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Post by Gary on Nov 5, 2014 14:10:28 GMT -5
No one entity can boost sales anyway with such things. There are filters in place to take out these things. For instance, if had $400,000 just sitting around doing nothing and I wanted to buy $40,000 copies of '1989' because well, I want to see it be #1, it would be excluded from the totals.
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Post by Dylan :) on Nov 5, 2014 14:43:15 GMT -5
Shake It Off #1 again!!
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Post by Caviar on Nov 5, 2014 14:51:07 GMT -5
Wrong thread?
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Post by Gary on Nov 5, 2014 14:52:07 GMT -5
Well the Billboard thread will subtract 40K from the totals and Shake it Off will end up #2 - LOL
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Post by Dylan :) on Nov 5, 2014 15:01:13 GMT -5
Well, it is the lead single of 1989. Hmm, I guess.
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Post by Dylan :) on Nov 5, 2014 15:01:51 GMT -5
Well the Billboard thread will subtract 40K from the totals and Shake it Off will end up #2 - LOL The Billboard thread is out?
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Post by badrobot on Nov 5, 2014 17:28:11 GMT -5
I've worked at a record label and worked in music retail stores and never come across any talk of padding or similar techniques.
And the Google comparison is ludicrous -- that algorithm is intellectual property, not a secret plot, and it's complex as hell (and even then competitors are able to roughly copy it, like Bing).
My point is that there are no shortage of sketchy things that labels do to boost their artists, you don't have to go inventing any. They pay independent promoters to get radio stations to play their artists. They over-certify albums by shipping more than they'll sell. They give away albums with concert tickets. They heavily discount albums or singles to boost sales. They release last minute remixes to get songs to #1. They pay Clear Channel to play a song every hour on the hour all day. They probably even do encourage their employees to buy albums by their own artists.
But this notion that it's super easy to just ring up tens of thousands of extra fake sales whenever they feel like it makes no sense. And calling me naive for saying that is patronizing. It's like saying, "oh, you don't think lizard people secretly control the government? How naive. You've got a lot to learn."
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 5, 2014 18:23:26 GMT -5
Well I know for a fact they do. I've heard it from multiple people who don't know each other who are also in the industry. Maybe you were just at an "honest" label. And surely if they were going to do something, it would be online, and not at an actual retail store. Before the internet maybe, but not now. That, I agree, makes no sense.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 5, 2014 19:00:32 GMT -5
Hearsay isn't fact
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Nov 5, 2014 19:26:02 GMT -5
No one entity can boost sales anyway with such things. There are filters in place to take out these things. For instance, if had $400,000 just sitting around doing nothing and I wanted to buy $40,000 copies of '1989' because well, I want to see it be #1, it would be excluded from the totals. Only if you bought them all at the same time. If you spread it out over different retailers and over the course of the week and all 40k copies would count. It's bulk purchases that are excluded, not people buying a lot of copies.
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Post by Gary on Nov 5, 2014 19:46:37 GMT -5
No one entity can boost sales anyway with such things. There are filters in place to take out these things. For instance, if had $400,000 just sitting around doing nothing and I wanted to buy $40,000 copies of '1989' because well, I want to see it be #1, it would be excluded from the totals. Only if you bought them all at the same time. If you spread it out over different retailers and over the course of the week and all 40k copies would count. It's bulk purchases that are excluded, not people buying a lot of copies. I don't know what the threshold is. But if one person buys a lot of copies, it eventually becomes a "bulk purchase"
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