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Post by Cody on Dec 16, 2014 7:02:21 GMT -5
Lol, for the amount of "Lorde burnout on alternative" talk that goes on, you'd think "Five Finger Death Punch burnout on active" could be a thing too.
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Post by Mandrakegray on Dec 16, 2014 8:41:34 GMT -5
Enough with the lazy "free pass" generalizations (which is simply code around here for "I don't like this song"). This is a #1 that was earned. I give props for this hanging in there long enough to get past the Foo's stranglehold at the top. Plus...it's coming off a single that underperformed and faded quickly. I'm not a huge 5FDP fan, but the quality of this track was immediate upon first listen.
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Dec 16, 2014 10:06:55 GMT -5
Lol, for the amount of "Lorde burnout on alternative" talk that goes on, you'd think "Five Finger Death Punch burnout on active" could be a thing too. Yes, but these guys don't get Pop airplay on top of Active airplay, while Lorde gets both Pop and Alternative airplay, which could lead to a higher burnout rate (in some people). Also, I actually like Five Finger Death Punch's music. Can't say the same about Lorde's.
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Post by American Idiot on Dec 16, 2014 13:44:03 GMT -5
I might be the only member here that likes 5FDP and Lorde a lot for what they do.
I can't say I've ever been burnt out on 5FDP singles, but if I was a regular Active listener on a daily basis, I'm sure I would have considering the huge success they've had on that format.
With Lorde, I did get burnt out on "Royals" and by far liked that song the least out of any of her singles. Maybe "Team" a bit too, but I enjoy that better than "Royals." I could probably listen to "Tennis Court" and "Yellow Flicker Beat" 100 more times and I'll be fine.
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Post by Cody on Dec 16, 2014 18:32:03 GMT -5
Enough with the lazy "free pass" generalizations (which is simply code around here for "I don't like this song"). This is a #1 that was earned. I give props for this hanging in there long enough to get past the Foo's stranglehold at the top. Plus...it's coming off a single that underperformed and faded quickly. I'm not a huge 5FDP fan, but the quality of this track was immediate upon first listen. #FreePass is only used for metal bands that get free passes to the top 10 just for being metal bands. It's a comparative reference to the active format of 5+ years ago, when only the very best metal songs would be this successful. It's not meant to troll or attack anyone's taste, I've made no secret of it being a matter of my personal distaste for today's metal music and the quality of today's metal bands as oppose to what they were a few years back (when IMO they were much better). So please, don't take it personally. It's simply a difference of opinion.
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Post by dm2081 on Dec 16, 2014 19:35:14 GMT -5
3 out of the top 10 songs on Active for Metal right now (This song, Moth, and Sick Like Me), and only 5 out of top 20 are Metal (before mentioned + Moving On and The Devil In I). I don't see how metal bands just get a free pass. Frankly, 3 out of 10 seems like a good ratio of Metal on Active. If there was a #freepass, then why hasn't Mastodon, one of the most critic beloved Metal bands, had a big hit yet? What bout all of the other metal bands at the bottom of chart, where are their free rides? I'm sorry, but I'm not buying it.
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Post by Cody on Dec 16, 2014 19:41:08 GMT -5
3 out of the top 10 songs on Active for Metal right now (This song, Moth, and Sick Like Me), and only 5 out of top 20 are Metal (before mentioned + Moving On and The Devil In I). I don't see how metal bands just get a free pass. Frankly, 3 out of 10 seems like a good ratio of Metal on Active. If there was a #freepass, then why hasn't Mastodon, one of the most critic beloved Metal bands, had a big hit yet? What bout all of the other metal bands at the bottom of chart, where are their free rides? I'm sorry, but I'm not buying it. Then you need to look at active rock charts before 2011, and re-read my last post because you missed the most important part of it. In fact, you actually kind of proved my point by saying " only 5 of the top 20 are metal." Actually, that's precisely what my last post was talking about.
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Post by dm2081 on Dec 16, 2014 20:32:34 GMT -5
3 out of the top 10 songs on Active for Metal right now (This song, Moth, and Sick Like Me), and only 5 out of top 20 are Metal (before mentioned + Moving On and The Devil In I). I don't see how metal bands just get a free pass. Frankly, 3 out of 10 seems like a good ratio of Metal on Active. If there was a #freepass, then why hasn't Mastodon, one of the most critic beloved Metal bands, had a big hit yet? What bout all of the other metal bands at the bottom of chart, where are their free rides? I'm sorry, but I'm not buying it. Then you need to look at active rock charts before 2011, and re-read my last post because you missed the most important part of it. In fact, you actually kind of proved my point by saying " only 5 of the top 20 are metal." Actually, that's precisely what my last post was talking about. But that doesn't explain the last part of my paragraph, about all the metal bands near bottom that can't get any traction despite a so called #freepass.
