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Post by someguy on Apr 23, 2014 17:27:19 GMT -5
D+S re-entering next week would just look so ridiculous. I really hope that it doesn't happen. Nothing against them or the song (I'm fairly neutral on both) , but that would be a further embarrassment for the charts.
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Post by Libra on Apr 24, 2014 16:01:59 GMT -5
I feel like my reply belongs more here than it does in Keith's thread because of where I'm going with it... It's also definitely possible that D+S could re-enter the Billboard chart if they gain enough this week (I don't know what BB's policy is there...does a song have to gain a certain quantity/amount? Not sure) but that would require an extra day of treading water and quite frankly I'm surprised that their song has been able to hang on as long as it has...they've been treading water basically all month. Having no idea what BB's rule was, I checked...if D+S were to be at least #10 in both spins/audience, would they be a lock to re-enter, I wonder? It begs the question of what other song(s), if any, have done that - went recurrent, only to come back veritably because they disqualified themselves from recurrent status by pushing themselves to rank too high for it. Presumably as a song that either hadn't yet hit the Top 10 or, say, had peaked at #10, fallen, only to return to 10.
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Post by someguy on Apr 24, 2014 18:24:53 GMT -5
Not sure about other genres, but that has never happened on Billboard's country airplay chart before.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 18:45:07 GMT -5
Not sure about other genres, but that has never happened on Billboard's country airplay chart before. I was pretty sure this was the case. I think for D+S to be a re-entry on the Billboard chart, they would have to be #10 in audience...#10 in spins only won't do it. But I think if they have a small audience gain and manage to stay in front of Keith and Justin by even a very slim margin, Billboard would probably re-enter the song at #10, even if they were 11th or lower in spins. So long as they were #10 in audience--with a net gain for the week--they could re-enter. Edited to clarify: I think they would be eligible to re-enter the chart in the ^above scenario, but would Billboard grant re-entry? That I'm not sure of. This is definitely a very strange situation, one that I've never seen before.
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Post by rbundy1987 on Apr 24, 2014 21:25:24 GMT -5
I am now doubting this will re-enter because it did not have a good day wise on spins and lost some audience, not much but still lost instead of gained today. It still has some time to recover but Sunday is getting to be upon us again and if it is without a bullet for sure it could go recurrent on Mediabase. Tomorrow's and Saturday's update are CRITICAL for this song, especially tomorrow. I give it a 10% chance now of making a re-entry on Billboard or 40% staying on Mediabase. We'll see.
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Post by countrysuperfan on Apr 25, 2014 4:45:39 GMT -5
I think they shouldn't care less about country airplay chart positions and move onto the next single. The country airplay chart is pretty meaningless when you see most no.1s are just manipulated there by the labels. The real superstars of the genre - Garth, Shania, Taylor didn't care less about this chart and if D&S want a huge crossover market then they really shouldn't be too worried either. They have plenty potential at cross format appeal, and I'm sure this year will see them take that next step.
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Post by rbundy1987 on Apr 25, 2014 7:16:36 GMT -5
It's alive!!! #10 now on Mediabase and the bullet is back and over 100!!! But audience is below Keith Urban's "Cop Car"!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 20:59:06 GMT -5
It's alive!!! #10 now on Mediabase and the bullet is back and over 100!!! But audience is below Keith Urban's "Cop Car"!! Yes, I think perhaps you spoke too soon yesterday :) They had a very small loss in audience in yesterday's update, but even including the negative, the result was still a net gain for Monday-Wednesday. And the bullet was negative yesterday but it had been coming up steadily since the weekend. I'm not convinced this will re-enter on Billboard, mostly because Keith Urban seems likely to pass them there, and I don't know that BB would re-enter D+S just for another week at #11. But if they can keep the points lead for just 2 more updates, they'll finish the week with a #10 spot on Mediabase, and I suspect that's what they are going for. After all, D+S gained 67 spins today but only 67k in audience. And the MB points system seems to place more emphasis on spins. Keith, meanwhile, gained only 16 spins, but 451k in audience...and of course audience is more important at Billboard.
