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Post by RadioBeatz on Aug 2, 2013 23:36:18 GMT -5
Dark Katy is coming! :o Only 10 days to go :'(
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Post by Snowbeast on Aug 3, 2013 0:46:14 GMT -5
I think the album is going to have a more mature tone. Not necessarily dark, but the lyrics are going to have more substance. Her burning the Califonia Gurls wig pretty much confirms that. Remember that she went through a divorce since the last album, and her relationship with John hasn't all been smooth sailing.
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Post by Dielawn on Aug 3, 2013 3:02:56 GMT -5
You gotta also remember the direction pop music is heading as a reaction to the last years. People want the OPPOSITE of upbeat 80's-retro synth-pop. Organic, earthy, stripped-down music is what people are in the mood for now so unfortunately I think darker material for her is going to be more fitting with the climate we're entering. It seems like a great number of Electro/Dance-pop releases this year have underperformed or flopped on CHR, (most of them probably recorded in 2012 anyway). So for someone like Katy why would they have her drop anything like that? They're going to distance her from that sound and era as much as possible. It's like its 2002 all over again, lord help us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2013 4:41:13 GMT -5
You gotta also remember the direction pop music is heading as a reaction to the last years. People want the OPPOSITE of upbeat 80's-retro synth-pop. Organic, earthy, stripped-down music is what people are in the mood for now so unfortunately I think darker material for her is going to be more fitting with the climate we're entering. It seems like a great number of Electro/Dance-pop releases this year have underperformed or flopped on CHR, (most of them probably recorded in 2012 anyway). So for someone like Katy why would they have her drop anything like that? They're going to distance her from that sound and era as much as possible. It's like its 2002 all over again, lord help us. She's working with Zedd (currently #4 on pop ^^) so I hope the lead single is with him. Dance-pop is flopping but harder EDM songs are still doing well.
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Post by Dielawn on Aug 3, 2013 4:52:17 GMT -5
You gotta also remember the direction pop music is heading as a reaction to the last years. People want the OPPOSITE of upbeat 80's-retro synth-pop. Organic, earthy, stripped-down music is what people are in the mood for now so unfortunately I think darker material for her is going to be more fitting with the climate we're entering. It seems like a great number of Electro/Dance-pop releases this year have underperformed or flopped on CHR, (most of them probably recorded in 2012 anyway). So for someone like Katy why would they have her drop anything like that? They're going to distance her from that sound and era as much as possible. It's like its 2002 all over again, lord help us. She's working with Zedd (currently #4 on pop ^^) so I hope the lead single is with him. Dance-pop is flopping but harder EDM songs are still doing well. Thats partly what I'm saying though even when it comes to dance music the public wants darker tones in it. Your very right the harder EDM songs are doing well but many of them are very mellowdramatic and gloomy. It just seems like nobody wants to hear 'The DJ got us fallin in love agaaaaaiiiiinnn!' anymore. Smh.
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Post by Rocky on Aug 3, 2013 5:15:05 GMT -5
She's working with Zedd (currently #4 on pop ^^) so I hope the lead single is with him. Dance-pop is flopping but harder EDM songs are still doing well. Thats partly what I'm saying though even when it comes to dance music the public wants darker tones in it. Your very right the harder EDM songs are doing well but many of them are very mellowdramatic and gloomy. It just seems like nobody wants to hear 'The DJ got us fallin in love agaaaaaiiiiinnn!' anymore. Smh. They want more "Clarity" and "Spectrum" (maybe they will re-release it after the former's success) rather than a "We R Who We R" or a "Party Rock Anthem". Even the Calvin Harris songs have a "darker tone" I can't explain. "Feel So Close" and "Sweet Nothing" felt absolutely sad and even "I Need Your Love" has something in it... idk. Not a carefree song for me. Oh and if Calvin, then I think Florence + The Machine should also push some songs from their next album (don't know when they will release).