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Post by Cody on Dec 16, 2014 20:55:59 GMT -5
Then you need to look at active rock charts before 2011, and re-read my last post because you missed the most important part of it. In fact, you actually kind of proved my point by saying " only 5 of the top 20 are metal." Actually, that's precisely what my last post was talking about. But that doesn't explain the last part of my paragraph, about all the metal bands near bottom that can't get any traction despite a so called #freepass. Well, they can't have the entire top 10 to be metal at once, can they? If all of the ones near the bottom were as well, post-grunge and the other traditional styles would be even more dead than they already are. The point here is that back when active music was much more popular (it crossed over to Alternative, Hot AC, and CHR with regularity), you'd only ever see a handful of metal songs do well throughout the year. And even the big name bands would have to really fight to get into the top 5 in some cases, top 10 in others. Now a friggin' quarter of the top 20 is metal, and much less interesting metal than the really good stuff that would succeed in the 00s. Just for being the big name metal bands, the likes of FFDP, Avenged Sevenfold, and Slipknot to name a few just cruise up the chart regardless of song quality in my opinion.
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Post by Green Baron on Dec 16, 2014 21:04:55 GMT -5
But that doesn't explain the last part of my paragraph, about all the metal bands near bottom that can't get any traction despite a so called #freepass. Well, they can't have the entire top 10 to be metal at once, can they? If all of the ones near the bottom were as well, post-grunge and the other traditional styles would be even more dead than they already are. The point here is that back when active music was much more popular (it crossed over to Alternative, Hot AC, and CHR with regularity), you'd only ever see a handful of metal songs do well throughout the year. And even the big name bands would have to really fight to get into the top 5 in some cases, top 10 in others. Now a friggin' quarter of the top 20 is metal, and much less interesting metal than the really good stuff that would succeed in the 00s. Just for being the big name metal bands, the likes of FFDP, Avenged Sevenfold, and Slipknot to name a few just cruise up the chart regardless of song quality in my opinion. Wow... a quarter of the top 20 is metal! That's so much music! I mean, come on, that's 5 songs. A small fraction. And what about post-grunge? I'm pretty sure, Godsmack, Three Days Grace, Seether, Pop Evil and the like also made it to the top ten based on #freepass. 40% of the top 10 is post-grunge as well, more than the percentage of metal. So, no, I don't think the fact that a song is metal gets it a free pass. If it's a song by a big name metal band, than ok, but songs by big name post-grunge / nu-metal bands also get a free pass. The problem isn't metal itself.
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Post by Green Baron on Dec 16, 2014 21:27:55 GMT -5
YES! Best song on either album Deserves to go #1 on Active considering alot of the crap that hits the top there these days, although it probably won't because "House Of The Rising Sun" didn't. How can you call this #freepass when you yourself were rooting for it???
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Post by dm2081 on Dec 16, 2014 21:30:12 GMT -5
^I completely agree with Green Baron, big name veteran acts tend to get a freepass, not Metal songs. Nobody is saying that the Foo's new song is near as good as their Everlong or Best of You days, but it still cruised to #1 in less than what, 2 weeks? It's the case in every genre of music, after an act has earned a string of hits in a row, they tend to get an easier route to the top (Katy Perry on CHR for example). Alt seems to be the only format where its not always the case, but it still occurs from time to time even there. Marilyn Manson is still Metal, but he's not getting a freepass, and neither is Mastodon like I said.
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Post by Green Baron on Dec 16, 2014 21:31:18 GMT -5
^I completely agree with Green Baron, big name veteran acts tend to get a freepass, not Metal songs. Nobody is saying that the Foo's new song is near as good as their Everlong or Best of You days, but it still cruised to #1 in less than what, 2 weeks? It's the case in every genre of music, after an act has earned a string of hits in a row, they tend to get an easier route to the top (Katy Perry on CHR for example). Alt seems to be the only format where its not always the case, but it still occurs from time to time even there. Marilyn Manson is still Metal, but he's not getting a freepass, and neither is Mastodon like I said. then again I'd argue that Mastodon should be the ones getting the #freepass, but that's a separate issue
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Post by Cody on Dec 16, 2014 21:53:40 GMT -5
^I completely agree with Green Baron, big name veteran acts tend to get a freepass, not Metal songs. Nobody is saying that the Foo's new song is near as good as their Everlong or Best of You days, but it still cruised to #1 in less than what, 2 weeks? It's the case in every genre of music, after an act has earned a string of hits in a row, they tend to get an easier route to the top (Katy Perry on CHR for example). Alt seems to be the only format where its not always the case, but it still occurs from time to time even there. Marilyn Manson is still Metal, but he's not getting a freepass, and neither is Mastodon like I said. And that's where it comes down to a matter of opinion really. I've said a few times that I just personally find there to be way too much metal on the chart, and it's not that I don't like metal it's just that I don't like what it's become. 5/20 is ALOT compared to when I really loved the active format, and like I've said a few times, my whole #freepass gag is more comparative in nature than anything else anyways. I'm not trying to argue with you, no one's ever going to change anyone's mind in this kind of debate. Also, I just realized going back that I liked this alot more than I remembered haha! Going through my old charts, I almost actually charted this, but thank God I didn't because I really cannot stand it now.
