cesarams
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Post by cesarams on Nov 8, 2012 10:01:54 GMT -5
THURSDAY'S UPDATE:
TOP 20:
1. MAROON 5 – One More Night: 194.007 (+ 0.831)
2. FUN. – Some Nights: 150.376 (+ 1.435)
3. TAYLOR SWIFT – We Are Never Ever Getting…: 142.731 (- 0.193)
4. ALEX CLARE – Too Close: 133.549 (- 0.631) ▲
5. NE-YO – Let Me Love You: 133.136 (+ 0.563) ▲
6. JUSTIN BIEBER – As Long As You Love Me: 130.884 (- 4.100) ▼
7. RIHANNA – Diamonds: 120.626 (+ 2.328)
8. CHRIS BROWN – Don’t Wake Me Up: 117.091 (+ 0.427)
9. PINK – Blow Me (One Last Kiss): 111.148 (- 2.187)
10. KE$HA – Die Young: 99.869 (+ 1.985)
11. MIGUEL – Adorn: 95.589 (+ 0.754)
12. BRUNO MARS – Locked Out Of Heaven: 91.178 (+ 2.026)
13. OWL CITY & CARLY RAE JEPSEN – Good Time: 86.509 (- 0.443)
14. PHILLIP PHILLIPS – Home: 80.626 (+ 0.999)
15. ELLIE GOULDING – Lights: 76.808 (- 0.105)
16. KATY PERRY – Wide Awake: 74.225 (- 0.224)
17. FLO RIDA – I Cry: 72.998 (+ 1.764)
18. GOTYE – Somebody That I Used To Know: 69.500 (+ 0.337) ▲
19. NEON TREES – Everybody Talks: 69.104 (- 0.539) ▼
20. LUKE BRYAN – Kiss Tomorrow Goodbye: 66.574 (+ 0.458) ▲
OTHERS:
PSY – Gangnam Style: 63.827 (- 1.747)
LEE BRICE – Hard To Love: 63.243 (- 0.919)
JAKE OWEN – The One That Got Away: 62.695 (+ 0.592)
KANYE WEST – Clique f/Big Sean & JAY-Z: 62.135 (+ 1.160)
TRAIN – 50 Ways To Say Goodbye: 62.014 (- 0.682)
ENRIQUE IGLESIAS – Finally Found You f/S. Adams: 57.129 (- 0.092)
ED SHEERAN – The A Team: 51.306 (+ 0.342)
LUMINEERS – Ho Hey: 49.178 (+ 1.291)
ONEREPUBLIC – Feel Again: 43.388 (+ 0.843)
NICKI MINAJ – Va Va Voom: 40.311 (+ 1.702)
ALICIA KEYS – Girl On Fire: 36.428 (+ 0.396)
TAYLOR SWIFT – Begin Again: 32.867 (+ 0.374)
ONE DIRECTION – Live While We’re Young: 32.504 (- 0.177)
ADELE – Skyfall: 28.534 (+ 0.306)
MUMFORD & SONS – I Will Wait: 26.417 (+ 0.395)
THE SCRIPT – Hall Of Fame f/will.i.am: 24.190 (+ 0.435)
JUSTIN BIEBER – Beauty And A Beat f/N. Minaj: 21.167 (+ 1.281)
PINK – Try: 20.258 (+ 1.425)
MUSE – Madness: 18.689 (+ 0.360)
ELLIE GOULDING – Anything Could Happen: 17.567 (+ 0.421)
KELLY CLARKSON – Catch My Breath: 16.637 (+ 0.587)
BRIDGIT MENDLER – Ready Or Not: 14.009 (+ 0.001)
KILLERS – Miss Atomic Bomb: 1.143 (+ 0.057)
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fridayteenage
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Post by fridayteenage on Nov 8, 2012 11:04:47 GMT -5
So M5 looks to have a decent chance of having the 2010s' 2nd 10-week #1 after We Found Love, without a single week on top of downloads. How odd.
I wonder if Psy will match Miley Cyrus for most #1 digital weeks without being #1 overall. Bruno's coming on strong.
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Post by wolfmother on Nov 8, 2012 12:02:59 GMT -5
So M5 looks to have a decent chance of having the 2010s' 2nd 10-week #1 after We Found Love, without a single week on top of downloads. How odd. I wonder if Psy will match Miley Cyrus for most #1 digital weeks without being #1 overall. Bruno's coming on strong. It's not like they haven't been in the top 5 on digital all this time though, but the huge sales difference with PSY is what makes those 8 week at the top look a little bit akward. Had they been closer to him in sales all this time, then no one would be protesting, but it is more the fact that radio is somehow refusing to play PSY to some extent which is causing all this mess. I will never understand how it will have nerver be #10 on CHR. |
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kingofpain
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Post by kingofpain on Nov 8, 2012 12:59:32 GMT -5
I don't understand it either... In fact I'm having trouble recalling a time when a song this popular in sales and streaming was ignored by radio. At least radio finally picked up Party in The USA, unfortunately it was long after she had peaked in sales and the AirPlay peak didnt match up to help her get to #1. In PSY's case, not only has this song far from peaked, radio is already dropping it like a rock when it never even reached half of its full potential on there in the first place. This is a true example of radio playing dirty, especially when it's giving M5 this unbelievable AirPlay advantage when sales will tell you otherwise that the public thinks the song is just okay.
