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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2014 22:10:41 GMT -5
Mariah Carey - Emotions
I feel like it's overlooked since it's squeezed in between her massive debut and her biggest worldwide record to date (Music Box). I'd rank it as her second best album only behind Daydream.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Mar 27, 2014 0:22:01 GMT -5
I think Tusk has a pretty good reputation. Better now than when it was released, but still. Yeah the " Tusk is as good as/better than Rumours" movement is a fairly recent phenomenon
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Post by Lahey's Lucky Star on Mar 27, 2014 1:55:57 GMT -5
Hilary Duff "Dignity". I think the electronic sound (which wasn't popular at the time, but was two years later) along with more mature themes meant many of her younger fans were alienated and an older demographic wouldn't take Lizzie McGuire seriously. A**holes! Lol, this was basically the same dilemma with Miley's Can't Be Tamed album: considered a stepping stone for Miley at the time (and IMO moreso than Bangerz), yet the new image with the sexier style and the leather wasn't appealing to the kids who knew her as Hannah Montana and wasn't much for an older audience, let alone that the second single didn't do ANYTHING on radio. And keep in mind that Hannah Montana was still going when she released it. At least Unbroken and Stars Dance helped break the Disney curse of a less-than-stellar review of an album due to their transitioning out of the Disney phase.
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Mar 27, 2014 6:43:23 GMT -5
No, that's not true of Miley. She was grinding on stripper poles before Can't Be Tamed came out.
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Post by Rocky on Mar 27, 2014 8:00:23 GMT -5
Carly Rae Jepsen-Kiss[Everybody was sidetracked at the time two years ago by "Call Me Maybe",But the album has a lot of great fun pop tracks,It's album that should of done better] Beyonce-4[Doesn't top her current album which is too good,but this one is way underrated,Good R&B tracks on this one] This. Especially the first one. It should have been massive. They just didn't promote it well, not in the right way and the right time. Such a shame.
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Post by Almost Honest on Mar 29, 2014 11:57:07 GMT -5
Hilary Duff "Dignity". I think the electronic sound (which wasn't popular at the time, but was two years later) along with more mature themes meant many of her younger fans were alienated and an older demographic wouldn't take Lizzie McGuire seriously. A**holes! Gotta second this. It is ironic that if it came out just two years later it really would've fit in with the electropop sound on radio. Listening to "Between You and Me" and the other songs on the album I'm surprised that it still really holds up well. Might want to make a mention for Natalie Maine's Mother album that came out last year. She kinda gets the double-edged sword because I can see why the rock genre wouldn't think someone who was a country artist would fit in the format and the album was too rock to fit in any other format. While I agree it's a lot more somber than I would've liked I think songs like "I'd Run Away" and "Come Cryin' To Me" show it deserved at least a mention.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2014 16:37:11 GMT -5
No More Drama- Mary J. Blige Lots of her fans dislike this album. Maybe it's the nostalgia factor but after her first three, this is my favorite album from her. There's some fluff (like that awful track with Eve) but it also has some of my favorite songs by her (Family Affair, Steal Away, No More Drama, Keep It Movin, Crazy Games)
Basic Instinct- Ciara This is admittedly a pretty lukewarm album but I think it's iconic flopping eclipsed some of the gems. Ride, Wants For Dinner, Heavy Rotation, Speechless and even Cici's take on electropop Turn It Up are all pretty good tracks.
Human- Brandy The biggest problem with this album is that is almost 100% self-help, inspirational songs, which makes it monotonous. But they are mostly good. I don't even think it's THAT poppy, which is what a lot of her fans hated about the album. I actually like it more than Afrodisiac for the most part.
4- Beyonce This is not a flop album. This is not a flop album. This is not a flop album. THIS IS NOT A FLOP ALBUM.
