14887fan
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 23, 2014 12:48:46 GMT -5
The only things that've become entitled here are your posts. Hide your ego because I sure as hell am not here for it anymore, and I'm thinking others agree with me.
Anyways, back to the things that matter: I thought she said in the RS interview that "Style" isn't about Harry Styles?
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Post by ClevelandRox on Oct 23, 2014 12:49:29 GMT -5
Yes, I knew the "of course he OBVIOUSLY is buying the album durr" posts would ensue as I was typing that. No one is brazen enough to go "I want this to leak right now and I'm not paying for it na-na-na!" And I didn't address it because it literally doesn't matter. Go outside. Go do something. Go wait three days. Your entitlement does not usurp the damage done by the proliferation of music to the masses for free, no matter how small or insignificant you personally think the damage will be. Wanting the album as soon as possible is different than rolling your eyes and putting down the thought of people trying to prevent a leak. We all understand the former. The latter, I think, is really entitled. As if every other piece of music you want isn't on the net eons before its proper release date already.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 12:58:27 GMT -5
There's a rap verse in "Shake It Off"? Not sure what type of rap the "my ex" bit would qualify as, but I guess for some, anything that is spoken qualifies for the label. For me, there has to be a certain rhythm, inflection, and style to earn the label. She just stretchin out her vowels like a cheerleading chant. I guess cheerleaders across America are now part-time rappwrs. Lol In the words of Gloria: "iiif I could reeeeeaaaccchhh highhheeeerrr." Whether or not Taylor is 'rapping' isn't really the point? Not to take away from anyone who believes it isn't a rap (I didn't consider it a rap myself), but obviously kanimal and I are in agreement that the article is extremely flawed, to say the least, and I think getting in a pissing match over what's really a minor detail detracts from the major point. She rapped along to Super Bass before that song had even taken off so this whole 'war' concept is simply incorrect. Taylor is not at war with hip-hop, rap in general, or the concept of hybrid music. There are better ways to sing Taylor's praises than by what that guy did. The swifties need to back the heck up. Every time someone has it they get bombarded not to post a link. So stupid I want to toss them all out a window. We need this now. Sorry, I think you're totally wrong. Why do you "NEED" a collection of songs that you have no intention of paying for to listen to RIGHT NOW instead of just waiting three days for its proper release and it'll be everywhere then? Seriously such an entitled viewpoint. "Need" is overdramatic, sure, but I don't know if it's right to assume that he has no intention of paying for it. I check out leaks all the time even if I plan on buying/have already pre-ordered. People get impatient, that's all.
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Post by theflying on Oct 23, 2014 13:01:56 GMT -5
I know, I know, peoples' impatience >>>>>>>>> sales loss due to leaks (no matter how big or small).
Waiting ~72 hours for something that, once it's out, will always be out, is just brutal. I know.
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Post by Flip on Oct 23, 2014 13:02:37 GMT -5
I know, I know, peoples' impatience >>>>> sales loss due to leaks (no matter how big or small). Taylor will sell enough anyway
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 13:10:54 GMT -5
I know, I know, peoples' impatience >>> sales loss due to leaks (no matter how big or small). Waiting ~72 hours for something that, once it's out, will always be out, is just brutal. I know. I don't know who keeps pissing in your cornflakes but you really need to calm the hell down. You're always irate and borderline impossible to hold a decent conversation with. He's already stated he was overexaggerating, so given that I don't see why you would keep raging as if he actually has any control over whether it actually leaks or not. He can be as impatient as he wants but he can't force anyone to actually put the album up. He can only act on that impatience IF it finally leaks. Same goes for anyone else here who admits to anticipating a leak. And also, if there anyone who is determined to bootleg before purchasing, they will do that whether it comes out three days early or arrives not one second too soon. Leaks really only hurt when they're too early and kill the hype. A leak one weekend before the release wouldn't do that. One week would be kind of problematic. Two or more weeks is not good. Point being you're yelling at the wrong group of people. Well actually the point is you need a f**king quaalude or three but I suspect we'd have to shoot them into you with a bow and arrow before we could get you to calm down and swallow one, and no one cares about your anger anyway, so whatever. Rage on.
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Post by SHOOTER on Oct 23, 2014 13:22:22 GMT -5
I just need this to leak so I can hear it and determine if I love it enough to buy it. Fearless has thus far been the only Taylor album worth my coin.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 13:25:52 GMT -5
Fearless has thus far been the only Taylor album worth my coin. For me it was Speak Now. I haven't bought anything else Taylor's put out.