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Post by musik... on Nov 8, 2012 14:44:01 GMT -5
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 8, 2012 15:06:45 GMT -5
JUSTIN BIEBER – Beauty And A Beat f/N. Minaj: 21.167 (+ 1.281)
PINK – Try: 20.258 (+ 1.425)
Gogo!
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 8, 2012 15:18:54 GMT -5
One More Night is #1 on airplay because Z100 in NYC is now playing it for the 2nd time in the last 75 minutes!
#overplayedridiculousess
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Post by leoapp on Nov 8, 2012 18:47:33 GMT -5
OMN must be one of the most forgettable #1 ever, it's one of M5's worst singles.
Gangnam Style will be remembered for sure despite stalling at #2.
Once again, a proof how airplay is bias!
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Post by Lozzy on Nov 8, 2012 18:54:31 GMT -5
I don't understand it either... In fact I'm having trouble recalling a time when a song this popular in sales and streaming was ignored by radio. At least radio finally picked up Party in The USA, unfortunately it was long after she had peaked in sales and the AirPlay peak didnt match up to help her get to #1. In PSY's case, not only has this song far from peaked, radio is already dropping it like a rock when it never even reached half of its full potential on there in the first place. This is a true example of radio playing dirty, especially when it's giving M5 this unbelievable AirPlay advantage when sales will tell you otherwise that the public thinks the song is just okay. How many times have we gone over this? Radio would never put a song like "Gangnam Style" in power because it's so polarizing. It's the kind of song that 50% of listeners would love and the other 50% would hate, and if even a small fraction of those who hate it choose to turn the station because of it, that's a huge loss for radio. "One More Night" is more middle-of-the-road song that's far less likely to turn listeners away, so it makes sense that radio would choose to support it far more than "Gangnam Style". Also, "One More Night" is selling very well, surely the public doesn't think it's just okay? Just because it's not outselling "Gangnam Style" doesn't mean that its sales are awful. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 18:55:44 GMT -5
I believe this is the longest running Hot 100 #1 to never go #1 on sales since We Belong Together. Surprised Billboard hasn't mentioned that one yet!
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Post by slamina on Nov 8, 2012 19:03:40 GMT -5
OMN must be one of the most forgettable #1 ever, it's one of M5's worst singles. Gangnam Style will be remembered for sure despite stalling at #2. Once again, a proof how airplay is bias! lol, no. 8 weeks (probably going to be more than that in the end) at number one doesn't equal one of the most forgettable #1s ever. Nice try. |
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Post by forg on Nov 8, 2012 19:35:36 GMT -5
Well who knows maybe Gangnam Style could score huge sales (like 400K+) during this holiday season and could have a slim shot to get to #1  But I think the fight is over though Anyway this is the last chart for the Billboard yearend chart, right? ;) |
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Post by weaver on Nov 8, 2012 19:40:34 GMT -5
I don't understand it either... In fact I'm having trouble recalling a time when a song this popular in sales and streaming was ignored by radio. At least radio finally picked up Party in The USA, unfortunately it was long after she had peaked in sales and the AirPlay peak didnt match up to help her get to #1. In PSY's case, not only has this song far from peaked, radio is already dropping it like a rock when it never even reached half of its full potential on there in the first place. This is a true example of radio playing dirty, especially when it's giving M5 this unbelievable AirPlay advantage when sales will tell you otherwise that the public thinks the song is just okay. The fact that One More Night is STILL hanging around #5 on iTunes, when it was released in the summer, says to me that the public in fact does like it. It's also doing quite well on streaming, no? Just not understanding the hate this song is getting on Pulse...I really like the song a lot. |
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Post by forg on Nov 8, 2012 19:43:41 GMT -5
One More Night grew on me, well the song is just getting hate because it's been at #1 for a long time and it blocked a pop culture phenomenon which "feels" bigger. I also feel that Gangnam Style should have been the one that had several weeks at #1 and not OMN but well this is the chart game
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Post by Lozzy on Nov 8, 2012 19:45:50 GMT -5
It's also doing quite well on streaming, no? Yep, it's #3 on On-Demand Songs this week and it originally peaked at #1 for two weeks. |
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Post by Keelzit on Nov 8, 2012 20:13:27 GMT -5
What irks me the most is that OMN never hit #1 on sales and not because it was always behind GS in that department. Same with CMB and it never reaching #1 on airplay.
