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Post by Active Aggressive on May 28, 2015 7:39:59 GMT -5
Pretty Girls in no way, shape, or form samples Madonna. LOL.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 8:11:37 GMT -5
OK thanks. I haven't heard it. I kept the TV on mute when it came on the BMAs. The visuals alone were extremely unappealing.
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Post by Active Aggressive on May 28, 2015 8:14:27 GMT -5
OK thanks. I haven't heard it. I kept the TV on mute when it came on the BMAs. I love when random Madonna songs pop up on my phone. Yesterday, To Have and Not To Hold came on from the brilliant album Ray of Light. Even songs that I don't love have something very special about them. The production is so unique and Madonna sounds so comfortable singing those songs. I know that the album was made at a pivotal moment in her life as she became a mother for the first time.
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Post by Active Aggressive on May 28, 2015 8:15:55 GMT -5
Whenever I see the title of this thread, my jaw drops. I mean...45 #1 Dance Club Hits. Madonna is Queen of the Dance LOL. That is a STUPENDOUS feat.
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Post by josh on May 28, 2015 9:02:31 GMT -5
What was the Madonna forum in the early '00s that had New Orleans Guy and Norig as posters? I had such a big virtual crush on Norig.
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Post by Active Aggressive on May 28, 2015 10:24:41 GMT -5
Shaking and twitching in my seat in the office to BIM. This song...
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 11:14:13 GMT -5
What was the Madonna forum in the early '00s that had New Orleans Guy and Norig as posters? I had such a big virtual crush on Norig. I think it was MadonnaMad. I remember Norig's x-rated gifs!
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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 28, 2015 11:36:35 GMT -5
What was the Madonna forum in the early '00s that had New Orleans Guy and Norig as posters? I had such a big virtual crush on Norig. I think it was MadonnaMad. I remember Norig's x-rated gifs! it was Mmad. But before that forum was MadonnaPower. He was there also before the switch was made.
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Post by Active Aggressive on May 28, 2015 13:54:26 GMT -5
Now playing: Future Lovers. It sounds SO good on my wireless Beats headphones. The panning is fantastic. She needs to make more music with Stuart Price.
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Post by grandelf on May 28, 2015 14:18:35 GMT -5
^Future Lovers is a Mirwais track though. ;)
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 16:05:56 GMT -5
The Rebel Heart era (so far) is a dud. She's made one ghastly career move in every decade of her career and the release strategy for this album was the doozy of this decade. The initial digital release should never have included singles like L4L and GT. And to stubbornly stick with the March release date instead of a rush release (with Grammy week as the very latest time frame for release) was an uber-blunder. Here are her other disasters by decade: 2000s: American Life is not my favorite Madonna album by any means but it's certainly not a bad album. In fact, it was quite daring musically for a dance-pop icon to release a folktronica album. The album would have done just fine critically and commercially had M not added politics to the mix (and that hideous flag video was pouring salt in the wounds). 1990s: As an aficionado of the goddess-like pulchritude of Madonna Louise Veronica, I stared at every page of SEX intently for hours. Those eyes...that nose...the lips...the cheekbones...the jawline...and wait: the BODY! But, aside from the $6M paycheck, did this project really fulfill M on an artistic level? She should have saved the beautiful shots for the cd booklet of the explicit version of Erotica and called it a day. Then the album would have been the monster success it deserved to be without any distractions. And even Body of Evidence might have stood a chance at decent box office figures. But the shadow of SEX loomed over everything M did in 1993. 1980s: This is possibly the worst mistake of her career. What kind of hubris possessed her to believe audiences wanted to see her and Sean Penn in the location period comedy that is Shanghai Surprise? I mean, this was the era of Top Gun. SS was instrumental in dooming M's film career. Although she had successful ensemble films and then Evita, she never recovered from the stain on her thespian rep. If she had only just skipped straight to the genuinely funny Who's That Girl....
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Post by So Pure on May 28, 2015 17:12:10 GMT -5
I think people underestimate the impact MTV had in the past. A new Madonna video/album was an event. She was and forever will be the Queen of MTV. It's not the same anymore, releasing a video on iTunes or YouTube or Vevo. The build up used to be huge! I think that's a big part of why the eras seen so haphazard.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 28, 2015 17:18:26 GMT -5
I think her biggest mistake was releasing American Life - the single - in the US. I think Madonna was the most forward-thinking artist at that time after Ray of Light, Music, and Die Another Day. AL literally killed her career in the US and it never recovered.
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Post by floridagrl on May 28, 2015 17:24:21 GMT -5
Young Rebel Heart in Herb Riitts!!back yard. Miss you Herb!! Miss simplicity!! #directsunlight #film what a beauty!
