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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Apr 28, 2014 20:42:42 GMT -5
That donkey has such kind and lovely eyes, I feel bad for thinking that this song makes me want to kick someone's ass...
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Post by McCreerian on Apr 28, 2014 20:47:51 GMT -5
^ I believe they are recycling the same donkey from the "Drink To That All Night" video. In other words Jerrod is using the same ass all over again! Funny I'd rather hear the ass hee-hawing then listen to this song..
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Post by rsmatto on Apr 28, 2014 22:35:39 GMT -5
^ I believe they are recycling the same donkey from the "Drink To That All Night" video. In other words Jerrod is using the same ass all over again! Funny I'd rather hear the ass hee-hawing then listen to this song.. Better get used to it. It's gonna be very popular, methinks.
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Post by McCreerian on Apr 28, 2014 22:46:02 GMT -5
In other words Jerrod is using the same ass all over again! Funny I'd rather hear the ass hee-hawing then listen to this song.. Better get used to it. It's gonna be very popular, methinks. That means I'll just be sticking to my CDs and IPod and keeping my radio off for the foreseeable future. I have maybe turned the radio on once in the last 2 months anyway. I'd rather pick my own music to listen to rather than the junk Corporate radio "thinks" I as a listener wants to hear.
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Post by rsmatto on Apr 28, 2014 22:50:39 GMT -5
Better get used to it. It's gonna be very popular, methinks. That means I'll just be sticking to my CDs and IPod and keeping my radio off for the foreseeable future. I have maybe turned the radio on once in the last 2 months anyway. I'd rather pick my own music to listen to rather than the junk Corporate radio "thinks" I as a listener wants to hear. Well, the average joe schmoe listener will like the song or like it for Summertime nonsensical fun.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Apr 29, 2014 1:03:12 GMT -5
That means I'll just be sticking to my CDs and IPod and keeping my radio off for the foreseeable future. I have maybe turned the radio on once in the last 2 months anyway. I'd rather pick my own music to listen to rather than the junk Corporate radio "thinks" I as a listener wants to hear. Well, the average joe schmoe listener will like the song or like it for Summertime nonsensical fun. And some people won't. It isn't necessary to play devil's advocate every time you see a negative opinion for a song.
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 29, 2014 19:04:12 GMT -5
I can not imagine Jerrod Niemann, in concert saying, 'I am performing my new single, Donkey'. There should be a lot of snickering in the audience. Well let's see...
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Post by Andy on Apr 29, 2014 19:14:40 GMT -5
Better get used to it. It's gonna be very popular, methinks. That means I'll just be sticking to my CDs and IPod and keeping my radio off for the foreseeable future. I have maybe turned the radio on once in the last 2 months anyway. I'd rather pick my own music to listen to rather than the junk Corporate radio "thinks" I as a listener wants to hear. Exactly my sentiments. If country radio ever gets its act together, maybe I'll start paying attention to mainstream country again, but until then, I'm more than happy listening to my personal collection. It pains me to see my favorite genre in such a sad state...
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Post by matty005 on Apr 29, 2014 19:19:50 GMT -5
Well, the average joe schmoe listener will like the song or like it for Summertime nonsensical fun. And some people won't. It isn't necessary to play devil's advocate every time you see a negative opinion for a song. Is it necessary to have posters here who love every single song an artists puts out and defends it to no end? I think both are fine. I find Rsmatto to be one of the most knowledgeable posters we have on here and he provides a different perspective. If you're looking for a board where everyone agrees with every single/album/artist, this isn't it.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Apr 29, 2014 19:40:21 GMT -5
I think they took a picture of the wrong end.
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Post by McCreerian on Apr 29, 2014 22:16:00 GMT -5
When the music video is made for this, the only thing I'd watch and enjoy is if it's a bar full of blindfolded drunk people playing "Pin the Tail on the Donkey". That'd be the only thing to make this even 1% worth paying attention to.