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Post by Dielawn on Aug 3, 2013 5:30:11 GMT -5
Thats partly what I'm saying though even when it comes to dance music the public wants darker tones in it. Your very right the harder EDM songs are doing well but many of them are very mellowdramatic and gloomy. It just seems like nobody wants to hear 'The DJ got us fallin in love agaaaaaiiiiinnn!' anymore. Smh. They want more "Clarity" and "Spectrum" (maybe they will re-release it after the former's success) rather than a "We R Who We R" or a "Party Rock Anthem". Even the Calvin Harris songs have a "darker tone" I can't explain. "Feel So Close" and "Sweet Nothing" felt absolutely sad and even "I Need Your Love" has something in it... idk. Not a carefree song for me. Oh and if Calvin, then I think Florence + The Machine should also push some songs from their next album (don't know when they will release). Exactly what I was thinking! I was afraid someone was going to list I Need Your Love or I Love It as examples of why I'm wrong and I'd have to defend it. It is hard to explain but the tone is just more serious to put it in layman's terms. I guess thats just what comes with venturing deeper into EDM territory though, because straight-up EDM is not carefree at all its very intense in tone. What do you think about Let's go though? I think that one is more on the light side.
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Post by Myeahhh. on Aug 3, 2013 10:37:07 GMT -5
Wait. Zedd is working with Gaga and Katy?!
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Post by josh on Aug 3, 2013 10:47:29 GMT -5
Wait. Zedd is working with Gaga and Katy?! Gaga 100%. Katy I don't think anything *officially* has been said but lots of rumors.
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Post by pnobelysk on Aug 3, 2013 11:49:33 GMT -5
They want more "Clarity" and "Spectrum" (maybe they will re-release it after the former's success) rather than a "We R Who We R" or a "Party Rock Anthem". Even the Calvin Harris songs have a "darker tone" I can't explain. "Feel So Close" and "Sweet Nothing" felt absolutely sad and even "I Need Your Love" has something in it... idk. Not a carefree song for me. Oh and if Calvin, then I think Florence + The Machine should also push some songs from their next album (don't know when they will release). Exactly what I was thinking! I was afraid someone was going to list I Need Your Love or I Love It as examples of why I'm wrong and I'd have to defend it. It is hard to explain but the tone is just more serious to put it in layman's terms. I guess thats just what comes with venturing deeper into EDM territory though, because straight-up EDM is not carefree at all its very intense in tone. What do you think about Let's go though? I think that one is more on the light side. Lets go is a lot lighter , and also didn't do as well as Calvin's other singles . It's sales weren't too strong
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2013 11:56:04 GMT -5
The two "darkest" singles from the last album ("E.T." and "Part of Me") were easily my least favorites, so I'm hoping this album is not "dark Katy". How is Part of Me even remotely dark? Wide Awake is the darkest she got, and I completely expect this to be a continuation of that sound/lyrical content. Which I would be all there for. "Wide Awake" was light and breezy to me, not dark. "Wide Awake" is in major chord, and "E.T." and "Part of Me" are both in minor chord.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2013 12:31:38 GMT -5
Some people are taking dark to mean lyrically and others are taking it to refer to the sound. e.g., something with a 'heavier' feel like EDM. And then you have a song like WFL which on its face wasn't 'dark' either way, but the video added such a different interpretation to it that you're left with a 'dark' feeling.
"Wide Awake" is about as close to 'dark' as Katy has gotten in lyrics but it was very light on the production. My guess is that she is going to go darker (but not too dark) lyrically and visually. Production-wise it will be heavier than her fluffy fare like CG and "Firework," but not more so than ET or any of the EDM-flavored hits that we've had of recent.
I had said some time ago in her album thread that Katy shouldn't really have a problem fitting in with the changes on CHR b/c she could just use ET as the guiding point for her new album. I'll (probably) love it if that is essentially the direction she's going in.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Aug 3, 2013 12:48:02 GMT -5
Any competition on the horizon ..... Katy will win the Gold medal . Guaranteed. Loving everything about this song and era so far.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 3, 2013 12:55:03 GMT -5
Dr. Luke Doctor Luke thedoctorluke 21m it's not dark but it does sound different !!! still positive, uplifting.. catchy !!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2013 13:07:50 GMT -5
Positive, uplifting, and catchy sounds perfect except if it's: "Be yourself, whoever and wherever you are, let me hear you roaaaaarrrr"
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Post by NeRD on Aug 3, 2013 13:22:58 GMT -5
I feel like it'll be another PLU shoutout to the outcasts anthem.
