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Post by Green Baron on Mar 11, 2014 18:42:46 GMT -5
Going further back I think the only songs I dislike as much as Heaven Knows from this decade is Criticize and Porn Star Dancing I don't hate it that much but I honestly think this should be an Alt hit instead of an Active one because it's far lighter than most of the Active chart right now. What's stopping this from having success on Alt?
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Post by Devin on Mar 11, 2014 18:57:01 GMT -5
Heaven Knows: A- Shepherd of Fire: B- Tired: A Battle Born: B- Deal With the Devil: F Lola Montez: B+ Never Never: D Hail to the King: A+ Misery Loves My Company: B- Lift Me Up: D Trenches: D Stone: A+ The Hangman's Body Count: A+ Vilify: D By Crooked Steps: C+ The High Road: A Where Did the Angels Go? B-
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Post by Walking Contradiction on Mar 11, 2014 19:02:41 GMT -5
I find the lack of attention at Alternative to be a headscratcher myself. I admittedly don't pay that much attention to Active Rock anymore, but was pleasantly surprised by this song when I heard it on the radio, and even more surprised to see it was #1 on Active but not charting on Alternative. Even as someone who's generally in favor of the current divide between the two formats, I see no reason why this wouldn't fit on Alternative. I would suggest that maybe the Alternative base is more put off by the Gossip Girl connection, but then again an American Idol coronation song managed to go top 40 there.
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Post by Cody on Mar 11, 2014 21:48:40 GMT -5
Heaven Knows - B+ Shepherd of Fire - F Tired: B- Battle Born: C+ Deal With the Devil: C Lola Montez: B+ Never Never: D+ Hail to the King: C- Misery Loves My Company: A- Lift Me Up: B Trenches: B Stone: C The Hangman's Body Count: B+ Vilify: C- By Crooked Steps: D+ The High Road: A+ Where Did the Angels Go? C
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Post by jvandyck87 on Mar 11, 2014 22:00:32 GMT -5
Heaven Knows: B- Shepherd of Fire: B- Tired: A- Battle Born: B Deal With the Devil: C Lola Montez: C- Never Never: B+ Hail to the King: B Misery Loves My Company: B+ Lift Me Up: D Trenches: D+ Stone: A The Hangman's Body Count: A Vilify: D By Crooked Steps: A The High Road: C+ Where Did the Angels Go? B
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Mar 11, 2014 22:47:07 GMT -5
Heaven Knows: C- Shepherd of Fire: B+ Tired: B+ Battle Born: B Deal With the Devil: C+ Lola Montez: B+ Never Never: B Hail to the King: A- Misery Loves My Company: B+ Lift Me Up: B+ Trenches: C+ Stone: A The Hangman's Body Count: A- Vilify: B- By Crooked Steps: A- The High Road: A- Where Did the Angels Go: B I'm glad this isn't charting on Alternative. This is a very weak song IMO. Also, I'm kind of disappointed at a lot of the low grades here. I never really understood the hate for Device, Five Finger Death Punch, and Korn's newer stuff. I'll gladly take them over half the bands on Alternative. And Cody, I didn't know you hated "Shepherd of Fire" THAT much.
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Post by Pipa on Mar 12, 2014 10:04:59 GMT -5
Heaven Knows: A Shepherd of Fire: A+ Tired: B+ Battle Born: C Deal With the Devil: D Lola Montez: B+ Never Never: B Hail to the King: A Misery Loves My Company: B+ Lift Me Up: D Trenches: B- Stone: A The Hangman's Body Count: A+ Vilify: B- By Crooked Steps: B+ The High Road: A- Where Did the Angels Go: C
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Post by Lordef†ones on Mar 12, 2014 15:38:53 GMT -5
Device are a little too similar to Disturbed, but I still like them. As for Korn and FFDP, their new stuff pales in comparison to their old stuff.