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Post by rsmatto on Apr 30, 2014 9:39:33 GMT -5
Jerrod told me he was doing that for "Donkey" even before it was a single. They're having goofy fun with it, not unlike Paisley with his goofy enlarged puppet version of himself. It also proves he doesn't take the song seriously at all. And to .indulgecountry, I'm not playing devil's advocate on every song. I truly find this one fun. Mindless and nonsensical? Yes. But still fun. Which is what my points about it were before. I also see music as entertainment and even escapism so if quite a few folks see that in songs like this, then so be it. Who am I to 'judge' and say something is really wretched, even if, perhaps, I have a platform and forum to do so (even if I do find something terrible). I honestly don't have enough time in the day to partake in truly negative criticism though writers for me are free to write this way. I generally take the approach that if I don't write about something, there may be a reason for that, one way or another. Because, rarely is anything truly THAT BAD to warrant mud-slinging; And often when writers who partake in this kind of writing imply or impose thoughts as to how something was made, they really don't know. It's one thing to infer, it's another to directly use a platform such as mine (as a 'critic') to state as a fact what someone was thinking or that something is so bad that it is a big pile of you-know-what. That's honestly one of my biggest pet peeves with music criticism, when a person takes on the role of self-appointed judge and jury for everything that may not approach what their narrow construct of what is good music. I may pay attention to what some of those s-stirrers are saying (on their websites) but in the end, I try to just be me and follow what I think is the right way to write about stuff. My approach has always been to write honestly and from the heart. And yes, oftentimes here I write from industry perspective (which may seem 'devil advocate'). I do respect your opinion on a forum like this to be honest and say how you feel about something, one way or another. I'd just hope that if you were to work as an actual 'critic' that you'd spend the time wasting your energy on stuff you love rather than stuff you loathe.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Apr 30, 2014 10:14:21 GMT -5
Because, rarely is anything truly THAT BAD to warrant mud-slinging; And often when writers who partake in this kind of writing imply or impose thoughts as to how something was made, they really don't know. It's one thing to infer, it's another to directly use a platform such as mine (as a 'critic') to state as a fact what someone was thinking or that something is so bad that it is a big pile of you-know-what. That's honestly one of my biggest pet peeves with music criticism, when a person takes on the role of self-appointed judge and jury for everything that may not approach what their narrow construct of what is good music. Within this paragraph and by subsequently referring to critics as "s-stirrers...(on their websites)", you made the exact kind of "inferences" about the motives, nature and intent of music critics that you objected to with respect to the motives and intent of songwriters. Seems to me that if one is concerned about fairness, that should apply to the people who passionately listen to and engage with music, as well.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Apr 30, 2014 12:06:47 GMT -5
While everyone is entitled to their opinion and music is subjective, I cant think of a song more deserving of "mud slinging". I would find 3 minutes and 16 seconds of fart noises more artistic then this.
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Post by rsmatto on Apr 30, 2014 12:12:55 GMT -5
Because, rarely is anything truly THAT BAD to warrant mud-slinging; And often when writers who partake in this kind of writing imply or impose thoughts as to how something was made, they really don't know. It's one thing to infer, it's another to directly use a platform such as mine (as a 'critic') to state as a fact what someone was thinking or that something is so bad that it is a big pile of you-know-what. That's honestly one of my biggest pet peeves with music criticism, when a person takes on the role of self-appointed judge and jury for everything that may not approach what their narrow construct of what is good music. Within this paragraph and by subsequently referring to critics as "s-stirrers...(on their websites)", you made the exact kind of "inferences" about the motives, nature and intent of music critics that you objected to with respect to the motives and intent of songwriters. Seems to me that if one is concerned about fairness, that should apply to the people who passionately listen to and engage with music, as well. I should've been more pointed and said "bloggers", not necessarily writers whose career is in the biz. There are a few websites that seem to exist for ONLY to do that, to wallow in negative land. So if that was confusing sorry for that. I just have no real time for negativity.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Apr 30, 2014 14:06:55 GMT -5