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Post by theflying on Oct 23, 2014 13:32:03 GMT -5
I know, I know, peoples' impatience > sales loss due to leaks (no matter how big or small). Waiting ~72 hours for something that, once it's out, will always be out, is just brutal. I know. I don't know who keeps pissing in your cornflakes but you really need to calm the hell down. You're always irate and borderline impossible to hold a decent conversation with. He's already stated he was overexaggerating, so given that I don't see why you would keep raging as if he actually has any control over whether it actually leaks or not. He can be as impatient as he wants but he can't force anyone to actually put the album up. He can only act on that impatience IF it finally leaks. Same goes for anyone else here who admits to anticipating a leak. And also, if there anyone who is determined to bootleg before purchasing, they will do that whether it comes out three days early or arrives not one second too soon. Leaks really only hurt when they're too early and kill the hype. A leak one weekend before the release wouldn't do that. One week would be kind of problematic. Two or more weeks is not good. Point being you're yelling at the wrong group of people. Well actually the point is you need a f**king quaalude or three but I suspect we'd have to shoot them into you with a bow and arrow before we could get you to calm down and swallow one, and no one cares about your anger anyway, so whatever. Rage on. Shake it off girl. It's gonna be alright.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Oct 23, 2014 13:32:43 GMT -5
Whether or not Taylor is 'rapping' isn't really the point? Not to take away from anyone who believes it isn't a rap (I didn't consider it a rap myself), but obviously kanimal and I are in agreement that the article is extremely flawed, to say the least, and I think getting in a pissing match over what's really a minor detail detracts from the major point. The article or its subsequent "omg" reaction doesn't really interest me, at all (which is why I didn't address it initially). The idea of Taylor supposedly rapping, did. Simple. We all are not interested in discussing the same things. I, for one, just didn't care to partake in yet another long-winded, racially-driven discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 14:00:18 GMT -5
Whether or not Taylor is 'rapping' isn't really the point? Not to take away from anyone who believes it isn't a rap (I didn't consider it a rap myself), but obviously kanimal and I are in agreement that the article is extremely flawed, to say the least, and I think getting in a pissing match over what's really a minor detail detracts from the major point. The article or its subsequent "omg" reaction doesn't really interest me, at all (which is why I didn't address it initially). The idea of Taylor supposedly rapping, did. Simple. We all are not interested in discussing the same things. I, for one, just didn't care to partake in yet another long-winded, racially-driven discussion. Well few ever want to partake in them (even me, I swear it's not what I live for even if that's what half or more of my post history looks like), but if someone plunks down an article with some questionable, implicitly race-driven comments, it will be a rare moment that I don't call it out. And I think if you don't want to discuss it at all you make it confusing by choosing to address a post that does talk about it, only to pick out the one thing you don't agree with and dismissing any attempt from the other person to get the convo back on track. That's what I mean by distracting - I certainly don't think "well everyone needs to be talking about this! This is absolutely the most important thing about this album release!" Just that, if there is a small group of people who do want to discuss it, let us be. There were other people basically talking around us, presumably because they also didn't care to say anything on it, and I respect that. Not to be clear I also think it's important to separate the article about the artist from the artist herself, which I did (or tried to do) in my other post about it. I have no problems with Taylor. Some of the people who write articles about her on the other hand...those people are a miss for me. So in that sense I feel like it did need to be addressed, if for no other reason than that if there's any chance someone might think that NYT article's views are also Taylor's and/or acceptable for any reason, that chance should be eliminated.