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Post by Green Baron on Dec 16, 2014 22:00:31 GMT -5
^I completely agree with Green Baron, big name veteran acts tend to get a freepass, not Metal songs. Nobody is saying that the Foo's new song is near as good as their Everlong or Best of You days, but it still cruised to #1 in less than what, 2 weeks? It's the case in every genre of music, after an act has earned a string of hits in a row, they tend to get an easier route to the top (Katy Perry on CHR for example). Alt seems to be the only format where its not always the case, but it still occurs from time to time even there. Marilyn Manson is still Metal, but he's not getting a freepass, and neither is Mastodon like I said. And that's where it comes down to a matter of opinion really. I've said a few times that I just personally find there to be way too much metal on the chart, and it's not that I don't like metal it's just that I don't like what it's become. 5/20 is ALOT compared to when I really loved the active format, and like I've said a few times, my whole #freepass gag is more comparative in nature than anything else anyways. I'm not trying to argue with you, no one's ever going to change anyone's mind in this kind of debate. Also, I just realized going back that I liked this alot more than I remembered haha! Going through my old charts, I almost actually charted this, but thank God I didn't because I really cannot stand it now. What metal songs in the past would you have deemed worthy of receiving the #freepass?
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Post by Lordef†ones on Dec 16, 2014 23:25:39 GMT -5
Mastodon really need the #FreePass that Cody promised them for "The Motherload". Now that's a metal band that continues to put out quality material without diminishing or selling out.
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Post by Cody on Dec 17, 2014 9:05:00 GMT -5
Mastodon really need the #FreePass that Cody promised them for "The Motherload". Now that's a metal band that continues to put out quality material without diminishing or selling out. I remember posting that, I thouggt they had like a ridiculous +150 bullet out of nowhere or something though.
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Post by Mandrakegray on Dec 17, 2014 10:17:39 GMT -5
#FreePass is only used for metal bands that get free passes to the top 10 just for being metal bands. It's a comparative reference to the active format of 5+ years ago, when only the very best metal songs would be this successful. It's not meant to troll or attack anyone's taste, I've made no secret of it being a matter of my personal distaste for today's metal music and the quality of today's metal bands as oppose to what they were a few years back (when IMO they were much better). So please, don't take it personally. It's simply a difference of opinion. Ah...so like I said, it basically means "I don't like this song" ;) First off, my friend...I don't take anything posted here personally (and I think you know how much I enjoy and follow your posts). But I do love the Active Rock format and many of the artists associated with it, so I'm prone to play Devil's Advocate to some of the negative comments that get posted. When I do, I hope it's taken in the context that I intended. With that said...of the number of actual "metal" bands that have posted songs in the Top 10 over the last 5 years, there's only been a handful to do it with any real regularity as I see it. With 5FDP, Avenged Sevenfold and Volbeat being the obvious biggest contributors. What you see as a free pass, I see as artists writing quality tunes with rock radio in mind, and the format is simply responding. That's not to say I think every metal song that advances up the chart is worthy (I loathe 5FDP's cover of "House of the Rising Sun" for example). Anyway, thank God for differences of opinion! It makes for an interesting board to be a part of. You have nothing but respect from me, Cody. But know that my knives are sharpened and ready for any future comments!!
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Post by Cody on Dec 17, 2014 14:15:32 GMT -5
#FreePass is only used for metal bands that get free passes to the top 10 just for being metal bands. It's a comparative reference to the active format of 5+ years ago, when only the very best metal songs would be this successful. It's not meant to troll or attack anyone's taste, I've made no secret of it being a matter of my personal distaste for today's metal music and the quality of today's metal bands as oppose to what they were a few years back (when IMO they were much better). So please, don't take it personally. It's simply a difference of opinion. Ah...so like I said, it basically means "I don't like this song" ;) First off, my friend...I don't take anything posted here personally (and I think you know how much I enjoy and follow your posts). But I do love the Active Rock format and many of the artists associated with it, so I'm prone to play Devil's Advocate to some of the negative comments that get posted. When I do, I hope it's taken in the context that I intended. With that said...of the number of actual "metal" bands that have posted songs in the Top 10 over the last 5 years, there's only been a handful to do it with any real regularity as I see it. With 5FDP, Avenged Sevenfold and Volbeat being the obvious biggest contributors. What you see as a free pass, I see as artists writing quality tunes with rock radio in mind, and the format is simply responding. That's not to say I think every metal song that advances up the chart is worthy (I loathe 5FDP's cover of "House of the Rising Sun" for example). Anyway, thank God for differences of opinion! It makes for an interesting board to be a part of. You have nothing but respect from me, Cody. But know that my knives are sharpened and ready for any future comments!! Fair enough and good to know, I couldn't tell if you were offended or not is all....the respect flows both ways my friend!
