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Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 15, 2014 11:42:20 GMT -5
I never read a physical projection. I tweeted Bill Werde about the estimate and he acted like 25-30k was no big deal. Someone mentioned at UKMix that Billboard said U2 had 70,000 in pre-orders. EDIT: www.billboard.com/articles/news/6274359/itunes-numbers-u2-songs-innocence-albumMeanwhile, a physical deluxe edition of Songs of Innocence hits all other retailers Oct. 14, featuring 10 additional bonus tracks (unavailable on iTunes) including six acoustic versions of Innocence songs and four all-new cuts. Based on pre-orders alone, sources suggest to Billboard the physical deluxe edition will move an additional 70,000 copies in the U.S.If he had said sources predicted 30k, would that have been an embarrassing number? Is it only embarrassing because the current prediction is half what Bill said it would be? I asked Bill for his opinion on 25-30k. His opinion is that it's no big deal. My opinion is that it is embarrassing. We'll get estimates based on first day sales today. Maybe the numbers will be better?
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 15, 2014 11:51:51 GMT -5
New numbers: www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgiYOUR NEW RELEASES: Country continues its streak at #1 as the sophomore effort from Florida Georgia Line is set to debut on top. This will be the third week in a row that a country title has debuted at #1. And rock legend Bob Seger will return to familiar territory in the upper region of the album chart with a likely #2 finish. Here are this weekβs key debuts: Florida Georgia Line (Republic Nashville) 185-195k Bob Seger (Capitol) 55-60k You+Me (RCA) 45-50k Hoodie Allen (Hoodie Allen) 30-35k The Game (eOne) 27-30k U2 (Interscope) 24-27k Jessie J (Lava/Republic) 21-24k Idina Menzel (Warner Bros.) 18-21k Milky Chance (Republic) 16-18k Andrew McMahon in the Wilderness (Vanguard) 15-17k Swon Brothers (Arista Nashville) 10-12k Mary Lambert (Capitol) 8-10k Nico & Vinz (Warner Bros.) 6-8k As for U2, that was so rude to give people an album for free. Whatβs WRONG with them? (10/15a)
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Post by kanimal on Oct 15, 2014 11:54:29 GMT -5
If they don't understand the issue at hand, why write something like this?
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Post by jma on Oct 15, 2014 12:06:33 GMT -5
Isn't FGL a big country group with an album that has sold over 2M? Those sales seem terrible for them
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 15, 2014 12:09:32 GMT -5
If they don't understand the issue at hand, why write something like this? I think it's sarcasm.
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Post by kanimal on Oct 15, 2014 12:15:54 GMT -5
If they don't understand the issue at hand, why write something like this? I think it's sarcasm. It's sarcastically making fun of people who got mad at Apple/iTunes over the U2 album. The problem is that no one is mad at Apple and iTunes for *offering* them a free U2 album. They're mad about how Apple distributed it. In the purest sense, yes, that's a terrible album sales number. In 2014, it's a good album sales number. But in a 2014 that saw country colleagues Eric Church sell 288K and Brantley Gilbert sell 200K+, it's a terrible album sales number. But in a 2014 that saw Blake Shelton sell 101K and Jason Aldean sell 278K, it's a pretty good sales number.
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Post by esoteric76 on Oct 15, 2014 14:54:23 GMT -5
Jessie J selling less than Hoodie Allen is embarassing. America just doesnt care about her. She just needs a clearer identity and better material to match that voice. I have friends who still think Katy Perry sang Domino. Sad really. (for my friends and Jessie J, LOL)
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Post by halo19 on Oct 15, 2014 15:53:24 GMT -5
Honestly, the U2 thing is only disappointing if you don't put the situation in proper perspective. They'll probably benefit more from touring at this point in their career.
The single grew on me but I was underwhelmed and don't think it's one of their better releases.
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Post by Nick on Oct 15, 2014 17:45:53 GMT -5
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 15, 2014 18:19:09 GMT -5
^Another thread no one reads...