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Post by churchchoir on Apr 27, 2014 0:29:31 GMT -5
Well, this final push was kind of a waste, since "19 You + Me" is going to just spend another week at #11. Dan and Shay lost 15 spins last Sunday, so to get a negative spins bullet they'd have to lose 52 spins in tomorrow's update, but of course they might already be translating to a points loss on Mediabase. We'll see tomorrow.
I guess I hope this does go recurrent on Mediabase tomorrow, because if it doesn't Dan and Shay are going to have three long weeks of snowballing (a term jhomes87 coined in the "More Than Miles" thread a few months ago, which I now love :)) ) ahead. I have to admit that I was rooting for Dan and Shay to get the top 10 spot this week since Keith Urban probably has a few weeks of life left in his song anyway and Dan and Shay are a new group who really need this top 10 peak to build momentum, since radio doesn't appear to be warming up to their music as much as the digital crowd is.
It's hard to believe that this only peaked a few spaces higher than "Could It Be" even though CIB had way worse digital sales, and that "Helluva Life" went all the way to #1 with much worse digital sales as well. Maybe Dan and Shay are too polarizing for country radio? I sure hope not, because I really love this duo. Vocals are amazing and I find a lot of their songs really relatable. They're not exactly very country sounding but that hasn't stopped radio from playing a ton of other artists whose music has much less substance in the past, so I really hope their next single ("What You Do to Me" if my prayers are answered) is a hit, which I'm confident it will be if Warner plays their cards right.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2014 0:48:23 GMT -5
I think this can lose enough spins to go recurrent tomorrow. Firstly, like churchchoir noted above, if this barely manages to re-bullet, it would then snowball hard for 2 weeks, and likely fall way below the top 30 at MB before it went recurrent. I can't imagine that would look good in the eyes of Warner Bros. And with this song being all but done, Warner Bros. might also want it to go recurrent to allow some of their other artists' songs an additional spot to move up. So for all we know, their promo teams might have been out there today urging radio to let go of "19 You + Me" and instead give those spins to other WB artists. Secondly, their losses have slowly been escalating over the last couple of days. They had a few small gains early in the week, mostly spins with little added audience, but Thursday's update was -48 spins and -180k, and then after a last gasp gain in yesterday's update--grabbing the #10 spot for one day--D+S lost 24 spins and 290k today. And so I have a hunch that the drop will be even sharper tomorrow morning. Their bullet was 119 in yesterday's update, and it came all the way down to 36 in today's update. I imagine that Warner Bros. has seen the writing on the wall by now, so my guess would be that they officially pulled support for this either late yesterday or this morning, which is why I think we could see a steeper loss for this one tomorrow...enough of a loss to cause it to lose its bullet and be sent recurrent. ETA: Well, all my speculation was wrong...again. D+S gains almost 100k this morning, and has a bullet of +59 for the week. They are still stuck at #11 though. But this won't go recurrent on Mediabase. I still doubt it will re-enter at Billboard, but since it re-bulleted it should get at least 3 more chart weeks at MB, including Monday night's published chart.
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Post by rbundy1987 on Apr 27, 2014 9:08:55 GMT -5
This song, as much as I like it, and hope it would've made the top ten on both Billboard and Mediabase, this should have just called it a day and just leave because all this song is going to do is take up space on songs trying to move up or even debut. Instead of 3 songs leaving later today on Mediabase, now it's only 2, Tim McGraw's "Lookin' For That Girl" and Blake's recent #1 hit "Doin' What She Likes". This song did well to make it all the way to #11, now it's time to let it go and release that second single. Then again, it wouldn't surprise me to see this song start to wake up again for a brief time and try to make the top ten and rise up to #7 before dropping. Warner Bros. evidently is not done with this song for the duo. We'll see what they have in store for this in the days to come.