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Post by ClevelandRox on Mar 29, 2014 20:37:31 GMT -5
People seem to hate on Femme Fatale a lot, but I really like it and think it's very well executed. Give me well crafted and produced pop music over some white girl dripping tears and slobbering over the mic anyday. I don't know what the people that bitch about it wanted. It's by far her strongest album quality wise (even though I'm more a sucker for Britney still, just for my life then and how it affected me). I do wish we got some of what FF originally was, but it's such an amazing album. Inside Out should've been a single though. >
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Mar 30, 2014 14:26:37 GMT -5
Bionic is a fair one to mention, it has some really great moments. It just feels directionless. There are pockets of songs that go quite well together, but as a larger piece, it's a mess.
It needed some serious editing i.e. about half of the songs cut - Desnudate, L&G/Glam, Primadonna and then I Hate Boys onwards (save Birds of Prey) - none of them needed to be there.
The album actually feels like a mass of session recordings. Like they decided against releasing it and all of them leaked anyway. Think it was just one big label fuck up, they should have let Christina do her thing and then edited her down a bit.
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Post by vipanonymous on Mar 30, 2014 17:23:03 GMT -5
Christina Aguilera - Bionic Kelly Clarkson - My December Janet Jackson - Damita Jo Mariah Carey - E=MC² Gwen Stefani - The Sweet Escape Avril - Goodbye Lullaby Ciara - Ciara
So many albums...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2014 13:07:26 GMT -5
Bionic is a fair one to mention, it has some really great moments. It just feels directionless. There are pockets of songs that go quite well together, but as a larger piece, it's a mess. It needed some serious editing i.e. about half of the songs cut - Desnudate, L&G/Glam, Primadonna and then I Hate Boys onwards (save Birds of Prey) - none of them needed to be there. The album actually feels like a mass of session recordings. Like they decided against releasing it and all of them leaked anyway. Think it was just one big label f**k up, they should have let Christina do her thing and then edited her down a bit. I liked about half of "Bionic," but the missteps are hideous (I Hate Boys, My Girls). The vocals and production is pretty great, but it still felt like the album was going in several different directions.
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Post by maine on Apr 10, 2014 20:02:49 GMT -5
Anything by Nickelback. They tend to get so much crap, but I think they are one of the better rock bands around in this generation.
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Post by Ballroom Blitzed on Apr 12, 2014 16:42:33 GMT -5
Anything by Nickelback. They tend to get so much crap, but I think they are one of the better rock bands around in this generation. That probably says more about the state of rock music in the past fifteen years than it does about Nickelback.
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Post by Glove Slap on Apr 13, 2014 8:52:23 GMT -5
I have to agree on Nickelback. I'm not personally a fan of the majority of their work, but I've always been surprised at the massive hate surrounding them simply because I've always seen them as too safe to really generate a massive personal reaction from either the negative or positive side.
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Post by Ballroom Blitzed on Apr 13, 2014 14:22:41 GMT -5
I think it's the fact that they're so unimaginably mediocre and inoffensive, but they still managed to become the biggest band in the world.
There's also a degree of resentment over the fact that they're pretty much the last really big rock band to break out like that. I imagine that breeds a lot of resentment in rock fans; I'm definitely aware of a perception that, in being so bland and so safe and so po-faced, Nickelback and their assorted copycats might have contributed to the decline of rock's mainstream profile.
Personally, I can see where they're coming from, but I think the decline of rock and roll in the early 2000s was just the culmination of a decade-long rejection of the rockstar persona and image which began with the emergence of grunge and corresponding breakthrough of alternative music.
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Post by kmbgs on Apr 17, 2014 15:01:01 GMT -5
E=MC^2 is definitely underrated. Full of jams. So is AIEW. It gets maligned by Kelly fans so much and I just don't get it (it's of the same caliber as Stronger and Breakaway to me).