The only threads that get views are the HITS and Hot 100 threads.
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Post by SHOOTER on Oct 15, 2014 19:29:05 GMT -5
In comparison (post-SoundScan): Zooropa debuted at #1 with 377k (1.8m to date). Pop debuted at #1 with 349k (1m to date). All That You Can't Leave Behind debuted at #3 with 427k (4.4m to date). How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb debuted at #1 with 840k (3.3m to date). No Line on the Horizon debuted at #1 with 484k (1.3m to date).
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Post by kml567 on Oct 15, 2014 19:32:35 GMT -5
U2 flopped hard. HITS said 350k for Florida Georgia Line and Billboard said 300k. 180-200k is good, but below expectations. 180-200K would put them below Brantley Gilbert. Considering how much bigger they are (they're presented as a Top 5 country act and have legitimate pop recognition, while Brantley Gilbert is a rising star at best), considering how hot they are at radio and considering their previous album DID have legs, there shouldn't even be a competition between the two. Granted, 180-200K makes sense in the context of the Aldean sales. But it's interesting to me how a rift is developing between who country fans are buying (Eric Church, Brantley Gilbert) and who country is selling (FGL, Blake Shelton, Jason Aldean). Since Luke Bryan has gotten so much bigger since he released Crash My Party (which did over 500K), I would have expected 750-1M for his next album. Now I'm not so sure. Eric and Brantley did not have their albums on Spotify for the first few weeks. They got relatively good sales. Jason and FGL put their albums on Spotify right away. They got lower than expected sales. Lesson learned.....Do NOT put your album on Spotify for the first few weeks! I haven't bought an album in nearly a year because I hear free music legally on Spotify. I have zero incentive to buy any albums except for artists that I "stan" for. I'm curious if Big Machine will ban Spotify streaming of Taylor Swift's upcoming album for the first few weeks. I bet she'll lose roughly 20% sales if they put it on Spotify right away.
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Post by Kurt on Oct 15, 2014 19:39:44 GMT -5
I'm curious if Big Machine will ban Spotify streaming of Taylor Swift's upcoming album for the first few weeks. I bet she'll lose roughly 20% sales if they put it on Spotify right away. Red was withheld from streaming services until May - I wouldn't be surprised at all if 1989 receives similar treatment.
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Post by SHOOTER on Oct 15, 2014 19:52:32 GMT -5
In comparison: Untold Story debuted at #146 with 8k. The Documentary debuted at #1 with 586k (2.5m to date). West Coast Resurrection debuted at #53 with 17k. Untold Story, Vol. 2 debuted at #61 with 17k. G.A.M.E. debuted at #151 with 8k. Doctor's Advocate debuted at #1 with 358k (975k to date). LAX debuted at #2 with 239k (768k to date). The R.E.D. Album debuted at #1 with 98k (250k to date). Jesus Piece debuted at #1 with 86k (255k to date).
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Post by ILLUSION on Oct 15, 2014 20:00:27 GMT -5
Wow, possibly 200k for FGL? Guess Country albums really do sell
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Post by HolidayGuy on Oct 15, 2014 20:46:19 GMT -5
Indeed, Nick- I have looked at that thread, but not in some weeks. :)
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Oct 15, 2014 23:31:49 GMT -5
I'm curious if Big Machine will ban Spotify streaming of Taylor Swift's upcoming album for the first few weeks. I bet she'll lose roughly 20% sales if they put it on Spotify right away. Red was withheld from streaming services until May - I wouldn't be surprised at all if 1989 receives similar treatment. No way 1989 is on Spotify on release date. Hell, they didn't even put Shake It Off on for 2 or 3 weeks after it was released.
