reidster
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Post by reidster on Aug 19, 2013 18:15:02 GMT -5
he rarely writes his own songs Boy, oh, boy. Even if this were true, why does that matter? I hate when people trot this out as an excuse to discredit someone and the success they are having. I understand songwriting is an extremely difficult craft, and those that master songwriting and create their own songs certainly deserve credit and the success they may have. That said, those that instead prefer, or rely on, outside writers are not less talented nor are they less deserving. If every artist wrote their own material, where would that leave career songwriters? ??? Not being able to write songs, by definition, makes them less talented in that area. Also, I should add you are using many logical argumentative fallacies in your response here. It appears that you try to get the reader to agree with you ("I understand songwriting is an extremely difficult craft") and then say something completely opposite, but think that because your audience agreed with you on the first statement, they will continue to agree with you. What is required to achieve this "extremely difficult craft"? Talent. Of course, no one is arguing that vocal ability is deemed void if someone cannot write songs. Rather, many (including myself) believe that what makes a great overall artist includes the ability to write songs; and, by extension, the ability to sing from personal experience and be a better "artist".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 18:29:14 GMT -5
Boy, oh, boy. Even if this were true, why does that matter? I hate when people trot this out as an excuse to discredit someone and the success they are having. I understand songwriting is an extremely difficult craft, and those that master songwriting and create their own songs certainly deserve credit and the success they may have. That said, those that instead prefer, or rely on, outside writers are not less talented nor are they less deserving. If every artist wrote their own material, where would that leave career songwriters? Not being able to write songs, by definition, makes them less talented in that area. Also, I should add you are using many logical argumentative fallacies in your response here. It appears that you try to get the reader to agree with you ("I understand songwriting is an extremely difficult craft") and then say something completely opposite, but think that because your audience agreed with you on the first statement, they will continue to agree with you. What is required to achieve this "extremely difficult craft"? Talent. Of course, no one is arguing that vocal ability is deemed void if someone cannot write songs. Rather, many (including myself) believe that what makes a great overall artist includes the ability to write songs; and, by extension, the ability to sing from personal experience and be a better "artist". Yes, they would then of course be less talented songwriters. However, I never specified that. You can have one hell of a songwriter but terrible vocalist, and one outstanding vocalist but horrible songwriter, and they are both still talented in their own ways. I just don't believe that one must write their own material to be considered an excellent artist. You can sing from personal experience and still not be the one writing the song. Many people go through similar experiences, and just because one person is unable to put that situation into song does not mean that, when they sing the words that someone else was able to string together, they are less of an artist. Perhaps we disagree there, and I'm okay with that, but dissecting my posts with terminology such as "logical argumentative fallacies" is not going to get me to agree with you.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Aug 19, 2013 21:00:23 GMT -5
NOW IN: 68.46%
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reidster
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Post by reidster on Aug 20, 2013 8:18:34 GMT -5
Not being able to write songs, by definition, makes them less talented in that area. Also, I should add you are using many logical argumentative fallacies in your response here. It appears that you try to get the reader to agree with you ("I understand songwriting is an extremely difficult craft") and then say something completely opposite, but think that because your audience agreed with you on the first statement, they will continue to agree with you. What is required to achieve this "extremely difficult craft"? Talent. Of course, no one is arguing that vocal ability is deemed void if someone cannot write songs. Rather, many (including myself) believe that what makes a great overall artist includes the ability to write songs; and, by extension, the ability to sing from personal experience and be a better "artist". Yes, they would then of course be less talented songwriters. However, I never specified that. You can have one hell of a songwriter but terrible vocalist, and one outstanding vocalist but horrible songwriter, and they are both still talented in their own ways. I just don't believe that one must write their own material to be considered an excellent artist. You can sing from personal experience and still not be the one writing the song. Many people go through similar experiences, and just because one person is unable to put that situation into song does not mean that, when they sing the words that someone else was able to string together, they are less of an artist. Perhaps we disagree there, and I'm okay with that, but dissecting my posts with terminology such as "logical argumentative fallacies" is not going to get me to agree with you.No one disputes the claim that both vocalists and songwriters are talented. I am suggesting that to be able to do both makes one more talented, in the sense that they are talented at more things. To me, the better artist is the one who has more talent. And, let's be clear, I am not trying to get you to agree with me. I am pointing out the logical flaws in your argument, and presenting my disagreements with your statements.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2013 8:31:33 GMT -5
Holy smokes, Luke's sales. :o
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2013 8:34:20 GMT -5
No one disputes the claim that both vocalists and songwriters are talented. I am suggesting that to be able to do both makes one more talented, in the sense that they are talented at more things. To me, the better artist is the one who has more talent. I partly agree. That makes sense, in theory. However, when you take that and apply that, I feel you lose some credibility. Katy Perry does both, and yet I would never claim she's more talented than Whitney Houston, who "only" does one. However, I feel that we have strayed from what my main post meant to cover: I feel that those who "just" sing - like they claimed Luke Bryan "just" does, despite the fact that he cowrote the majority of every album before this - deserve as much success as those who can do both. Also, side note, I love your avatar.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Aug 20, 2013 8:55:56 GMT -5
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Aug 20, 2013 14:11:31 GMT -5
NOW IN: FINAL
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Post by when the pawn... on Aug 20, 2013 14:14:35 GMT -5
Wow! Will have to wait for Soundscan to see if he beats Jay-Z!
Adele almost out of top 50 for first time in 2.5 years!
Kanye out of the top 50 already. The VMA performance better be good!
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Nick
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Post by Nick on Aug 20, 2013 14:41:12 GMT -5
Luke Bryan has 3 albums in the Top 50! Wow.
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Post by Kris on Aug 20, 2013 14:43:00 GMT -5
Am I reading #47 correctly? Ocean Avenue was releases yeaarrrrrssssssssssss ago. Why would they release it as an acoustic album now?
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 20, 2013 14:56:40 GMT -5
^The same reason they release anniversary editions and such- more cash. That is one fine opening for Mr. Thomas Luther "Luke" Bryan's album.
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Post by jma on Aug 20, 2013 21:43:22 GMT -5
Lana back in the top 20 :)
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