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Post by samsager3 on Jul 17, 2015 7:45:38 GMT -5
I hope this gets number 1 and they fall quickly so it can free up chart space I'm sure it will get to number 1 but I can see it having a fast burn rate. I personally don't like this song but I like a lot of stuf off of their current album so hopefully such a long chart run with this hasn't derailed their momentum.
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Post by Zazie on Jul 17, 2015 8:39:30 GMT -5
^ Doesn't pretty much every song fall quickly now? One drop week, two drop weeks at the most -- there are about half a dozen songs a year that fall more slowly than that. Whether you enjoy the song or not, you aren't asking for anything out of the ordinary, although it can stay on top of the mongrel chart for 1,000 weeks alongside its airplay chart drop.
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Post by rsmatto on Jul 17, 2015 9:22:36 GMT -5
I hope this gets number 1 and they fall quickly so it can free up chart space I'm sure it will get to number 1 but I can see it having a fast burn rate. I personally don't like this song but I like a lot of stuf off of their current album so hopefully such a long chart run with this hasn't derailed their momentum. Derailed their momentum? Their momentum is off the charts high, I don't even think "Pontoon" had the sort of momentum overall that this track has given the band, particularly when you add Hot AC chart stuff on top of the band's country sales and continued dominance of sales chart with this one.
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Post by rjz on Jul 17, 2015 10:02:03 GMT -5
I hope this gets number 1 and they fall quickly so it can free up chart space I'm sure it will get to number 1 but I can see it having a fast burn rate. I personally don't like this song but I like a lot of stuf off of their current album so hopefully such a long chart run with this hasn't derailed their momentum. Yeah, I agree with Matt-their momentum has never been so high.....because of this song. Huge sales, a bonafide hit (not just radio/label induced) and lots of buzz. LBT has been really underrated all these years-one of my favorite group bands and although I like Girl Crush/bought it-it isn't my favorite (only because I'm not generally a big fan of really slow ballads). But I appreciate the beauty of the song and it deserves everything it is getting and I'm really happy what it has done for LBT.
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Post by samsager3 on Jul 17, 2015 10:03:26 GMT -5
I hope this gets number 1 and they fall quickly so it can free up chart space I'm sure it will get to number 1 but I can see it having a fast burn rate. I personally don't like this song but I like a lot of stuf off of their current album so hopefully such a long chart run with this hasn't derailed their momentum. Derailed their momentum? Their momentum is off the charts high, I don't even think "Pontoon" had the sort of momentum overall that this track has given the band, particularly when you add Hot AC chart stuff on top of the band's country sales and continued dominance of sales chart with this one. I was talking radio momentum. No doubt their sales momentum is high, but it seems when a song take so long to peek it details an artists momentum. It's just my opinion and I hope I'm wrong because the rest of their album is amazing in my opinion
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 10:06:03 GMT -5
Derailed their momentum? Their momentum is off the charts high, I don't even think "Pontoon" had the sort of momentum overall that this track has given the band, particularly when you add Hot AC chart stuff on top of the band's country sales and continued dominance of sales chart with this one. I was talking radio momentum. No doubt their sales momentum is high, but it seems when a song take so long to peek it details an artists momentum. It's just my opinion and I hope I'm wrong because the rest of their album is amazing in my opinion Oh no their momentum with radio is fine. The song only took a little while cause it hit a bump in the road in the 30s besides that though this song has only helped increase it more and more.
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Post by rsmatto on Jul 17, 2015 10:08:04 GMT -5
Derailed their momentum? Their momentum is off the charts high, I don't even think "Pontoon" had the sort of momentum overall that this track has given the band, particularly when you add Hot AC chart stuff on top of the band's country sales and continued dominance of sales chart with this one. I was talking radio momentum. No doubt their sales momentum is high, but it seems when a song take so long to peek it details an artists momentum. It's just my opinion and I hope I'm wrong because the rest of their album is amazing in my opinion Their radio momentum is just fine. But since they're not Blake Shelton or Luke Bryan, their not guaranteed Top 10 singles with each release. I think this album will net them another Top 10 single before they move on to a follow-up record, though. So that, to me, is that their momentum is just fine.