Within this paragraph and by subsequently referring to critics as "s-stirrers...(on their websites)", you made the exact kind of "inferences" about the motives, nature and intent of music critics that you objected to with respect to the motives and intent of songwriters. Seems to me that if one is concerned about fairness, that should apply to the people who passionately listen to and engage with music, as well. I should've been more pointed and said "bloggers", not necessarily writers whose career is in the biz. There are a few websites that seem to exist for ONLY to do that, to wallow in negative land. So if that was confusing sorry for that. I just have no real time for negativity. I can't even pretend to have any idea which bloggers or websites of unmitigated "negativity" you're referring to, and I'm not going to guess. But my point stands -- you seem to have no problem ascribing motives and intent to those who run these unnamed sites (whom you presumably don't know personally), yet you object to people here imputing motives/intent to songwriters. That strikes me as inconsistent. Moralizing about "negativity" while saying you have no time for it strikes me as inconsistent, as well. Moreover, I'm uncomfortable with vague accusations of "mudslinging" and "s-stirring" on the basis of unattributed negative critiques. Especially since you have included Entertainment Weekly's Grady Smith as a "s-stirrer" when he has championed a lot of country music in the publication and on its website. Thoughtful and even snarky negative critique can have value in a music conversation. For my part, I'm interested in it all, positive, negative, and everything in between, -if- it's smartly done (well, most of it. I have some limits on tone and language.). I also don't care whether a review is done by a professional, some random schmo like me on a message board, or in that gray area comprised of blogs who trade access to labels/artists & advertising space for positive promotional coverage on their websites. All I care about is whether the writing gives me something new to think about, whether from a technical, artistic or historical standpoint. Frankly, "professional" reviews often fail in that regard, and besides, the transactional aspect of media-artist relations has increasingly gotten in the way of fair and useful assessment among the pros (this is the focus of a number of interesting essays in recent years on the state of music criticism, including this one by Maura Johnston and this one by Ted Gioia). For me, people with opinions on music earn their 'authority' with the freshness of their insight, not the logo on their magazines/websites (or lack thereof). It goes without saying that you are entitled to set your blog's orientation in any way you wish. But I think that both music and the people who make and promote it benefit from good faith critique and scrutiny, which means sometimes spending time and ink being negative about music or musical elements one dislikes. To me, it wouldn't speak well of those "in the biz" if they proved unwilling to listen to and learn from well-intended criticism. There is plenty of that to be had from fans, the media, and the artists themselves these days, and there seem to be signs here and there (see: Tim McGraw's recent single switch) of it having a positive impact.
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Post by rjz on Apr 30, 2014 14:33:30 GMT -5
I believe there are some people who truly like a lot/most/all? movies, songs, etc, etc. But I think critique definitely has its place. I don't agree with all critics of course, but enjoy reading positive and negative, and it makes me think more closely about and even appreciate more the art form I am spending my precious time here on earth purusing-Dudley said it in a more intelligent way of course:
"Thoughtful and even snarky negative critique can have value in a music conversation. For my part, I'm interested in it all, positive, negative, and everything in between, -if- it's smartly done (well, most of it. I have some limits on tone and language).
I also think there must be standards and it is fair to call people out......why should the entertainment industry be different than other jobs? Now defining the standards ......therein lays the dilemma as it always has.
And just because I may think a song like Donkey is awful in every way, it doesn't mean I dislike the artist-I have enjoyed Jerrod's music in the past. As the religious say...'Hate the sin, not the sinner' ;)
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Post by Lizl on Apr 30, 2014 15:24:10 GMT -5
Worst.song.ever. Are they really serious...
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Post by Zazie on Apr 30, 2014 15:42:02 GMT -5
I myself am contrary, and I don't like very many country songs on big-station playlists these days. I'm sure that is apparent from my posting. Being who I am, I get something of value from reading Matt's generally more positive comments, and on many occasions his lighter approach has made me re-think the overly negative thoughts I am thinking. In the case of Jerrod's Donkey song, I mostly agree with Matt's assessment.