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Post by CoJoFan on Apr 27, 2014 18:24:30 GMT -5
Not sure about other genres, but that has never happened on Billboard's country airplay chart before. It happened back in 2009 everyone. Gloriana's song Wild At Heart went recurrent after it made it to the Top 20 then reentered in the Top 20!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2014 18:39:03 GMT -5
Not sure about other genres, but that has never happened on Billboard's country airplay chart before. It happened back in 2009 everyone. Gloriana's song Wild At Heart went recurrent after it made it to the Top 20 then reentered in the Top 20! I don't think that's exactly what someguy and Libra were referring to. I think we're all aware that several songs have gone recurrent only to re-enter a week or so later and continue their climbs, but I think the specific focus here was on whether or not a song had gone recurrent from #11 only to come back and challenge for a re-entry with the #10 spot as a reward. And that has never happened before, and it looks like it will stay that way. "19 You + Me" is almost completely flat for the week. Since Monday this one is down 68k on Mediabase. It managed to gain some spins and get its bullet back, therefore buying itself at least an additional 3 chart weeks at MB (including tomorrow's published chart), but I don't think it did enough to warrant a re-entry on the Billboard chart. And even if BB were to re-enter it, it would not be at #10. I'm 98% certain that the #10 spot will belong to Keith Urban tomorrow night, so D+S would only be back on at #11, or possibly even #12 since Justin Moore is projecting to a close audience total and could grab the #11 spot instead. But I don't think D+S will re-enter, so Keith should be #10 with Justin at #11, and then The Band Perry and Craig Campbell after that.
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Post by rsmatto on Apr 28, 2014 15:36:55 GMT -5
It stays at #11 on Mediabase but does NOT return to Billboard this week.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2014 16:53:48 GMT -5
It stays at #11 on Mediabase but does NOT return to Billboard this week. That's because it had a net loss in audience for the week. Down over 600k on Mediabase since last week at this time; there was no reason for Billboard to re-enter it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2014 17:04:10 GMT -5
That's because it had a net loss in audience for the week. Down over 600k on Mediabase since last week at this time; there was no reason for Billboard to re-enter it. They could return it to the chart this week and pull it again next week like the stupid move they pulled with "Sober". But they didn't. Matt just confirmed that. And this song lost a huge chunk of audience today, and that's not to mention that their label just announced the next single. This one's done, and Billboard won't be fooled again like they were with "Sober". Look for this to snowball pretty hard in the coming days.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Apr 28, 2014 20:18:21 GMT -5
Certified Gold by the RIAA.
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Post by churchchoir on Apr 28, 2014 20:40:44 GMT -5
Very effective ad in Country Aircheck Weekly. Hopefully it'll make PDs realize that they aren't playing Dan and Shay's music as much as their listeners probably want them to be. It's very strange how country radio seems to try to break so many new artists and help along the folks like Eric Paslay who don't have much fan support but they give a really popular duo with a good bit of star potential a harder time. I usually would say a #11 peak for a debut single is really good, but when you look at the other artists who have gone top 20 with their debut singles (Charlie Worsham, the Farm, and the Henningsens) without much fan support, it seems like 19 You + Me should have at least scraped the top 10. But after seeing that ad, I have a feeling "Show You Off" will end up being a big hit. Let's just hope it's not a 30-40 week climb.
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Post by rsmatto on Apr 28, 2014 22:34:18 GMT -5
^ Yup and the next single should do very well. This isn't unlike the Hunter Hayes "Storm Warning"/"Wanted" chart run/sales run.
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Post by Zazie on Apr 29, 2014 10:17:14 GMT -5
I have a question about the MB chart rules that I haven't seen answered up above. Now that Dan + Shay are falling very hard, will MB pull them this coming week, or give them two drop weeks because they had a bullet on the current MB chart (as of this past Sunday's cut-off) -- I'm wondering whether the recent bullet re-sets the clock at zero drop weeks, or if they would realize that two more chart weeks for this song will not serve any purpose. I don't know what the technical rule is and I don't know if they'd suspend it based on common sense -- I believe I've seen songs in this situation get pulled, but I'm not positive.
Thank you, MB experts.
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Post by churchchoir on Apr 29, 2014 10:28:04 GMT -5
^I'm not sure how consistent Mediabase is at following their own rules, but I'm pretty sure their official policy is to give a song three consecutive drop weeks before pulling it, so Dan and Shay have a full three weeks of snowballing to look forward to.