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Lozzy
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Post by Lozzy on Nov 8, 2012 20:17:40 GMT -5
What irks me the most is that OMN never hit #1 on sales and not because it was always behind GS in that department. Same with CMB and it never reaching #1 on airplay. It made #2 on Digital Songs and it's been in the top 5 on iTunes for all of the last three months bar four days. Is that so bad? Also the acronym you're looking for is CMM, not CMB. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 20:21:16 GMT -5
Have any of you checked the iTunes chart lately? GS is very close to losing its #1 position to Bruno and that, along with its plunging airplay, pretty much spells curtains for the song.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 20:24:09 GMT -5
What irks me the most is that OMN never hit #1 on sales and not because it was always behind GS in that department. Same with CMB and it never reaching #1 on airplay. Plenty of #1's over the years haven't made it to #1 on either the Top sales/digital chart or the airplay chart (or either), it's about who has the most chart points in the end, not about who gets the highest positions on the component charts. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Nov 8, 2012 21:04:50 GMT -5
^Yep. One can't go by individual rankings on the charts that make up the Hot 100.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 8, 2012 21:33:05 GMT -5
How can a song be forgettable when it's been discussed to death for the past 2 months and then some?
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Post by p0isonparadise. on Nov 8, 2012 21:50:20 GMT -5
How can a song be forgettable when it's been discussed to death for the past 2 months and then some? Pulse isn't the general public. In a year from now ask some random person on the street what the biggest song was in the fall of 2012, the majority would say "Gangnam Style". |
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Post by WotUNeed on Nov 8, 2012 22:02:08 GMT -5
In a year from now ask some random person on the street what the biggest song was in the fall of 2012, the majority would say "Gangnam Style". The majority wouldn't be able to differentiate the music of Fall 2012 from the music of Winter 2011... |
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Post by p0isonparadise. on Nov 8, 2012 22:10:54 GMT -5
In a year from now ask some random person on the street what the biggest song was in the fall of 2012, the majority would say "Gangnam Style". The majority wouldn't be able to differentiate the music of Fall 2012 from the music of Winter 2011... All am saying is to the average person, "GS" is the #1 song in the country. But of course, the Hot 100 isn't measured by what song "feels like a #1". At the end of the day M5 have the most points, therefor they deserve to be #1. |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 8, 2012 22:14:24 GMT -5
I don't think when people say "this song is so forgettable" that they are talking about the general perception of the song. I think they are talking about themselves.
"Pulse isn't the general public" is thrown out the window.
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Post by strikeleo on Nov 8, 2012 22:19:43 GMT -5
I do think the current weight of sales need to be readjusted, though. Same thing with Airplay.
We live in an era where most people connect their Ipods to their cars and listen to the songs they previously downloaded. Fewer and fewer individuals listen to radio currently, and the number will only shrink in years to come.
Sales, on the other hand, have shown to be growing as each year passes, so the current chart doesn't exactly show what's the most popular song in the country, but rather what's the song with most points for this specific chart. Sales and streaming are actually a more accurate reflection of what the public is after. Radio has a lot of other facts come into play: payola, djs deciding to play what they want and all that.
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Post by Lozzy on Nov 8, 2012 22:23:14 GMT -5
Fewer and fewer individuals listen to radio currently, and the number will only shrink in years to come. Just a thought, if that happens, wouldn't the airplay numbers go down meaning that airplay would influence the Hot 100 less without Billboard having to make readjustments? |
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Post by WotUNeed on Nov 8, 2012 22:24:06 GMT -5
Is there any data available for the portion of revenue an "average hit single" (which I know would be difficult to define in and of itself) derives from radio play vs. sales vs. on-demand streaming vs. passive streaming? Because I think the Hot 100 formula should basically be weighted accordingly, if there is any feasible way to determine that with any degree of statistical accuracy.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 8, 2012 22:27:51 GMT -5
I agree that airplay numbers need to go down. It's all payola nowadays and that isn't fair.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Nov 8, 2012 22:28:52 GMT -5
I feel like they could tweak the formula non-stop and I (and others) would always have something to bitch about. Personally, I don't like when the formula weighs heavily on radio's side just because it is boring to me when radio latches onto a song, refuses to stop playing it, and that pretty much makes it difficult to dislodge it from #1. Nearly 200 million in audience is a LOT to overcome though admittedly M5 is also doing very well in sales if not as well as Psy.
Oh well-every formula will have its quirks.
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