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Post by samsager3 on Jul 17, 2015 10:10:59 GMT -5
I was talking radio momentum. No doubt their sales momentum is high, but it seems when a song take so long to peek it details an artists momentum. It's just my opinion and I hope I'm wrong because the rest of their album is amazing in my opinion Oh no their momentum with radio is fine. The song only took a little while cause it hit a bump in the road in the 30s besides that though this song has only helped increase it more and more. In that case hopefully pain killer is up next.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 18:48:25 GMT -5
This has to be the final push. LBT will have a bullet of at least 1200 spins on Mediabase by the end of the week, and they'll be at about 8000 spins total, giving them only about 300 more spins to gain before reaching the absolute ceiling on Mediabase. I don't think I've ever seen a song gain over a thousand spins this close to #1 and live to tell the tale the following week. If by some miracle I'm wrong here and "Girl Crush" pulls through to reach #1 next week, I'll happily eat my shoe, but unfortunately, it looks like GC will end up with a #2 peak.
This is really the same bizarre situation that occurred with Canaan Smith's "Love You Like That" last week. Universal took a record that had a few weeks of life left in it and did a massive push for #1 when they were nowhere near #1 levels. The only explanation I can think of for these pushes is that Universal had worked out a deal with radio a while ago and scheduled these #1 pushes weeks in advance, before Jason Aldean had passed Canaan and LBT on the charts. Maybe Mercury was having trouble keeping Canaan's song going since it was over 40 weeks old, and so the only way the label could gain more radio cooperation was to give radio a hard deadline for when each song could be taken out of rotation. Easton's push was scheduled for June 29-July 5, Canaan's for July 6-12, and LBT's for July 13-19. Since Jason going up ahead wasn't figured into the schedule apparently, all UMG could do once he made the pass was do their best to push Canaan and LBT back ahead.
I will say that "Girl Crush" would have naturally gone up ahead of both Canaan Smith and Jason Aldean in my view. Canaan's record was way behind "Girl Crush" on the All Stations Mediabase chart for most of its run outside the Top 10, and suspiciously LBT's song slowed down on the published charts just as it was starting to pass Canaan's song. (For the record, "Girl Crush" actually did hit the Top 10 on Billboard Country Airplay while Canaan was only #12, but the following week GC was knocked out of the Top 10 and "Love You Like That" jumped ahead.) If LBT and Canaan weren't on the same label, I think "Girl Crush" would have climbed more quickly and hit #1 last week before "Tonight Looks Good on You" caught up to it, so it looks like Little Big Town had to take one for the team here. I'm sure Universal cared more about getting Canaan his #1 since "Girl Crush" is already proven to be a monster hit, while Canaan's had a long slow climb and he could still be leaning towards the "one hit wonder" label.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 19:07:21 GMT -5
Yeah I think this week is the push. The thing is Jason is hosting CCUSA not this upcoming week but the following week. That has also screamed fishy to me. I think this is Broken Bow not playing nice. Canaan lucked out but unless Little Big Town throws everything and the sink out I don't see this hitting #1.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 21:22:06 GMT -5
This has to be the final push. I agree that it looks that way, but I'm still not convinced. I need to see negative updates on Monday and/or Tuesday morning. Canaan is already falling fast, Jason will start to fall next week, but if LBT falls...that would leave an extremely/unusually soft top 3/top 5 next week. Brantley Gilbert is putting up big numbers and he'll surely be getting more power conversions next week (Valory will probably be going for #1 next weekend), but after him it's a ways back to Michael Ray and Luke Bryan. Neither of them will be getting much in the way of top 3/power conversions next week. So I still think it's possible that radio will keep LBT in power rotation through next week. Maybe it doesn't happen, though. Like I said, I need to see what the numbers look like on Monday and Tuesday morning.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Jul 17, 2015 21:45:58 GMT -5
It has to peak eventually, since my mom's starting to turn it off again.