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Post by Cody on Mar 12, 2014 16:22:44 GMT -5
Heaven Knows: C- Shepherd of Fire: B+ Tired: B+ Battle Born: B Deal With the Devil: C+ Lola Montez: B+ Never Never: B Hail to the King: A- Misery Loves My Company: B+ Lift Me Up: B+ Trenches: C+ Stone: A The Hangman's Body Count: A- Vilify: B- By Crooked Steps: A- The High Road: A- Where Did the Angels Go: B I'm glad this isn't charting on Alternative. This is a very weak song IMO. Also, I'm kind of disappointed at a lot of the low grades here. I never really understood the hate for Device, Five Finger Death Punch, and Korn's newer stuff. I'll gladly take them over half the bands on Alternative. And Cody, I didn't know you hated "Shepherd of Fire" THAT much. It kept getting worse everytime I heard it, so Im at the point where I can't stand it lol. As for low grades, alot of mine are because of what I feel to be Active's big problem. There are too many metal songs on the format, and it seems most of them are guaranteed to cruise into at least the top 10. Funny how no one brings that up to be completely honest, since everyone rips into the amount of indie on alternative, and here's why it's the same problem. The majority of the active-leaning songs that did well on alternative before the indie takeover were completely or at least somewhat post-grunge. People want these post-grunge songs to succeed on alternative again. It's funny because post-grunge has begun to decline on active as well. I honestly find the increase of metal on active (and keep in mind, today's definition of "metal" covers literally just as wide a range of heavy music as "post-grunge" used to cover rock music) to be just as annoying as many people find the increase of indie on alternative. Post-grunge is the victim on both formats, and despite it traditionally more "rock" leaning than "alternative" leaning, people still insist on alternative being the format that ought to accommodate it. It's just my opinion, but I think the guaranteed top 10 appearances for the likes of A7X, FFDP, Stone Sour, and All That Remains to name a few, and even Alice In Chains and Soundgarden (who I consider to be under the broad definition of "metal" now since have way more in common with the metal bands of today than with the post-grunge bands, unlike their 90s stuff which was post-grunge) is just as annoying to me as a traditional fan of both formats as the indie takeover on alternative is to others. I don't want to have a debate over what constitutes today's metal and what doesn't, that isn't really the point (and besides, "real" metal fans wouldn't even classify the modern mainstream "metal" bands like A7X and FFDP as "real" metal anyways).But anyways, that's why my grades are so low for most of those #1s. And I'm sorry for the bolded text, it isn't directed at anyone specifically, it's mostly emphasize that any debate over what is and isn't subjectively metal in the various opinions of all of the members here is besides my main point.
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Post by Pipa on Mar 12, 2014 17:08:06 GMT -5
Cody likes indie, but not metal. Shocking. More at 11.
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Post by Lordef†ones on Mar 12, 2014 17:55:52 GMT -5
Today we ask the burning question, Is Pop Evil metal? We now go to Cody with the full story.
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Post by Green Baron on Mar 12, 2014 18:15:29 GMT -5
The biggest question is - why does Cody not want Alice in Chains and Soundgarden to do well?
They were never post-grunge - in fact, they were part of the original grunge scene.
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Post by Cody on Mar 12, 2014 19:58:10 GMT -5
Today we ask the burning question, Is Pop Evil metal? We now go to Cody with the full story. This just in, Koinoyokan is putting words in Cody's mouth. More on this story in the 3 AM edition. In a related story, Larry King will join us to discuss the concept of being a smart ass.
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Post by Cody on Mar 12, 2014 20:00:12 GMT -5
The biggest question is - why does Cody not want Alice in Chains and Soundgarden to do well? They were never post-grunge - in fact, they were part of the original grunge scene. Disagree on Soundgarden, somewhat agreed on Alice in Chains. Oh, and because the success they get is an insult to their far superior 90s material .
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Post by Green Baron on Mar 12, 2014 20:01:29 GMT -5
In other news, Cody is the only person not to give Stone an A+ or A. Disagree on Soundgarden, somewhat agreed on Alice in Chains. Oh, and because the success they get is an insult to their far superior 90s material . Which charted decently in its own right. "No Excuses" went #1, while "I Stay Away", "Rooster", "Down in a Hole", "Got Me Wrong", "Grind", "Heaven Beside You", "Over Now", "Again" and Get Born Again reached the top ten. The singles from Dirt didn't do as well as I hoped (since it is my favorite album of theirs) - The aforementioned two are the only ones that hit the top ten,
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Post by Cody on Mar 12, 2014 20:03:01 GMT -5
Cody likes indie, but not metal. Shocking. More at 11. I was listening to this about 5 minutes before I read your comment, but it was a good try
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Post by Pipa on Mar 12, 2014 20:19:11 GMT -5
Cody likes indie, but not metal. Shocking. More at 11. I was listening to this about 5 minutes before I read your comment, but it was a good try Dude, I know you listen to metal. I was just joking.
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Post by Cody on Mar 12, 2014 20:32:55 GMT -5
I was listening to this about 5 minutes before I read your comment, but it was a good try Dude, I know you listen to metal. I was just joking. I know lol, hence the " " You know what it is, well for me anyway, the smiley on this forum doesn't have the same fun feel as it does on most forums. This one looks really dickish, unlike the one on M4B for example which does a good job to lighten the mood. I know better than to take your jokes seriously buddy, no worries! oh and Lordef†ones, same goes for you, we're cool.
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Post by Pipa on Mar 12, 2014 20:34:29 GMT -5
Dude, I know you listen to metal. I was just joking. I know lol, hence the " " You know what it is, well for me anyway, the smiley on this forum doesn't have the same fun feel as it does on most forums. This one looks really dickish, unlike the one on M4B for example which does a good job to lighten the mood. Proboards does have new smilies you can use, but we're stuck in 2003.
