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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jul 28, 2014 18:23:55 GMT -5
What I like about Taylor is she never has any what I consider to be "fluff" lyrics ("I don't know what to do" is a classic example of a fluff lyric). Every line is tightly constructed and makes sense, whether the song is about Romeo & Juliet or a break-up. I'm nervous that if I delve too deeply, I will find a handful of "fluff" lyrics, but I agree with your general premise.
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Post by irice22 on Jul 28, 2014 19:15:50 GMT -5
Yeah, for the sake of the argument, don't Listen to it Twice.
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Post by Clauss on Jul 30, 2014 10:10:20 GMT -5
She's performing In the VMA's. Alone. We are so close
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Post by Joe1240 on Jul 30, 2014 10:29:25 GMT -5
With the MTV VMA performance confirmed,the new single should be out within the next 3 weeks. Which #newmusictuesday date will it be? August 4th? August 11th? August 18th? Guess we will find out soon.
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Post by josh on Jul 30, 2014 10:30:52 GMT -5
With the MTV VMA performance confirmed,the new single should be out within the next 3 weeks. Which #newmusictuesday date will it be? August 4th? August 11th? August 18th? Guess we will find out soon. Those are all Mondays.
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 30, 2014 10:31:41 GMT -5
It'll come out the week of the 11th.
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Post by Clauss on Jul 30, 2014 10:32:20 GMT -5
11 third week of august as usual
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Post by Joe1240 on Jul 30, 2014 10:32:41 GMT -5
My mistake. When people get excited they make errors.Just add +1 to the dates.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 10:45:19 GMT -5
Y'all can go check out Rihanna's discography up until, what, a year ago? And it all sounded the same. Same with Katy Perry. Same with Kelly Clarkson. Same with P!nk. No one bats an eye, particularly because they haven't achieved her level of success when it comes to sales. Eh, this is where you lose me (bar Katy, and P!nk, although for the latter that's kind of her career platform and it works wonders for her). Kelly's spread her wealth around and explored her sound a bit-- I mean she never dropped a dubstep cut but let's not act like she's any worse (or better) than Taylor. I'd say those two actually garner similar, unjustified criticisms regarding their perceived lack of variety. Rihanna in particular has a pretty diverse catalog, but she's also not really writing her own songs for the most part so it's kind of hard to make a point with that example, everything post Rated R not withstanding.
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 30, 2014 11:24:34 GMT -5
Also, P!nk definitely gets criticized for her "lack" of variety*, so I have no idea where this sentiment that she doesn't comes from.
*I happen to think she's very diverse in her albums, she just happens to follow a certain formula when it comes to her singles.
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Post by slayZ on Jul 30, 2014 13:15:11 GMT -5
Y'all can go check out Rihanna's discography up until, what, a year ago? And it all sounded the same. Same with Katy Perry. Same with Kelly Clarkson. Same with P!nk. No one bats an eye, particularly because they haven't achieved her level of success when it comes to sales. Eh, this is where you lose me (bar Katy, and P!nk, although for the latter that's kind of her career platform and it works wonders for her). Kelly's spread her wealth around and explored her sound a bit-- I mean she never dropped a dubstep cut but let's not act like she's any worse (or better) than Taylor. I'd say those two actually garner similar, unjustified criticisms regarding their perceived lack of variety. Rihanna in particular has a pretty diverse catalog, but she's also not really writing her own songs for the most part so it's kind of hard to make a point with that example, everything post Rated R not withstanding. Rihanna's explored different sounds, particularly with Rated R (I actually give her a lot of credit for being one of the first mainstream acts to start using dubstep influences) but...Kelly? her last Pop single could easily fit on her second album which was released 10 years ago. I don't think there's been much growth sonically there if any at all. I don't think Taylor's any better, or that Kelly's any worse, I'm just saying no one bats an eye for Kelly, or any of the artists I mentioned and Taylor seems to get all the flak. But then again, I realize that I'm doing the same thing with Kelly that others are doing with Taylor. I'm familiar with Kelly's discography and I know her albums for the most part differ from the singles she puts out.
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Post by jjose712 on Jul 30, 2014 13:47:07 GMT -5
Kelly's problem is that when she explored a different sound (my december) the album and the singles flopped, so she stayed safe from then on (probably not entirely her choice).
Pink has a very diverse sound, take Funhouse as example, So what, Sober, Please don't leave me and Glitter in the air are completely different.
I don't think Taylor has that problem either, she has a clear pop sound, and a quite distinctive country sound, she prove that she could go a step further with her country sound with Safe and Sound, and i think she could do the same with her pop sound. We'll see
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 30, 2014 14:18:49 GMT -5
It'll come out the week of the 11th. Just realized that this week is also the week of The Giver's release. Yep, this will definitely be when it hits.