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 17:44:24 GMT -5
I think her biggest mistake was releasing American Life - the single - in the US. I think Madonna was the most forward-thinking artist at that time after Ray of Light, Music, and Die Another Day. AL literally killed her career in the US and it never recovered. Don't you think it was the AL video that was the mistake? If it had just been a normal M video without anything about war, there would have been no backlash and radio ban. AL is not a great song but it would have done okay I think were it not for the video.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 17:53:03 GMT -5
I think her biggest mistake was releasing American Life - the single - in the US. I think Madonna was the most forward-thinking artist at that time after Ray of Light, Music, and Die Another Day. AL literally killed her career in the US and it never recovered. I disagree. While I do agree AL the single was a huge mistake, I believe her decline on Amer radio/popularity has more to do with age than anything else. Pop music follows a younger generations taste. What kid is going to be into the same artist their parent was? Every pop star faces this during their career, most sooner rather than later. Madonna's career span was exceptionally long and outlasted most everyone's. The other shoe was bound to drop at some point. Some more current pop stars are already facing a decline after a relatively short span. AL may have been a catalyst, but certainly wasn't the reason. EDIT: VeniVidiVici, AL the song just never clicked with the general public. IMO, it was a mess and had zero melody. How do you sing that song in your car going down the road. It was a bold single choice, but just led to nowhere and stalled the era.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on May 28, 2015 17:53:47 GMT -5
I really don't blame AL for Madonna's decline at all. Hung Up was a huge hit!!!!!
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Post by Unhinged on May 28, 2015 17:55:37 GMT -5
It was definitely a combination of the video and the songs lyrical content/message. It was very anti-American at a time when the nation was in a war. Americans are extremely patriotic and I think it was the songs message that ultimately was its demise. The rap didn't help either (though I personally love it). All in all it was a ballsy move considering she could just have done the easy thing and gone right into a feel good dance album. This is why it'll be one of my favorites from her always. It was a statement in a time of chaos.
ETA: I personally don't believe Madonna has made mistakes in her career. She has proven that a legends career will have many ups and downs. The sign of a true great is getting through them.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 28, 2015 17:55:54 GMT -5
I think her biggest mistake was releasing American Life - the single - in the US. I think Madonna was the most forward-thinking artist at that time after Ray of Light, Music, and Die Another Day. AL literally killed her career in the US and it never recovered. Don't you think it was the AL video that was the mistake? If it had just been a normal M video without anything about war, there would have been no backlash and radio ban. AL is not a great song but it would have done okay I think were it not for the video. No I don't think it was because of the video. Die Another Day was a hugely "ahead of its time" "forward-thinking" song. To go from that to American Life was just horrible and embarrassing. Madonna rapping about soy lattes? All those bleeps and blips that were supposed to substitute for a melody? It was just atrocious. And ever since then she hasn't had a solo Top 10 Pop hit. Although I like the album as a whole, just imagine going from Die Another Day to Hung Up. She wouldve destroyed Pop radio.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on May 28, 2015 19:17:37 GMT -5
tonight is the rerun of the Butch, I'm Fallon Madonna episode
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Post by addict03 on May 28, 2015 20:43:10 GMT -5
The Rebel Heart era (so far) is a dud. She's made one ghastly by Babylon toolbar"> career move in every decade of her career and the release strategy for this album was the doozy of this decade. The initial digital release should never have included singles like L4L and GT. And to stubbornly stick with the March release date instead of a rush release (with Grammy week as the very latest time frame for release) was an uber-blunder. Here are her other disasters by decade: 2000s: American Life is not my favorite Madonna album by any means but it's certainly not a bad album. In fact, it was quite daring musically for a dance-pop icon to release a folktronica album. The album would have done just fine critically and commercially had M not added politics to the mix (and that hideous flag video was pouring salt in the wounds). 1990s: As an aficionado of the goddess-like pulchritude of Madonna Louise Veronica, I stared at every page of SEX intently for hours. Those eyes...that nose...the lips...the cheekbones...the jawline...and wait: the BODY! But, aside from the $6M paycheck, did this project really fulfill M on an artistic level? She should have saved the beautiful shots for the cd booklet of the explicit version of Erotica and called it a day. Then the album would have been the monster success it deserved to be without any distractions. And even Body of Evidence might have stood a by Babylon toolbar"> chance at decent box office figures. But the shadow of SEX loomed over everything M did in 1993. 1980s: This is possibly the worst mistake of her career. What kind of hubris possessed her to believe audiences wanted to see her and Sean Penn in the location period comedy that is Shanghai Surprise? I mean, this was the era of Top Gun. SS was instrumental in dooming M's film career. Although she had successful ensemble films and then Evita, she never recovered from the stain on her thespian rep. If she had only just skipped straight to the genuinely funny Who's That Girl.... Re the release date, they went back after the leak and changed the song. Had they released the songs in December after the first leak, then it would have been a very different sounding album. Should they have rush released the album in February after the final leak? Sure. But I feel most of the damage at that point was done. I am now going back to the RH leaks and though initially I did not like the Rebel Heart and Illuminati demos, I now feel they are almost as strong as they final versions. Illuminati I find is stronger in the demo form. We needed another banger on the album as it is quite heavy and mellow overall (though I do love this about this album.) And I LOVE Devil Pray but the demo form has this enchanting quality to it. I wished elements of it were there for the final cut. As for this era, all I asked for was for a great album and tour. So far we have an amazing album with two very solid videos. I have high hopes for this tour. People really hate on alot of the legends at this point. Mariah and Madonna are often seen with such contempt. I don't care for the charts as they have both released solid to great efforts of late with little credit. And that's fine. Service your fans and kick ass. Fall off that stage HUNTY AND GET BACK UP AGAIN YES SLAY QWEEN! #TBT to when this album cover leaked and everyone else was shut down. Arguably one of the best elements to come from this era aside from the near perfect tour.