However much I respect Matt's perspective on music, I don't think he's doing more (or less) than being true to himself. I don't think he's "got it right," or that he has some corner on what reviewing ought to be like, and I certainly don't think he's got it right when it comes to assessing the motivations of harsher critics. I'm not being anything more than true to myself either, and I don't think I've got a corner on "true criticism" or any motives that are especially pure or superior. Using a term like mud-slinging begs the question (in the old-fashioned sense). I believe lots of material, perhaps all material, deserves criticism, and Matt and I might not agree on whether something is or isn't THAT BAD, or whether it's worth the time to spend criticizing.
There are forms of criticism that are illegitimate, but what makes them that is not whether they're positive or negative. It's more that they indulge in personal attacks, gossip, or other unfair methods. It is possible to identify honest criticism from anywhere on the spectrum. It's out there.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2014 0:30:07 GMT -5
Warming: Explicit language/rant ahead:
I wasn't gong to listen to this when in read these points; having given up Country radio in 2009, I thought for SURE we had gotten to the bottom of the barrel with trash like Cruise, Shake It For Me, Boys 'Round Here, etc.
Hell, I was thinking "it can't be that bad, right? What could be worse than Bob That Head or FGL?"
UGHJHHGFFFCFFFFDSDGGGGTF This is the worst song I have ever heard on Radio, I think. Just pure and utter bro Country trash.
Maybe it's all my pent up frustration with the "Frat Boys Club," or maybe I was too optimistic to believe it couldn't be as bad as everyone said. WHY.
I am done, and I'm frustrated and sad and annoyed and ashamed Country music stooped so low.
This HAS to be the bottom of the f**king barrel, dear GOD :'(
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Post by rsmatto on May 1, 2014 12:09:23 GMT -5
I myself am contrary, and I don't like very many country songs on big-station playlists these days. I'm sure that is apparent from my posting. Being who I am, I get something of value from reading Matt's generally more positive comments, and on many occasions his lighter approach has made me re-think the overly negative thoughts I am thinking. In the case of Jerrod's Donkey song, I mostly agree with Matt's assessment. However much I respect Matt's perspective on music, I don't think he's doing more (or less) than being true to himself. I don't think he's "got it right," or that he has some corner on what reviewing ought to be like, and I certainly don't think he's got it right when it comes to assessing the motivations of harsher critics. I'm not being anything more than true to myself either, and I don't think I've got a corner on "true criticism" or any motives that are especially pure or superior. Using a term like mud-slinging begs the question (in the old-fashioned sense). I believe lots of material, perhaps all material, deserves criticism, and Matt and I might not agree on whether something is or isn't THAT BAD, or whether it's worth the time to spend criticizing. There are forms of criticism that are illegitimate, but what makes them that is not whether they're positive or negative. It's more that they indulge in personal attacks, gossip, or other unfair methods. It is possible to identify honest criticism from anywhere on the spectrum. It's out there. Pretty much what I was trying to get at with my above posts. Certainly fair-minded critique is alright by me. I was originally just tired of some of the internet's more snarky or attacking types of critique, which certainly digs deeper than just country music criticism. As for my own writing, I may think my "way" of writing should be used more by others but I don't even demand my own writing staff be that way. I just rule like a majority of what I hear and on those rare occasions that I'm indifferent, I will say so. I also tend to write a review from a radio or industry point of view more than maybe a fan point of view and maybe that's why I'm 'more accepting' of certain songs, this one included.
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Post by rsmatto on May 5, 2014 17:18:22 GMT -5
Double Post only to give y'all the official single art. Also seems that the label commissioned Pitbull to put a remix verse onto "Drink To That All Night" for a pop single run.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 17:21:24 GMT -5
Double Post only to give y'all the official single art. Also seems that the label commissioned Pitbull to put a remix verse onto "Drink To That All Night" for a pop single run. And with this, modern "country" music continues to become a bigger and bigger laughingstock.
