.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 14, 2012 10:14:43 GMT -5
Wasn't Invincible released in 2001, at the height of album sales?
I think MJ always had a major following so he would likely always reach a certain threshold. Radio and other outlets, however, didn't play him as much.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Nov 14, 2012 10:22:06 GMT -5
FYI - the other performer in that show had a fine career after 2004 Because he's a man. And it wasn't his breast that was shown. I'm gonna pull a Carrie Bradshaw and ask, if by any chance Timberlake's penis would've been shown would his career have suffer? Makes me wonder.
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Post by Lozzy on Nov 14, 2012 11:46:46 GMT -5
Because he's a man. And it wasn't his breast that was shown. I'm gonna pull a Carrie Bradshaw and ask, if by any chance Timberlake's penis would've been shown would his career have suffer ed? Makes me wonder. Highly doubt it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2012 12:42:42 GMT -5
Ashlee Simpson for lipsyncing on SNL Madonna for the Sex book
EDIT: Nobody mentioned Milli Vanilli :o They admitted to lipsyncing when they won a Grammy in 1990.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2012 16:12:42 GMT -5
Milli Vanilli didn't admit to lip syncing until they were found out. They won the BNA Grammy of 1989, and in 1990 they were forced to give it back (for the first time in Grammy history) when it was revealed they never sang a note on their songs.
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on Nov 14, 2012 17:09:53 GMT -5
Milli Vanilli didn't admit to lip syncing until they were found out. They won the BNA Grammy of 1989, and in 1990 they were forced to give it back (for the first time in Grammy history) when it was revealed they never sang a note on their songs. The two guys in Milli Vanilli could have sung themselves, but those other people sang better. After it all came out in public, they attempted to release some new music under their own names (Rob N Fab) that they sang themselves, however, it underperformed and they went their separate ways. The people who actually sang for them on that first album attempted to capitalize on the scandal while it was still fresh and released an album under the name The Real Milli Vanilli but that too flopped. Milli Vanilli were subsequently dropped by the label and their album was taken out of production. Several lawsuits followed.
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Post by Cody Wants Out... on Nov 14, 2012 17:45:44 GMT -5
On the other spectrum, Nickelback did nothing out of the ordinary and basically did what they always did, which hurt them a lot in the long run. Not only Nickelback, but also their brother bands (e.g. Daughtry, 3 Doors Down, The Fray, All-American Rejects, Lifehouse, Matchbox Twenty) got the cold shoulder from certain radio formats earlier on. Boy, did that get my blood boiling. I also think Clear Channel had something to do with that for some reason; I could be wrong, though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2012 18:04:56 GMT -5
I will never forget Clear Channel banning songs for seemingly being unpatriotic and subversive right after 9/11. Songs like "Imagine" by John Lennon, if you can believe that.
I thought this was the land of the free, and we are free to believe in any God or no God if we so choose.
Clear Channel doesn't seem to think so.
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Post by Juanca on Nov 14, 2012 18:30:00 GMT -5
Ashlee Simpson for lipsyncing on SNL Madonna for the Sex book EDIT: Nobody mentioned Milli Vanilli :o They admitted to lipsyncing when they won a Grammy in 1990. Madonna's Sex era has been mentioned a couple of times, but I could mention 2 other less minor backlashes in her career: - a minor one, in Argentina, for being chosen as the character of Evita. People protesting against her, breaking records in streets, even talking with the president because Madonna dared to represent one of the most venerated persons in Argentina - American life unpatriotic fiasco: soon after 9/11 she released a video mocking Bush, with bloody / gore fashion / war runaway that was banned by MTV. For the first time, Madonna gave in and after the huge criticism she received (following Dixie chicks fiasco) she pulled the video; she was seen as disrespectful by critics and a coward by fans. I know the track was also seen as an unfortunate mess by many, but the video put the nail in the coffin and made this the least successful leading single of her career (post Everybody)
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Post by Ballroom Blitzed on Nov 14, 2012 19:31:10 GMT -5
On the other spectrum, Nickelback did nothing out of the ordinary and basically did what they always did, which hurt them a lot in the long run. Heh, Nickelback. Have you ever seen the remix video that places "How You Remind Me" alongside "Someday", and they're more or less exactly the same song?