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Post by mamaloveme on Oct 23, 2014 14:01:22 GMT -5
please leak already
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Oct 23, 2014 14:05:56 GMT -5
The article or its subsequent "omg" reaction doesn't really interest me, at all (which is why I didn't address it initially). The idea of Taylor supposedly rapping, did. Simple. We all are not interested in discussing the same things. I, for one, just didn't care to partake in yet another long-winded, racially-driven discussion. Well few ever want to partake in them (even me, I swear it's not what I live for even if that's what half or more of my post history looks like), but if someone plunks down an article with some questionable, implicitly race-driven comments, it will be a rare moment that I don't call it out. And I think if you don't want to discuss it at all you make it confusing by choosing to address a post that does talk about it, only to pick out the one thing you don't agree with and dismissing any attempt from the other person to get the convo back on track. That's what I mean by distracting - I certainly don't think "well everyone needs to be talking about this! This is absolutely the most important thing about this album release!" Just that, if there is a small group of people who do want to discuss it, let us be. There were other people basically talking around us, presumably because they also didn't care to say anything on it, and I respect that. Not to be clear I also think it's important to separate the article about the artist from the artist herself, which I did (or tried to do) in my other post about it. I have no problems with Taylor. Some of the people who write articles about her on the other hand...those people are a miss for me. So in that sense I feel like it did need to be addressed, if for no other reason than that if there's any chance someone might think that NYT article's views are also Taylor's and/or acceptable for any reason, that chance should be eliminated. Where and how did I keep you all from discussing anything or not "leave you be" with the discussion you two were having? I didn't. I took part in a seperate discussion. I suppose only one discussion can be had at a time? I will continue to comment on any piece of information I find in anyone's post that I disagree with when and if I want to, whether or not I intend to address the topic that spawned it or not. Thanks.
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Post by vipanonymous on Oct 23, 2014 14:14:57 GMT -5
It's amazing that this hasn't leaked yet. Congrats @ her team.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 14:19:59 GMT -5
literally starving and too tired to parse where i misinterpreted you or your misinterpreted me but no one said you can't talk about whatever you want. kanimal was mad because you took the conversation in another direction, refused to address what he was actually talking about, and refuse to acknowledge that what you did want to talk about IS related to what the original point of discussion was (thus making it impossible to discuss whether Taylor is rapping in SIO since his only reason for pointing it out was as a correlating point to the race discussion thing). do you not see how that would be frustrating? and it's not like you're the only person who disagreed with that point, bmac did as well. i'm not including bmac in this so it should be clear that i don't care one way or the other about your opinion in itself, just the difficulty that is occurring in keeping the discussion going because you keep shutting it down. maybe what you were trying to say was "i don't really want to jump into the racial aspect of this discussion, but i would hardly consider the breakdwon in SIO a 'rap.'" that makes your stance much clearer and i don't think it should have taken me two (three?) posts to figure that out, but that isn't to say that there was anything wrong with what you said at any point. it was just difficult for me at first to understand why you were jumping in on that topic if you didn't want to be in on it. i already messaged you about something else b/c as soon as i made that post i felt like you would read it the wrong way but at this point you probably think my message is saying something entirely different too so...bleh. eff what theflying says, this album does NEED to leak now. mercury can't get out of retrograde fast enough and we clearly need a distraction we can all agree on. edit: ava. i can't remember your original name. i forgot to quote you. sorry.
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Post by tsr on Oct 23, 2014 14:34:40 GMT -5
Exactly.. why don't the Swifties want to hear new music from her before the official release date? The sooner, the better. I would personally rather wait for the release day; it's what I've done with all of Taylor's albums and for me personally it just further builds upon my excitement. Having said that, I agree that at this point, they should probably just let it leak. It's not like we're a month away from the release date.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 14:38:42 GMT -5
if you are going to buy it, you buy it (leak or not leak). if you are not going to buy it, it doesn't matter if leaks or not. what it's more important is: would it be available for streaming (spotify/rdio/google play) right away? her previous album was not available until 6 months or 1 year after it was released. nowdays, I first like to listen a couple of times before buying. My thoughts exactly. Taylor's fans are a loyal bunch who will buy this regardless of leaks. I don't see the point of holding back on streaming, since there are other, easy available avenues to listen to albums. Might as well put it up now to capitalize on sales ASAP. LOL, of course she denied "Style" is about Harry.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Oct 23, 2014 14:39:17 GMT -5
False alarm. The link that popped up on Twitter turned out to be ArtPOP. lmfao
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Post by matty005 on Oct 23, 2014 15:05:03 GMT -5
Exactly.. why don't the Swifties want to hear new music from her before the official release date? The sooner, the better. I would personally rather wait for the release day; it's what I've done with all of Taylor's albums and for me personally it just further builds upon my excitement. Having said that, I agree that at this point, they should probably just let it leak. It's not like we're a month away from the release date. I don't understand why you think they should let it leak. I understand people wanting it to leak (myself included) but why do you think they should allow it to happen? I don't see any benefit (to Taylor and her team) by them allowing this to happen
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Post by tsr on Oct 23, 2014 15:42:54 GMT -5
I would personally rather wait for the release day; it's what I've done with all of Taylor's albums and for me personally it just further builds upon my excitement. Having said that, I agree that at this point, they should probably just let it leak. It's not like we're a month away from the release date. I don't understand why you think they should let it leak. I understand people wanting it to leak (myself included) but why do you think they should allow it to happen? I don't see any benefit (to Taylor and her team) by them allowing this to happen Maybe I should've phrased my statement a little better. I give props to her team for holding it down the way they have but with the album coming out tomorrow (in some countries, yes?), a lot of fans will have heard the album before Monday anyway. Speak Now and Red leaking five days prior to their release dates didn't hurt them at all. I definitely don't want it to happen though.