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 3, 2013 15:13:45 GMT -5
I wanna see you be braveroar
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Post by Myeahhh. on Aug 3, 2013 19:03:03 GMT -5
How is Part of Me even remotely dark? Wide Awake is the darkest she got, and I completely expect this to be a continuation of that sound/lyrical content. Which I would be all there for. "Wide Awake" was light and breezy to me, not dark. "Wide Awake" is in major chord, and "E.T." and "Part of Me" are both in minor chord. That's just kind of how modern pop music is, though. It would be corny/too much to pair upbeat lyrics with a major key, or dark lyrics with a minor key. Not that it hasn't been done (Ke$ha, "Your Love is My Drug" being in a major key) but generally it's never like that. It doesn't really have any bearing on if the music is dark, IMO. To me, "Wide Awake" was dark, while "E.T." definitely wasn't. "Part of Me" was kinda in a grey area.
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Post by popbox on Aug 3, 2013 19:16:09 GMT -5
"Wide Awake" was light and breezy to me, not dark. "Wide Awake" is in major chord, and "E.T." and "Part of Me" are both in minor chord. That's just kind of how modern pop music is, though. It would be corny/too much to pair upbeat lyrics with a major key, or dark lyrics with a minor key. Not that it hasn't been done (Ke$ha, "Your Love is My Drug" being in a major key) but generally it's never like that. It doesn't really have any bearing on if the music is dark, IMO. To me, "Wide Awake" was dark, while "E.T." definitely wasn't. "Part of Me" was kinda in a grey area. Agreed pretty much. Upbeat lyrics in a major chord work quite often on pop, but yeah minor chord dark lyrics rarely do. That's when pop artists start flopping.
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Post by Arrow on Aug 3, 2013 20:10:37 GMT -5
Wide Awake and Part Of Me are both empowerment singles, though undeniably Part Of Me is the edgier (i.e. harsher) song that experiments with darker sound elements such as power chords, that last rave lilted refrain and the aggressive beat amplification. If we are talking about lighter being catchy, breezy, whimsical singles like California Gurls, Teenage Dream and Last Friday Night there is a deviation there. Wide Awake ultimately deals with a break-up and coming back from earth but it is still cast in an optimistic light about coming out the other side of it a stronger person. Part Of Me is more vengeful in it's approach and is similar to Circle the Drain, which is probably the "darkest" song Katy has on the Teenage Dream album.
E.T. isn't any more darker than Come & Get It or Toxic in tone, they all deal with male suitors who are bad for the serenading protagonists. But again musically it is different from most of the songs on Teenage Dream and stands out from her catalog as being the notable oddman.
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Post by Gold Soundz on Aug 3, 2013 21:21:18 GMT -5
Toxic shouldn't even be in the same sentence as Come & Get It or E.T. I too hope it's a lighter, breezier affair, because that's what Katy does best. Even with all the melodyne her voice sounds rough around the edges, and it's much easier to listen to over brighter songs.
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Post by Keelzit on Aug 3, 2013 21:49:30 GMT -5
Dark or not, I'm sure she'll deliver. We're talking about the woman whose last album was the most-played release on pop radio... ever! She knows exactly what she has to do to sustain that success but also move to new territories.
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Post by unwritten on Aug 4, 2013 4:02:04 GMT -5
Can't wait for this! My favorite single from last era was Firework which quite fits the description "positive, uplifting, catchy", but Firework was not produce by Dr Luke. Teenage Dream era was really great and usually the expectations are so high that people can be disappointed.I think she showed enough variety with Teenage Dream singles. Probably the new album sound will be more cohesive. Anyway, I am very excited to see what surprises she has for us.