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Post by grandelf on Oct 16, 2014 0:18:56 GMT -5
www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6281859/florida-georgia-line-first-no-1-albumFlorida Georgia Line Set for First No. 1 AlbumBy Keith Caulfield | October 15, 2014 9:52 PM EDT Country duo Florida Georgia Line is set for their first No. 1 album on the Billboard 200 chart, as the act's new release, Anything Goes, should easily open atop the list next week. Industry forecasters say the album, which was released on Oct. 14 through Republic Nashville Records, could sell over 190,000 copies in the week ending Oct. 19 -- logging the pair's best sales week ever. The new Billboard 200's top 10 will be revealed on Oct. 22. Anything Goes follows their breakthrough debut full-length album, Here's to the Good Times, released back in 2012. It peaked at No. 4 on the Billboard 200 and spent 10 weeks at No. 1 on the Top Country Albums chart. The album has sold 2.1 million copies, according to Nielsen SoundScan, and generated the crossover hit singles "Cruise" and "This Is How We Roll." The former reached No. 4 on the all-genre Billboard Hot 100 chart and rules as the highest-selling digital country song ever, with 7 million downloads sold. Other albums on course for high debuts on the chart include Bob Seger's Ride Out (50,000), You+Me's Rose Ave. (45,000) and Hoodie Allen's People Keep Talking (30,000). U2's Songs of Innocence -- which went on sale this week (Oct. 14) following five weeks of exclusivity as a free album download through Apple's iTunes Store -- may sell around 25,000 copies.
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Post by Enigma. on Oct 16, 2014 5:19:51 GMT -5
"May sell around 25k"
I predict it won't sell >20k
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 15:37:20 GMT -5
In 2014, it's a good album sales number. But in a 2014 that saw country colleagues Eric Church sell 288K and Brantley Gilbert sell 200K+, it's a terrible album sales number. But in a 2014 that saw Blake Shelton sell 101K and Jason Aldean sell 278K, it's a pretty good sales number. I don't know how much this would affect things, but it seems to me that Q4 2014 has been WAY more crowded than Q4 normally is, at least in terms of country albums. I haven't purchased hardly any albums myself even though I've liked most that have been released so far--I simply can't afford to shell out $10+ every Tuesday. And each week since late August has seen multiple country albums released. Brad Paisley, Tim McGraw, Chase Rice, George Strait, Lee Brice, Dustin Lynch, Kenny Chesney, Big & Rich, Lady Antebellum, Blake Shelton, Jason Aldean, Florida Georgia Line, Swon Brothers...I'm probably missing a few. I guess it just seems to me that the market is way over-saturated right now, and I wonder if some of these albums would have sold better if they were spaced apart more. I know everybody wants a big Q4 release--I get that--but for some of these artists it may have made more sense to release when there weren't so many other options (like when the Eric Church, Brantley Gilbert, and Miranda Lambert albums were released earlier in the year) potentially eating away at their sales potential. Country still has a lot of albums coming up, too. Little Big Town, Sam Hunt, Garth Brooks, Trisha Yearwood, Toby Keith, Carrie's Greatest Hits, Zac Brown's Greatest Hits, and a couple of holiday albums as well. And there's also Taylor's album even though it's not a country album.