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Post by surfy on Oct 23, 2014 16:24:55 GMT -5
I am definitely dying to hear this album!!!! She should really make it available to stream, it can only make her more profits.
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Post by SHOOTER on Oct 23, 2014 16:37:34 GMT -5
Fearless has thus far been the only Taylor album worth my coin. For me it was Speak Now. I haven't bought anything else Taylor's put out. To be fair, I did purchase a few Red tracks but the album as a whole still didn't move me the way Fearless did still does.
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Post by slayZ on Oct 23, 2014 16:50:22 GMT -5
BILLBOARD: Taylor Swift's '1989' Sales Forecast Grows How much will Taylor Swift's 1989 sell in its first week? It's still too early to know if it could hit the milestone million-sold mark, but its forecast is rising notably.
At present, industry sources are forecasting that 1989 (due Oct. 27 on Big Machine Records) could sell between 800,000 and 900,000 copies in its first week (ending Nov. 2). That would easily tally the single largest sales week for any album since March of 2013, when Justin Timberlake's The 20/20 Experiencedebuted with 968,000 sold in its first week, according to Nielsen SoundScan. (1989 would then also likely debut at No. 1 on the Billboard 200 albums chart, giving Swift her fourth chart-topper.) 1989's current sales outlook is an upgrade from the 750,000 mark that prognosticators estimated a week ago (as reported in the Oct. 25 issue of Billboard magazine). The new forecast rises thanks in part to growing preorder numbers, likely associated with the exposure of her new song, "Out of the Woods," which debuts at No. 1 on the Digital Songs chart with 195,000 sold in the week ending Oct. 19. Also helping matters: Swift's new Target ads touting an exclusive version of the album (featuring additional bonus tracks), as well as a new Diet Coke commercial featuring the star. But will 1989 hit the magic million-sales mark? Swift's last two albums, Red(released in 2012) and Speak Now (2010), both sold more than a million copies in their respective first weeks (1.21 million and 1.05 million), making her the only woman to earn two million-selling frames. If 1989 does cross the million threshold, Swift will become the only act to have three million-selling weeks since SoundScan started tracking music sales in 1991. It's a challenge for any act to sell albums today, considering that album sales are down 14 percent compared to a year ago, and down 19 percent versus the same point in 2012 (just before Red was released). In 2014, only one album has sold a million copies so far over the course of the entire year: the Frozensoundtrack, released in late 2013, has sold 3.5 million this year. Comparably, a year ago, there were six million-sellers. What's fairly definite: If 1989 sells close to predictions, it will instantly become the biggest-selling album released in 2014 after only one week on sale. Right now, the biggest seller released in 2014 is Coldplay's Ghost Stories, with 737,000. www.billboard.com/biz/articles/6296380/taylor-swifts-1989-sales-forecast-grows?utm_source=twitterTaylegend don't play. :'(
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Post by Clauss on Oct 23, 2014 16:59:13 GMT -5
Well. When RED was released, they said 850k-950k, then it was 1 million, finally it was 1.1-1.2 million. They always go up, GET THAT MILLION TAY
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Post by slayZ on Oct 23, 2014 17:57:02 GMT -5
Bad Blood and Wildest Dream snippets leaked. So it begins.
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 23, 2014 18:06:39 GMT -5
Wildest Dream snippet > Bad Blood snippet
Both are pretty LQ, but I'm hoping BB is better than what it sounds like from those 10-12 seconds.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Oct 23, 2014 18:07:13 GMT -5
"Bad Blood" sounds incredible.
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Post by brucelover on Oct 23, 2014 18:12:01 GMT -5
Did it leak or not?!
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Post by slayZ on Oct 23, 2014 18:13:14 GMT -5
"Bad Blood" sounds incredible. Bad Blood sounds like something Lorde would do, and it sounds incredible. Wasn't expecting that sound at all.
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Post by Clauss on Oct 23, 2014 18:13:31 GMT -5
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