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Post by Cody on Mar 12, 2014 20:38:29 GMT -5
In other news, Cody is the only person not to give Stone an A+ or A. Disagree on Soundgarden, somewhat agreed on Alice in Chains. Oh, and because the success they get is an insult to their far superior 90s material . Which charted decently in its own right. That's my point. I don't find newer Soundgarden and AIC to be all that stellar (unsurprisingly), and their 90s stuff is fantastic, so it just irritates me how their newer stuff shares the same success on Active. That's just my opinion though, I get why lots of people here like them. Hell, I still love several 90s bands as well, so I fully understand the love for their current material.
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Post by Cody on Mar 12, 2014 20:45:57 GMT -5
I know lol, hence the " " You know what it is, well for me anyway, the smiley on this forum doesn't have the same fun feel as it does on most forums. This one looks really dickish, unlike the one on M4B for example which does a good job to lighten the mood. Proboards does have new smilies you can use, but we're stuck in 2003. Yeah. Oh, and you need a new #1. I tend to tell people apart by avatars instead of looking at the username (unless the avatar is unfamiliar to me or changed) I didn't actually notice your post until after the two that followed because the Kongos album cover doesn't stand out in the Night Vision theme and a scrolled right over it "Come With Me Now" is great, but you need a #1 with a more colourful album cover Had we known each other over forums and you had a chart in 2002, and if you perhaps had "You Know You're Right" by Nirvana at #1, I might of thought you died or something.
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Post by Pipa on Mar 12, 2014 20:57:13 GMT -5
Proboards does have new smilies you can use, but we're stuck in 2003. Yeah. Oh, and you need a new #1. I tend to tell people apart by avatars instead of looking at the username (unless the avatar is unfamiliar to me or changed) I didn't actually notice your post until after the two that followed because the Kongos album cover doesn't stand out in the Night Vision theme and a scrolled right over it "Come With Me Now" is great, but you need a #1 with a more colourful album cover Had we known each other over forums and you had a chart in 2002, and if you perhaps had "You Know You're Right" by Nirvana at #1, I might of thought you died or something. That's funny, because with Devin having "Team" as his #1, I mistake him for me circa November. It's not my fault Kongos are monochrome-friendly. I didn't have a chart in 2002, but if I did it'd probably consist of Nickelback, Default, Staind, Theory of a Deadman and company.
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Post by Green Baron on Mar 12, 2014 21:08:01 GMT -5
Yeah. Oh, and you need a new #1. I tend to tell people apart by avatars instead of looking at the username (unless the avatar is unfamiliar to me or changed) I didn't actually notice your post until after the two that followed because the Kongos album cover doesn't stand out in the Night Vision theme and a scrolled right over it "Come With Me Now" is great, but you need a #1 with a more colourful album cover Had we known each other over forums and you had a chart in 2002, and if you perhaps had "You Know You're Right" by Nirvana at #1, I might of thought you died or something. That's funny, because with Devin having "Team" as his #1, I mistake him for me circa November. It's not my fault Kongos are monochrome-friendly. I didn't have a chart in 2002, but if I did it'd probably consist of Nickelback, Default, Staind, Theory of a Deadman and company. I should join in on the whole avatar #1 thing.
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Post by Devin on Mar 12, 2014 21:14:07 GMT -5
That's funny, because with Devin having "Team" as his #1, I mistake him for me circa November. It's not my fault Kongos are monochrome-friendly. Haha, I feel as though we're always exchanging avatars constantly. Beware fellow Pulsers, because "Come With Me Now" may become a #1 on my chart fairly soon.
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Post by Green Baron on Mar 12, 2014 21:23:15 GMT -5
Then again, I do like my Tool artwork avatar...
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Post by Lordef†ones on Mar 12, 2014 21:55:55 GMT -5
I'd join the trend but I kinda do like my Chino-tar
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Post by Pipa on Mar 12, 2014 21:59:27 GMT -5
That's funny, because with Devin having "Team" as his #1, I mistake him for me circa November. It's not my fault Kongos are monochrome-friendly. Haha, I feel as though we're always exchanging avatars constantly. Beware fellow Pulsers, because "Come With Me Now" may become a #1 on my chart fairly soon. From the looks of it, I think Vance Joy will get there first. What was this thread about again? Oh lord, heaven knows...
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Post by Green Baron on Mar 23, 2014 21:08:22 GMT -5
Top 50 on Alt:
55 50 Up this week PRETTY RECKLESS Heaven Knows 139 116 23 0.346
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Post by Superundercover on Apr 13, 2014 21:09:47 GMT -5
Top 40 on Alternative:
46 40 PRETTY RECKLESS Heaven Knows 197 165 32 0.653
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Post by Green Baron on Apr 13, 2014 21:32:18 GMT -5
and with that, the last 3 Active #1s have gone top 40 on Alt
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