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Dec 18, 2014 6:35:40 GMT -5
I can't beleive this knocked out the Foos from number 1 on active?
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Post by krissirge on Dec 22, 2014 2:40:06 GMT -5
I still keep on hoving that one of their softer songs would have some CHR success, but seems like FFDP will be one of those bad, that are big in rock circles, but not anywhere else.
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Post by Green Baron on Jan 6, 2015 17:55:42 GMT -5
Billboard still hasn't given this a week at #1 yet. Don't know how many it's led on Mediabase.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jan 6, 2015 20:31:04 GMT -5
I want this to go #1 on Billboard but sadly probably won't happen due to greater heritage spins for "Something From Nothing" (which I also like).
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Post by Web on Jan 6, 2015 20:43:57 GMT -5
Billboard still hasn't given this a week at #1 yet. Don't know how many it's led on Mediabase. they've been flipping back and forth pretty regularly until just recently. Still looks like the Foos could come back though since the spins and bullets are similar.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jan 12, 2015 20:20:43 GMT -5
Billboard Chart Highlights:
Mainstream Rock Songs *** No. 1 (12 weeks)*** "Something From Nothing" Foo Fighters
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Post by Green Baron on Jan 12, 2015 20:26:58 GMT -5
I'm not even a fan of this song, but even this is getting ridiculous now.
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Post by Cody on Jan 12, 2015 21:01:48 GMT -5
Billboard Mainstream Rock needed a long #1. The amount of 1/2 weekers is becoming a joke, and the more #1s there are, the less impressive it is to get to #1. Besides, IMO "Something From Nothing" is the best #1 that chart has seen since like...uhh..."Say You'll Haunt Me" in 2010 And it's like 20 trillion times better than 2013's 11-weeker, "Hail To The King", so IMO it was vital for it to get more weeks than that. I still want the Foos to hold on until Royal Blood, Seether, or TDG get there.
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Jan 12, 2015 23:41:24 GMT -5
Billboard Mainstream Rock needed a long #1. The amount of 1/2 weekers is becoming a joke, and the more #1s there are, the less impressive it is to get to #1. Besides, IMO "Something From Nothing" is the best #1 that chart has seen since like...uhh..."Say You'll Haunt Me" in 2010 And it's like 20 trillion times better than 2013's 11-weeker, "Hail To The King", so IMO it was vital for it to get more weeks than that. I still want the Foos to hold on until Royal Blood, Seether, or TDG get there. Eh, debatable on "Something From Nothing" IMO. I've liked nearly all the #1 Actives since 2010 (except like Pretty Reckless, Halestorm, and Pop Evil). On the next Active #1, "Figure It Out" is probably the best bet. "Same Damn Life" looks like it's starting to slip, and "I Am Machine" has been staying stagnant for a while.
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Post by Web on Jan 13, 2015 0:22:22 GMT -5
Billboard Mainstream Rock needed a long #1. The amount of 1/2 weekers is becoming a joke, and the more #1s there are, the less impressive it is to get to #1. Besides, IMO "Something From Nothing" is the best #1 that chart has seen since like...uhh..."Say You'll Haunt Me" in 2010 And it's like 20 trillion times better than 2013's 11-weeker, "Hail To The King", so IMO it was vital for it to get more weeks than that. I still want the Foos to hold on until Royal Blood, Seether, or TDG get there. Eh, debatable on "Something From Nothing" IMO. I've liked nearly all the #1 Actives since 2010 (except like Pretty Reckless, Halestorm, and Pop Evil). On the next Active #1, "Figure It Out" is probably the best bet. "Same Damn Life" looks like it's starting to slip, and "I Am Machine" has been staying stagnant for a while. out of the three I'd like to see Royal Blood get it. I'd hate to see two straight singles of theirs blocked right before hitting #1. 3DG and Seether both got #1's in their respective cycles and are established acts, so I don't think they need it as much.
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Post by Green Baron on Jan 13, 2015 0:29:29 GMT -5
Well, Figure It Out has a chance of topping Alt too, surprisingly.
I don't see why all 3 can't each have their share of time at the top.
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