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Post by anafan on Jul 30, 2014 19:42:09 GMT -5
Can't wait to hear it
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 20:42:20 GMT -5
Disclaimer: I'm not a Kelly stan. Ask around. Eh, this is where you lose me (bar Katy, and P!nk, although for the latter that's kind of her career platform and it works wonders for her). Kelly's spread her wealth around and explored her sound a bit-- I mean she never dropped a dubstep cut but let's not act like she's any worse (or better) than Taylor. I'd say those two actually garner similar, unjustified criticisms regarding their perceived lack of variety. Rihanna in particular has a pretty diverse catalog, but she's also not really writing her own songs for the most part so it's kind of hard to make a point with that example, everything post Rated R not withstanding. Rihanna's explored different sounds, particularly with Rated R (I actually give her a lot of credit for being one of the first mainstream acts to start using dubstep influences) but...Kelly? her last Pop single could easily fit on her second album which was released 10 years ago. I don't think there's been much growth sonically there if any at all. I don't think Taylor's any better, or that Kelly's any worse, I'm just saying no one bats an eye for Kelly, or any of the artists I mentioned and Taylor seems to get all the flak. But then again, I realize that I'm doing the same thing with Kelly that others are doing with Taylor. I'm familiar with Kelly's discography and I know her albums for the most part differ from the singles she puts out. Her last pop single was 'People Like Us'... you really think EDM would fit on Breakway? You kind of undo yourself when you concede that you're doing the same thing with Kelly RE: criticisms, because right before that you're trying to make the point that Taylor gets all the flack and that's not true at all. It's probably easy to hone in on the Taylor criticisms because you're a fan of her, but believe me that Kelly faces a lot of backlash for being unoriginal, uninspired, or just being Kelly Clarkson lol. Especially on Pulse. I'm not trying to say either of them has it better or worse, just that it happens quite often with both ladies; often unfairly. Kelly's problem is that when she explored a different sound (my december) the album and the singles flopped, so she stayed safe from then on (probably not entirely her choice). Eh, I'd say all of her albums after My December have a different sound, theme, etc. The changes might be subtle, but as realized bodies of work they're distinct. That said, not sure what the problem is.
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Post by surfy on Jul 30, 2014 20:46:43 GMT -5
Okay, Kelly has explored rock-pop, dance-pop, and bubblegum pop at least that I can remember! I would say that she's explored sonically!
Same with Taylor. (Country, Country-pop, Bubblegum pop, Acoustic, EDM)
So both have explored!
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Post by Mr. Thonk Eyes on Jul 30, 2014 20:54:44 GMT -5
Okay, Kelly has explored rock-pop, dance-pop, and bubblegum pop at least that I can remember! I would say that she's explored sonically! Same with Taylor. (Country, Country-pop, Bubblegum pop, Acoustic, EDM) So both have explored! I think the similarity they're talking about is lyrically since both Taylor and Kelly make songs about their exes a lot and the issue that is being discussed is that no one bats an eye when Kelly does it but Taylor gets a lot of hate when she does it
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Post by Gravity. on Jul 30, 2014 21:00:22 GMT -5
Okay, Kelly has explored rock-pop, dance-pop, and bubblegum pop at least that I can remember! I would say that she's explored sonically! Same with Taylor. (Country, Country-pop, Bubblegum pop, Acoustic, EDM) So both have explored! I think the similarity they're talking about is lyrically since both Taylor and Kelly make songs about their exes a lot and the issue that is being discussed is that no one bats an eye when Kelly does it but Taylor gets a lot of hate when she does it Nah, Kelly gets (or used to) get some flack for releasing so many boy bashers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 21:02:10 GMT -5
Kelly gets flack for being a one trick pony all the time. The stereotype is that if she's not releasing an empowerment anthem, then she's bitching about an ex. Both are completely wack.
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Post by Mr. Thonk Eyes on Jul 30, 2014 21:03:14 GMT -5
I think the similarity they're talking about is lyrically since both Taylor and Kelly make songs about their exes a lot and the issue that is being discussed is that no one bats an eye when Kelly does it but Taylor gets a lot of hate when she does it Nah, Kelly gets (or used to) get some flack for releasing so many boy bashers. Yeah she definitely gets some flack but it's nowhere near as strong as the flack Taylor gets which IMO is unfair, if they both release many songs about the same topic then they should both be bashed the same not one more than the other
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Post by dbhmr on Jul 31, 2014 0:24:43 GMT -5
Nah, Kelly gets (or used to) get some flack for releasing so many boy bashers. Yeah she definitely gets some flack but it's nowhere near as strong as the flack Taylor gets which IMO is unfair, if they both release many songs about the same topic then they should both be bashed the same not one more than the other This is just...not true. Taylor is getting flack for it now because she's the one releasing a single. Kelly's last set of songs was a Christmas album post-marital bliss, so she kind of flipped the script. Prior to that, the cries of "this is another boy-basher" (even when she would explain them coming from a different angle), were just as prevalent on Pulse as they are about Taylor. The general public may have more of a feeding frenzy on this particular issue with Taylor over Kelly, but that's because she's a much bigger star, so she gets more space/airtime dedicated to such comments. The consensus of commentary is the same though, it's the saturation that's different.