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Post by burner on Oct 16, 2014 15:56:20 GMT -5
In comparison (post-SoundScan): Zooropa debuted at #1 with 377k (1.8m to date). Pop debuted at #1 with 349k (1m to date). All That You Can't Leave Behind debuted at #3 with 427k (4.4m to date). How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb debuted at #1 with 840k (3.3m to date). No Line on the Horizon debuted at #1 with 484k (1.3m to date). I'm not sure why you think this is a fair comparison. If they hadn't given away the album for free 5 weeks ago, it would have been their 8th number 1 on the BB 200. Twenty-six million people already downloaded it in its entirety. Surely at least a few hundred thousand would have paid for it.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Oct 16, 2014 16:07:02 GMT -5
In 2014, it's a good album sales number. But in a 2014 that saw country colleagues Eric Church sell 288K and Brantley Gilbert sell 200K+, it's a terrible album sales number. But in a 2014 that saw Blake Shelton sell 101K and Jason Aldean sell 278K, it's a pretty good sales number. I don't know how much this would affect things, but it seems to me that Q4 2014 has been WAY more crowded than Q4 normally is, at least in terms of country albums. I haven't purchased hardly any albums myself even though I've liked most that have been released so far--I simply can't afford to shell out $10+ every Tuesday. And each week since late August has seen multiple country albums released. Brad Paisley, Tim McGraw, Chase Rice, George Strait, Lee Brice, Dustin Lynch, Kenny Chesney, Big & Rich, Lady Antebellum, Blake Shelton, Jason Aldean, Florida Georgia Line, Swon Brothers...I'm probably missing a few. I guess it just seems to me that the market is way over-saturated right now, and I wonder if some of these albums would have sold better if they were spaced apart more. I know everybody wants a big Q4 release--I get that--but for some of these artists it may have made more sense to release when there weren't so many other options (like when the Eric Church, Brantley Gilbert, and Miranda Lambert albums were released earlier in the year) potentially eating away at their sales potential. Country still has a lot of albums coming up, too. Little Big Town, Sam Hunt, Garth Brooks, Trisha Yearwood, Toby Keith, Carrie's Greatest Hits, Zac Brown's Greatest Hits, and a couple of holiday albums as well. And there's also Taylor's album even though it's not a country album. At least a few of those big name Q4 releases should gave been pushed to Q1 next year. 13 months between albums in this day and age is too fast, considering the average lifespan of a single today
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Post by Green Baron on Oct 16, 2014 16:13:31 GMT -5
I reckon that had U2 released it traditionally, sales might have been disappointing and the album would not be relevant for long.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 16, 2014 16:31:49 GMT -5
www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgiYOUR TOP 15: Eight new titles will bow in the Top 15 next week, including the new one from classic-rock giant Bob Seger. Among the holdovers, Sam Smith increases by as much as 50% with help from CBS Sunday Morning and Today Show looks. Hereβs how things are shaping up as we head into the weekend. *Florida Georgia Line (Republic Nashville) 190-200k Jason Aldean (Broken Bow) 85-95k *Bob Seger (Capitol) 53-58k *You+Me (RCA) 45-50k Barbra Streisand (Columbia) 40-45k Sam Smith (Capitol) 34-38k *Hoodie Allen (Hoodie Allen) 31-35k *Game (eOne) 27-30k *U2 (Interscope) 25-28K Tony Bennett & Lady Gaga (Columbia/Interscope) 25-28k *Jessie J (Lava/Republic) 21-24k Blake Shelton (Warner Bros. Nashville) 20-23k *Idina Menzel (Warner Bros.) 18-21k Maroon 5 (222/Interscope) 18-21k Lady Antebellum (Capitol Nashville) 16-18k Frozen (Walt Disney) 15-17k Hozier (Columbia) 15-17k *Debuts
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Oct 16, 2014 18:16:00 GMT -5
Babs with potentially (perhaps likely) a top 5 year end. Craziness
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 16, 2014 18:20:54 GMT -5
I reckon that had U2 released it traditionally, sales might have been disappointing and the album would not be relevant for long. I don't disagree since their last album wasn't relevant for long. But I still think it would have opened with decent first week numbers anyway.
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Post by Enigma. on Oct 17, 2014 7:41:47 GMT -5
I think they could've got a sort of hit out of it as well with a traditional release which would've translated into sales too.
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Post by pnobelysk on Oct 17, 2014 8:19:53 GMT -5
Babs with potentially (perhaps likely) a top 5 year end. Craziness Yeah I agree I think they would've opened with 200k ish
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Post by Push The Button on Oct 17, 2014 9:00:27 GMT -5
Not a bad debut for Idina in the middle of October. She should have no problem scanning 500k by the end of the year.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Oct 17, 2014 9:27:37 GMT -5
With the U2 album, I thought it automatically appeared in iTunes libraries?
In any event, without the freebie, I think the album would have easily opened with at least 200K, based on the band's past openings.
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