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Post by Pipa on Nov 14, 2012 22:58:48 GMT -5
On the other spectrum, Nickelback did nothing out of the ordinary and basically did what they always did, which hurt them a lot in the long run. Heh, Nickelback. Have you ever seen the remix video that places "How You Remind Me" alongside "Someday", and they're more or less exactly the same song? Except one has a guitar solo and is sped up. But I guess you're not supposed to notice that.
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Post by Almost Honest on Nov 14, 2012 23:58:19 GMT -5
When I hear public backlash for some reason I just always think of the Dixie Chicks. Unless someone can give me a bigger example, I would say they faced the biggest public backlash in the last twenty years.
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Post by Libra on Nov 15, 2012 16:51:33 GMT -5
I foresee something similar to that with the current Electro/Dance/Pop craze that has continued for so long. I don't, simply because I'm thinking that if that were true, it would already have happened by now - or right around this time. No, I'm thinking just a general loss of interest is much more likely, or rather that people will stop thinking of future similar music that comes out as "electro" or even to an extent as "dance" but rather simply as "pop". It may have "electro" or "dance" influences, but more and more, it'll simply be just plain pop once again.
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Post by beebee on Nov 17, 2012 17:24:53 GMT -5
Ashlee Simpson for lipsyncing on SNL Madonna for the Sex book EDIT: Nobody mentioned Milli Vanilli :o They admitted to lipsyncing when they won a Grammy in 1990. Madonna's Sex era has been mentioned a couple of times, but I could mention 2 other less minor backlashes in her career: - a minor one, in Argentina, for being chosen as the character of Evita. People protesting against her, breaking records in streets, even talking with the president because Madonna dared to represent one of the most venerated persons in Argentina - American life unpatriotic fiasco: soon after 9/11 she released a video mocking Bush, with bloody / gore fashion / war runaway that was banned by MTV. For the first time, Madonna gave in and after the huge criticism she received (following Dixie chicks fiasco) she pulled the video; she was seen as disrespectful by critics and a coward by fans. I know the track was also seen as an unfortunate mess by many, but the video put the nail in the coffin and made this the least successful leading single of her career (post Everybody) Actually the "AL" video was released in a time where the US was going to war with Irak and the nation was feeling patriotic about their nation and their soldiers fighting in the Middle East. Not a good time to release a song and video criticizing the American society. Later, Madonna said that she pulled out the video on music stations 'cause her kids were being threatened by some people at school as a consequence of the video release.
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Post by Juanca on Nov 20, 2012 20:50:56 GMT -5
Madonna's Sex era has been mentioned a couple of times, but I could mention 2 other less minor backlashes in her career: - a minor one, in Argentina, for being chosen as the character of Evita. People protesting against her, breaking records in streets, even talking with the president because Madonna dared to represent one of the most venerated persons in Argentina - American life unpatriotic fiasco: soon after 9/11 she released a video mocking Bush, with bloody / gore fashion / war runaway that was banned by MTV. For the first time, Madonna gave in and after the huge criticism she received (following Dixie chicks fiasco) she pulled the video; she was seen as disrespectful by critics and a coward by fans. I know the track was also seen as an unfortunate mess by many, but the video put the nail in the coffin and made this the least successful leading single of her career (post Everybody) Actually the "AL" video was released in a time where the US was going to war with Irak and the nation was feeling patriotic about their nation and their soldiers fighting in the Middle East. Not a good time to release a song and video criticizing the American society. Later, Madonna said that she pulled out the video on music stations 'cause her kids were being threatened by some people at school as a consequence of the video release. Yeah, but for many hardcore fans she chickened when she decided to pull out the video. For many non-American fans, the video was bold, brave and overall awesome especially at a time when we believed there was no reason to invade Irak, that the nuclear threat was Bush's invention and that America's reaction was a big missed opportunity to regain international support. The best of the single was its video, so when this was replaced with the boring flags it was quite a disappointment --even though it was the first time we saw our flag in a major mainstream artist video
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Post by bryce on Nov 20, 2012 20:55:33 GMT -5
I think Janet Jackson's career was negatively affected by the Super Bowl incident for the simple fact that nearly every reference to her after that and even since then has made mention of it. "You're a Janet Jackson fan?" "Yes." "So you like tits eh?" "Yes. But Janet is much more than a tit to me." I have this conversation on a weekly basis.