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 29, 2014 12:51:00 GMT -5
^I'm not sure how consistent Mediabase is at following their own rules, but I'm pretty sure their official policy is to give a song three consecutive drop weeks before pulling it, so Dan and Shay have a full three weeks of snowballing to look forward to. Being someone who stubbornly still follows the Mediabase chart, including back in the great R&R days, the rule is it must have three consecutive bulletless weeks before being sent recurrent. So if a single regains it's bullet, it's back to square one. Unfortunately this kind of unique scenario is not going to look good here with "19 You + Me" now falling fast. The question is how far will they fall?
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Post by skizzo on Apr 29, 2014 19:37:30 GMT -5
I really like this song, sounds like something One Direction might do, only good.
Also they immediately struck me as 2 dudes, never heard of a female Shay/Shea, only males. Its an irish male name.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 20:01:12 GMT -5
^I'm not sure how consistent Mediabase is at following their own rules, but I'm pretty sure their official policy is to give a song three consecutive drop weeks before pulling it, so Dan and Shay have a full three weeks of snowballing to look forward to. Being someone who stubbornly still follows the Mediabase chart, including back in the great R&R days, the rule is it must have three consecutive bulletless weeks before being sent recurrent. So if a single regains it's bullet, it's back to square one. Unfortunately this kind of unique scenario is not going to look good here with "19 You + Me" now falling fast. The question is how far will they fall? I think you are right--I expect that MB will follow their own rules and allow this 2 more chart appearances, even though that would mean 4 out of 5 bullet-less weeks, but really 5 out of 6 since this won't go recurrent 'til Sunday the 18th (making for the 5th Sunday out of 6 that this song posted a net loss for the week). It took a hard hit today already, and I think it might fall well below the top 30 before it's pulled. I know "Lookin' For That Girl" fell below the top 40 before it went recurrent.
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Post by Zazie on May 1, 2014 13:05:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the rules-related comments. I have a feeling the song will be pulled this coming Sunday, or the Sunday after, but I am probably wrong.
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Post by Marv on May 1, 2014 19:09:18 GMT -5
This will go recurrent on May 18th; Randy Houser departs this Sunday, followed by Jerrod Neimann, Sheryl Crow and possibly Sara Evans on Mother's Day.
I also expect Eric Church to reach the penthouse come Saturday morning if not tomorrow, which means that 'Bottoms Up' will go recurrent on May 18th @ Mediabase; 'Rewind' also appears to be on life support as well, and could conceivably go recurrent later this month, although I don't expect that staggering one week drop of 2,620 spins for 'Come Wake Me Up' to be matched, although several songs have lost over 2,000 spins in a single week over the past 2-3 years.
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Post by Zazie on May 2, 2014 9:02:51 GMT -5
If you say so, I'll be on the lookout for the entertaining chart run of Dan + Shay. The song lost about 3 mill overnight just this morning. It's got about 27 million now and it's falling at an enormous rate, so this should be ugly. I know there's no such thing as a "negative audience," but if it were possible, this would be it.
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Post by country374 on May 2, 2014 23:40:12 GMT -5
Not country at all. But with pop beats and a good looking boy band, sure to be a hit with the teenage girl crowd.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2014 1:27:16 GMT -5
Not country at all. But with pop beats and a good looking boy band, sure to be a hit with the teenage girl crowd. A little late to the party! ;) This one is already done and is now falling down the charts quickly. It peaked at #11 on both Mediabase and Billboard. Welcome to Pulse, though!
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Post by joey2002 on May 18, 2014 14:41:09 GMT -5
If you say so, I'll be on the lookout for the entertaining chart run of Dan + Shay. The song lost about 3 mill overnight just this morning. It's got about 27 million now and it's falling at an enormous rate, so this should be ugly. I know there's no such thing as a "negative audience," but if it were possible, this would be it. Well, "19 You + Me" made it all the way down to #40 on Mediabase. I think falling from 11 to 40 before going recurrent is one of the biggest drops I've seen in recent years.
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