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Post by sabre14 on May 5, 2014 17:25:52 GMT -5
Also seems that the label commissioned Pitbull to put a remix verse onto "Drink To That All Night" for a pop single run. Dear God Arista, one train wreck at a time.
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Post by onebuffalo on May 5, 2014 17:26:22 GMT -5
Please make it stop or I will jump off One Seneca Tower (Buffalo's tallest building).
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Post by McCreerian on May 5, 2014 17:30:08 GMT -5
Wow... I mean... Wow... Just... Wow...
Donkey and Pitbull? OMG Someone just shoot Country music and put it out of it's misery. I'm sure it'd rather appreciate it than listen to this $hit!
I hope this blows up in everyone's face who has any part of it and it takes down Jerrod's career with it. If any song deserves to derail a recording artist, it's this.
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Post by rsmatto on May 5, 2014 17:33:55 GMT -5
Double Post only to give y'all the official single art. Also seems that the label commissioned Pitbull to put a remix verse onto "Drink To That All Night" for a pop single run. And with this, modern "country" music continues to become a bigger and bigger laughingstock. Well, it's certainly no different than many other songs which hit pop charts. Don't think anyone will call it a laughingstock at all, if you meant pop fans. If they never turn stations, they'll likely be glad to have the new song with Pitbull. it'll be interesting to see if it can match the impact "Cruise" made on the pop charts, especially with a 'current' label mate rapping on a verse and not one whose last hit was years ago. Donkey and Pitbull? OMG Someone just shoot Country music and put it out of it's misery. I'm sure it'd rather appreciate it than listen to this $hit! NO, "Drink To That All Night" is getting/has gotten the Pitbull remix.
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Post by McCreerian on May 5, 2014 17:38:09 GMT -5
And with this, modern "country" music continues to become a bigger and bigger laughingstock. Well, it's certainly no different than many other songs which hit pop charts. Don't think anyone will call it a laughingstock at all. Traditionalists, yes, but pop fans? Nope. If they never turn stations, they'll likely be glad to have the new song with Pitbull. it'll be interesting to see if it can match the impact "Cruise" made on the pop charts, especially with a 'current' label mate rapping on a verse and not one whose last hit was years ago. Donkey and Pitbull? OMG Someone just shoot Country music and put it out of it's misery. I'm sure it'd rather appreciate it than listen to this $hit! NO, "Drink To That All Night" is getting/has gotten the Pitbull remix. Oh lol, this being in the "Donkey" thread I didn't even read the rest of the statement when I saw the word "Pitbull." But it's nearly just as bad to do that to "Drink" too. Jerrod has just gone downhill fast!
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Post by McCreerian on May 5, 2014 17:41:01 GMT -5
Double Post only to give y'all the official single art. Also seems that the label commissioned Pitbull to put a remix verse onto "Drink To That All Night" for a pop single run. And with this, modern "country" music continues to become a bigger and bigger laughingstock. 90% of commercial Country radio is just an embarrassment now. If it had been like this when I was growing up I would never had liked it in the first place. Ok, back to listening to my George Strait Box set.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 17:56:15 GMT -5
Don't think anyone will call it a laughingstock at all, if you meant pop fans. I believe I just did. I didn't mean pop fans...they'll probably gobble up a party song with Pitbull in it. "Drink To That All Night" was never country in the first place. Crappy auto-tune and terrible lyrics. I might've made a joke about such a song getting a remix with a pop/rap star (whatever genre Pitbull is in, I could care less about him), but now that it's actually coming true it's just really sad. Country music is fracturing because of mainstream radio. This will only add fuel to the fire for all those who say that such songs aren't country, and that today's "country" music isn't country...and that is a very, very long list of people. I can't tell you how many times I meet people or talk to people about music, and when people get asked what their favorite kind of music is, they say "definitely country music, but not the stuff they play on the radio today". And there's a flip-side to that coin as well. A lot of my peers at school listen to FGL and Luke alongside the likes of pop/rap stars. FGL and Luke and maybe a couple others are the only "country" artists in their music libraries.
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