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Post by ericcase on Aug 4, 2013 7:40:43 GMT -5
Peeps are allergic to the "R" on the east coast & it's going to be my OWN private nightmare!!! Maybe Katy and her management need to keep your contact information on file so they can check with you first to see if the name of the songs and albums are appropriate for you so they don't create this problem in the future. Hey Diamond that's a brilliant idea. My own management team has come up with the perfect comeback title for Katy. We've been told that it's being taken into serious consideration. Our title pick is "Eyes Up Here" That's right Katy finally addresses the known fact that 98.6% of guys & girls never can keep eye contact with her for too long thanks to her natural blessings. They've got a lil' over a week to get this done. I'm keeping the faith
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2013 7:43:33 GMT -5
"Wide Awake" was light and breezy to me, not dark. "Wide Awake" is in major chord, and "E.T." and "Part of Me" are both in minor chord. That's just kind of how modern pop music is, though. It would be corny/too much to pair upbeat lyrics with a major key, or dark lyrics with a minor key. Not that it hasn't been done (Ke$ha, "Your Love is My Drug" being in a major key) but generally it's never like that. It doesn't really have any bearing on if the music is dark, IMO. To me, "Wide Awake" was dark, while "E.T." definitely wasn't. "Part of Me" was kinda in a grey area. As Cynthia already stated, I wasn't talking about lyrics at all.
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Post by ericcase on Aug 4, 2013 8:11:32 GMT -5
Maybe Katy and her management need to keep your contact information on file so they can check with you first to see if the name of the songs and albums are appropriate for you so they don't create this problem in the future. Don't worry, I'll make her label to stylize Prism with Capitol letters. The album is nowcalled PRISM and people on the East Coast need to pronounce it like: "Pi - are - eye - as - em". also... What's a "non private nightmare"? Hey Baby Lama funny stuff, yes real funny. Who knew Hungary was rich in comedy? I thought you all just played Water Polo...Guess I was wrong. Also it's Capital not "Capitol"...Just think of Budapest & you'll be fine! Lastly I'll address what "My Own Private Nightmare" means to you baby lama. It's when I'm in a public setting & someone will say/sing Rawwww & I'm forced to keep my private feelings tucked away on that butchering of "Roar" as to not offend or (with the crazies) get shot. Ok Lama I believe your up to date on what goes on in this talented mind of mine. Thanks again for your inquires & now we can Elássa a csatabárdot
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Post by Rocky on Aug 4, 2013 9:03:30 GMT -5
Don't worry, I'll make her label to stylize Prism with Capitol letters. The album is nowcalled PRISM and people on the East Coast need to pronounce it like: "Pi - are - eye - as - em". also... What's a "non private nightmare"? Hey Baby Lama funny stuff, yes real funny. Who knew Hungary was rich in comedy? I thought you all just played Water Polo...Guess I was wrong. You learn something new every day. Also it's Capital not "Capitol"...Just think of Budapest & you'll be fine! Capitol is her label, I put it in Italic to be easier to see the pun. Ok, we're not that funny then. Ok Lama I believe your up to date on what goes on in this talented mind of mine. Thanks again for your inquires & now we can Elássa a csatabárdot I think you should not try to translate English to Hungarian with Google Translate. It's hilarious.
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Post by Enyasurvivor on Aug 4, 2013 9:04:23 GMT -5
I would love to see Katy Perry do something in the vein of "Still Into You" by Paramore. It's a cute love song, but has that dark rock twist to it.
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Post by Myeahhh. on Aug 4, 2013 9:27:34 GMT -5
That's just kind of how modern pop music is, though. It would be corny/too much to pair upbeat lyrics with a major key, or dark lyrics with a minor key. Not that it hasn't been done (Ke$ha, "Your Love is My Drug" being in a major key) but generally it's never like that. It doesn't really have any bearing on if the music is dark, IMO. To me, "Wide Awake" was dark, while "E.T." definitely wasn't. "Part of Me" was kinda in a grey area. As Cynthia already stated, I wasn't talking about lyrics at all. With all due respect, it doesn't matter if you were just talking about the composition. My comment still applies. Being in a major or minor key nowadays means something completely different than 20 years ago. Major =/= happy and minor =/= sad.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2013 13:34:06 GMT -5
Who mentioned "happy"/"sad"? The whole point was that "dark" is a very subjective term. I don't agree with the post above your's that calls Paramore's "Still Into You" "dark" either. We seem to have very different ideas about what makes a song dark, so I may consider most major chord pop hits to not be dark while you may think that the chord has nothing to do with its "darkness".
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