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Post by Snowbeast on Apr 18, 2014 1:01:11 GMT -5
E=MC^2 is definitely underrated. Full of jams. So is AIEW. It gets maligned by Kelly fans so much and I just don't get it (it's of the same caliber as Stronger and Breakaway to me). E=Mc^2 is actually my favorite Mariah record...well maybe just below Memoirs. I know I don't like the "cool" Mariah records, but I find they are the only one's with little to no filler and I can listen straight through.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 16:31:17 GMT -5
I think it's the fact that they're so unimaginably mediocre and inoffensive, but they still managed to become the biggest band in the world. There's also a degree of resentment over the fact that they're pretty much the last really big rock band to break out like that. I imagine that breeds a lot of resentment in rock fans; I'm definitely aware of a perception that, in being so bland and so safe and so po-faced, Nickelback and their assorted copycats might have contributed to the decline of rock's mainstream profile. Personally, I can see where they're coming from, but I think the decline of rock and roll in the early 2000s was just the culmination of a decade-long rejection of the rockstar persona and image which began with the emergence of grunge and corresponding breakthrough of alternative music. I really like your prospective on this, it's interesting. On one hand, I can see why people are annoyed by Nickelback. They tend to take themselves a bit too seriously, and it's shameful that they might be considered "Rock" to some people, simply because they 're labeled as such. Accepting half-baked pop music as Rock because it's basically been phased out is just...wrong. On the other hand, there are plenty of bands that probably qualify as being just as shallow/mediocre as Nickelback; there always has been and always will be artists who are just in it for fame/money. As bad as Nickelback might be to some, they're still out there making money and basking in popularity, though. I can't lay the blame entirely on them, if the people making them so insanely rich are willing to share the blame, too. All that said, Nickelback has basically become the symbol of what's wrong with music in general, but I still believe the consumers only have themselves to blame. The blame for the decline of Rock probably would be blamed on someone else if Nickelback hadn't come along, had massive success, and saw bands follow their lead. So yes, I think they deserve the flack they get, but I blame public interest just as much (if not more), for the whole thing as well.
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Post by Ballroom Blitzed on Apr 20, 2014 18:37:35 GMT -5
Nickelback certainly aren't alone in it. You can lay some of the blame for the decline of rock music at the feet of bands like Creed, the nu metal bands, even Coldplay (who aren't really a rock band, but everyone seems to think they are).
The one thing a lot of people do that I'm exceedingly reluctant to do is to blame other genres for the decline of rock music. I don't think rock became unpopular because hip-hop became popular, for example; rock co-existed with many, many other genres for decades from its inception, and it thrived under those conditions. If you want to pursue that dichotomy, I think it's more realistic to say that hip-hop artists were just better at being rock stars than the actual rock artists.
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Post by Glove Slap on Apr 21, 2014 9:07:37 GMT -5
The thing about rock is that there is no more "mainstream rock" for the youths. The rock that young people listen to are various subgenres that are grouped under "indie" or "alternative".
Since the grunge explosion, there haven't really been bands that openly chased larger than life images and success. If you look at people like Robert Plant, Freddie Mercury, David Lee Roth, etc., they all seem very outdated today and don't have figures in that mold who would fall into the "rock" genre. Blatantly aiming for mass commercial success and stardom isn't seen as cool for acts that want to be considered rock today, while for Hip-Hop & Pop acts that is not the case. This also falls into where each genre draws from. Hip-Hop is generally rooted in more lower-income areas, where success is seen as a way to a better life, whereas "rock" acts today come from a more privileged, usually caucasian background, where goals are more idealistic and introverted.
Whether one thinks positively or negative of this development depends on the individual partially. Objectively speaking though, there is more variety and choice today for young people than ever before though so that is definitely an evolution of sorts.
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Post by jimijoop on Mar 5, 2023 14:08:43 GMT -5
Liz Phair - Liz Phair Beyoncé - 4/I am Sasha Fierce Avril Lavigne - Head above water Marina - Love + Fear Shakira - Shakira Madonna - American life Ashlee Simpson - I am me Backstreet Boys - Never gone
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