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Post by jjose712 on Jul 31, 2014 0:27:44 GMT -5
I don't think that's the problem. Taylor receive more backlash because the boybashed is a celebrity too (not Kelly's case), so there's more discussion in the media. The fact that her break up songs are about PR relationships doesn't help either. To be fair, nobody in music history was more inspired by fake relationships than Taylor. The day she has a real one she is going to write a triple album
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Post by Mr. Thonk Eyes on Jul 31, 2014 0:30:25 GMT -5
I don't think that's the problem. Taylor receive more backlash because the boybashed is a celebrity too (not Kelly's case), so there's more discussion in the media. The fact that her break up songs are about PR relationships doesn't help either. To be fair, nobody in music history was more inspired by fake relationships than Taylor. The day she has a real one she is going to write a triple album Forgot about the celebrity thing with Taylor, but yeah Kelly doesn't have publicized stunts and stuff she's even married so I think she just makes up these exes
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Post by dbhmr on Jul 31, 2014 1:11:41 GMT -5
I don't think that's the problem. Taylor receive more backlash because the boybashed is a celebrity too (not Kelly's case), so there's more discussion in the media. The fact that her break up songs are about PR relationships doesn't help either. To be fair, nobody in music history was more inspired by fake relationships than Taylor. The day she has a real one she is going to write a triple album Forgot about the celebrity thing with Taylor, but yeah Kelly doesn't have publicized stunts and stuff she's even married so I think she just makes up these exes She's admitted to having only one ugly breakup and two other relationships that have gone a long way in her writing; but more importantly many songs people attribute to being about romantic relationships are actually about professional ones. But I hadn't also considered the point about Taylor's personal life being tabloid fodder--that certainly adds to the scrutiny. But also the publicity. It just sort of comes with being one of the world's biggest stars in music.
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Post by Mr. Thonk Eyes on Jul 31, 2014 1:14:24 GMT -5
Forgot about the celebrity thing with Taylor, but yeah Kelly doesn't have publicized stunts and stuff she's even married so I think she just makes up these exes She's admitted to having only one ugly breakup and two other relationships that have gone a long way in her writing; but more importantly many songs people attribute to being about romantic relationships are actually about professional ones. But I hadn't also considered the point about Taylor's personal life being tabloid fodder--that certainly adds to the scrutiny. But also the publicity. It just sort of comes with being one of the world's biggest stars in music. I can definitely see how it would play a part early in Kelly's career considering how emotionally invested she was in them but considering her love life is much more stable now that's why I suggested the exes could be made up in her more recent work
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Post by josh on Jul 31, 2014 1:21:04 GMT -5
She's admitted to having only one ugly breakup and two other relationships that have gone a long way in her writing; but more importantly many songs people attribute to being about romantic relationships are actually about professional ones. But I hadn't also considered the point about Taylor's personal life being tabloid fodder--that certainly adds to the scrutiny. But also the publicity. It just sort of comes with being one of the world's biggest stars in music. I can definitely see how it would play a part early in Kelly's career considering how emotionally invested she was in them but considering her love life is much more stable now that's why I suggested the exes could be made up in her more recent work Kelly only got married in October, and only started dating her husband in 2012, after the release of Stronger. She's only had a couple songs since she met him.
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Post by Mr. Thonk Eyes on Jul 31, 2014 1:28:14 GMT -5
Yeah I don't follow her relationship life so I'm not too good with this
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Post by slayZ on Jul 31, 2014 2:41:54 GMT -5
11 days. 11 DAYS. (Possibly even 5?) I can't. It's finally here. This is it. The word of Taysus is about to spread once again. :'(
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Post by Mr. Thonk Eyes on Jul 31, 2014 3:28:17 GMT -5
11 days. 11 DAYS. (Possibly even 5?) I can't. It's finally here. This is it. The word of Taysus is about to spread once again. :'( I'm not ready for this slayage it will be too strong :'(
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Post by jjose712 on Jul 31, 2014 9:13:55 GMT -5
On one side this will trash competence on itunes from minute one, but i expect a lot of backlash here form people saying this was not what they were expecting from Taylor.
I remember people being upset when she released Mine (wich by the way is one of my Taylor's favourite songs). I think pop reception will be great (she is at that point that every new song after a while is celebrated with tons of spins) it's country reception what i think it will be interesting
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