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Post by bat1990 on Nov 27, 2012 16:09:55 GMT -5
I agree that the Superbowl incident definitely hurt Janet's career for years, but I do want to clarify that JALW was NOT released before the performance. The Superbowl performance was on Feb. 1 and JALW came out later in the week.
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Post by musicjunky318 on Dec 17, 2012 22:50:12 GMT -5
I always thought her brother could have hindered Janet as well which I never really hear fans inquiring when discussing the Damita Jo era. 2004 was already a bad year for the Jackson family. Michael was in the headlines with the new charges and was about to be indicted.
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Post by moore746 on Dec 18, 2012 0:31:09 GMT -5
When I hear public backlash for some reason I just always think of the Dixie Chicks. Unless someone can give me a bigger example, I would say they faced the biggest public backlash in the last twenty years. I guess, but they were also able to make a huge comeback, unlike many of the others listed.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Dec 18, 2012 2:01:36 GMT -5
When I hear public backlash for some reason I just always think of the Dixie Chicks. Unless someone can give me a bigger example, I would say they faced the biggest public backlash in the last twenty years. I guess, but they were also able to make a huge comeback, unlike many of the others listed. Huge in some ways but not all. They had high critical praise for Taking the Long Way and between the album and "Not Ready to Make Nice" they won a lot of Grammys and wound up with impressive sales... but they still never recovered from their country radio blacklisting.
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Post by Ballroom Blitzed on Dec 18, 2012 7:54:43 GMT -5
I've heard that the Dixie Chicks actually experienced an upswing in popularity in regions that were less favourable towards Bush, but don't quote me on that.
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Post by K. on Dec 18, 2012 9:33:23 GMT -5
The Dixie Chicks are the best modern example I can think of. The Ashlee Simpson, Lana del Ray and Joss Stone examples are good too.
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Post by mkarns on Dec 18, 2012 14:36:46 GMT -5
On the other spectrum, Nickelback did nothing out of the ordinary and basically did what they always did, which hurt them a lot in the long run. I think that Hootie & the Blowfish in the 1990s suffered a similar fate. Their music was enjoyable and inoffensive, if not especially interesting, but it was simply overplayed for a while and all of a sudden a backlash erupted. In Nickelback's case, the backlash took several years longer to affect sales and airplay.
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Post by spoonabdul3 on Dec 19, 2012 13:50:24 GMT -5
everyone blames the superbowl for Janets downfall. but i gotta be honest and I am a huge Janet fan. Damita Jo wasnt going to be as successful as AFY anyways. JALW was never going to be a huge hit imo. i dont think anything off of DJ would have been a radio hit anyways. but speaking about the actual superbowl incident..... i think Janet made it worse. It was obviously planned (come on everyone knows that). Instead of admitting it (like Madonna would have done) and talking about making a statement of womens sexuality, or whats the big deal? by lying about it (still to this day) i think that hurt her the most...... we all know it was planned...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2012 15:33:20 GMT -5
The quality of Janet's material already drastically declined with the All For You album (although the first two singles were strong). Her last 3 albums weren't even close to the quality of Control, Rhythm Nation, janet., and The Velvet Rope. Not to mention, by the point of the Super Bowl, she'd been in the recording industry for over 20 years and was pushing 40. You're less likely to get second chances at that point if your material isn't up to par. This is all coming from someone who is a big Janet fan. The Super Bowl was a convenient scapegoat for fans. That way they could shift the blame from the drastic decline in the quality of the music (even if you think Damita Jo was a stronger album than All For You, few consider Damita Jo to have had the stronger singles) to the Super Bowl and be able to relieve Janet of the responsibility for her own career decline.
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