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Post by seaguy27 on May 28, 2015 22:24:28 GMT -5
I do not think AL killed her radio career, I understand that it seem that way, but if you think about the fact that her next album was after she turned 47 and maybe was finally being aged out of radio( something she delayed more than most). AL single killed further singles from that album but I do not think it had impact on HU. HU just happen to come out at a time she was aging out of top 40 and was a style of song that was not on pop radio at the time, in 2005 it stuck out like a sore thump on top 40. Because it was so great it still did well despite just mediocre radio support.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 28, 2015 22:44:33 GMT -5
A sore thump, lololololol.
As for the demo of Devil Pray, I agree that some elements should have been kept...maybe, cuz the final slays. But the demo, to me, almost has a Lord of the Rings type feel to it. The post-chorus with the folk sound.
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Post by addict03 on May 29, 2015 0:28:26 GMT -5
SPRΞΞ, yes that folk like element is just beautiful. I don't know about it fitting in with the rest of the album. The final cut does fit in so well. What I love most about the Rebel Heart theme is the duality and how this laces itself within most of the songs on the album. Where a song may be more Rebel, there is an undercurrent of Heart and vice-versa. Take Body Shop (one of those classic Madonna gems, she juts slips in on an album, much like Falling Free, Sanctuary, Where Life begins) that is playful and yet has more depth than your typical sex track. I just love the depth on this album. Like much of her best work, there is just so much to uncover and peel away with every listen. I hope the visual theme of the tour has this duality as well. I am imagining a metallic industrial like theme laced in with the lush madator look. Think if the video of Express Yourself had a baby with Living For Love (or This Use To Be My Playground.)
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Post by bat1990 on May 29, 2015 9:39:00 GMT -5
To me, American Life was her last album with AMAZING videos until Rebel Heart.
Die Another Day, the original (cancelled) video for American Life, Hollywood, Me Against the Music, and Love Profusion were all OUT OF THIS WORLD, IMHO. I remember leaving the beach just to go back to our rented house and watch Making the Video for Hollywood.
I found the Confessions, Hard Candy, Celebration, and MDNA videos quite lacking in terms of what she delivered up until that point, but Rebel Heart has reminded me of what she is capable as a visual artist.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 9:43:20 GMT -5
^I agree I loved all the AL videos, they were great quality. I still would have preferred not to see a bloody dismembered body in a pop video though...
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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 29, 2015 10:00:22 GMT -5
Hung Up is pretty iconic tho.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on May 29, 2015 11:05:17 GMT -5
Hung Up is iconic especially the.video. It was everywhere and holds the crown as the most #1 consecutive weeks on MTV's TRL.
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 29, 2015 11:22:50 GMT -5
^Not sure where people get that TRL tidbit from- if you check the records, it was not No. 1 for nearly enough days to challenge for the record. :)
I didn't much care for the "Hollywood" video. "Love Profusion" had pretty moments (she looked great), but also not a favorite. As for MATM- didn't really love that one, either. The AL video, on the other hand, was a classic Madonna video (both the original edit and the director's cut- perhaps the former was more watchable, though, as it wasn't as explicit as the DC).
The AL song is alright, but it lacked that special universal appeal that the best Madonna songs have. It was too Madonna-centric.
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Post by Unhinged on May 29, 2015 12:09:17 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but this slays:
The "Hung Up" video was and is everything.
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