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Post by countryman87 on Jul 17, 2015 22:41:49 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind seeing this peaking at #2. I may be one of very few that doesn't mind the revolving door at #1 but at the same time would like to see a few more songs peak in the 2-10 range. I think that would speed the chart some.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 17, 2015 22:46:30 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind seeing this peaking at #2. I may be one of very few that doesn't mind the revolving door at #1 but at the same time would like to see a few more songs peak in the 2-10 range. I think that would speed the chart some. But of all the songs to peak at #2, it should be stuff like "Love You Like That," not the indisputable biggest country hit of the year. It will be an absolute crying shame if this doesn't go #1 on the airplay charts. Literally the most deserving of that title of any song released this year. I damn sure hope it can still get there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 22:57:42 GMT -5
This should finish well on the all genre 2015 Year End chart at the rate this is going.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 23:31:51 GMT -5
Yeah I think this week is the push. The thing is Jason is hosting CCUSA not this upcoming week but the following week. That has also screamed fishy to me. I think this is Broken Bow not playing nice. Canaan lucked out but unless Little Big Town throws everything and the sink out I don't see this hitting #1. Normally I agree that Broken Bow is absurdly cutthroat with their radio promotion, but that is not really the case here. Last week was Jason's turn at #1, and Universal went to extreme efforts to snatch Jason's week from him with the push for "Love You Like That." They are clearly trying to do the same thing again with "Girl Crush." I can't blame Broken Bow at all for pushing this song as they have been doing. Even if Broken Bow were to decide to make a special effort to play nice, Jason would need to practically lose the bullet this week in order to allow LBT to pass him and hit #1. With the possibility of a #1 push from Brantley Gilbert's team next week, it's not safe at all for Broken Bow to be lying down on the job, nor is there any reason or incentive for them to. Universal is the one being aggressive in this situation. I wouldn't mind seeing this peaking at #2. I may be one of very few that doesn't mind the revolving door at #1 but at the same time would like to see a few more songs peak in the 2-10 range. I think that would speed the chart some. I'm all for getting rid of the revolving door at #1 on the country charts, but the way things are these days it is totally random which songs miss #1, and usually when a song misses the top but peaks in the Top 5 it has nothing to do with the song's merits but rather with label politics. Universal could have gotten LBT to #1 sooner but they pushed "Love You Like That" ahead, obviously thinking Canaan more desperately needs his song to be remembered as an airplay #1 after a year-long chart run, while "Girl Crush" has already proven itself to be a smash hit with great digital sales and 12 weeks at #1 on the Hot Country Songs chart, so it's not like anyone's going to write GC off as not a hit if it doesn't get to #1 on the airplay charts. If the travesty of this missing the top does become a reality, this won't be the first time that the biggest hit of the year misses out on #1, though, as "This Is How We Roll" and "That's My Kind of Night" both peaked at #2 on Billboard Country Airplay. Ironically, both were involved in similar situations of labels manipulating the charts to push label mates ahead. TMKON's #1 was sacrificed for the sake of pushing "Hey Girl" to #1 and TIHWR was sacrificed for the sake of pushing "Get Me Some of That" and "Rewind" to #1. I guess the logic the labels use is that, when there are multiple label mates peaking at the same time, it is more important to get the song that has not been as big of a hit with sales and research to #1. When a song is naturally really popular with listeners, an airplay #1 is not as necessary to add to the song's already long list of merits, as it will be remembered as a big hit with or without peaking at the top of the airplay charts. Sony used this same logic last winter when pushing "Perfect Storm," "Til It's Gone," and "Something in the Water." Brad and Kenny weren't selling that well, so Sony was more concerned about getting them to #1 so they'd have an accomplishment to their names, while Carrie had huge digital sales and streaming numbers as well as a #1 peak on the Hot Country Songs chart, so from the label's perspective an airplay #1 was not as necessary for SITW to be remembered as a hit. Obviously this system is flawed, though, as airplay should not be awarded based on which song needs the airplay the most, but rather which song deserves the airplay the most based on the numbers. However, at the end of the day I'm less concerned about which songs peak at #1 and which peak at #2 and more concerned about songs that are carried 10+ spaces past their natural peak positions by label manipulation, such as Brad Paisley's "Crushin' It," which has been treading water in the teens for months now and will be 26 weeks old on the next published Billboard chart, which is insane for a format A-lister.
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Post by Marv on Jul 18, 2015 19:07:15 GMT -5
Following up a standout #1 single in 'Day Drinking' with another megasmash such as this should demolish any thoughts about momentum issues with these folks at country radio; not sure where that line of reasoning came from.
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Post by samsager3 on Jul 19, 2015 7:07:37 GMT -5
Following up a standout #1 single in 'Day Drinking' with another megasmash such as this should demolish any thoughts about momentum issues with these folks at country radio; not sure where that line of reasoning came from. The reasoning came from the lengthy chart run this has had as it has derided follow ups in the past. I realize it's turned into a big hit I just hope the next single hopefully won't get jammed in the 20s
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Post by rsmatto on Jul 19, 2015 10:37:45 GMT -5
Following up a standout #1 single in 'Day Drinking' with another megasmash such as this should demolish any thoughts about momentum issues with these folks at country radio; not sure where that line of reasoning came from. The reasoning came from the lengthy chart run this has had as it has derided follow ups in the past. I realize it's turned into a big hit I just hope the next single hopefully won't get jammed in the 20s That may happen. It's not because a song has a lack of quality. Just that Girl C us his gonna have a long recurrent shelf life. That CAN derail/slow down songs. But "Day Drinking" did that to this too.
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Post by samsager3 on Jul 19, 2015 10:42:04 GMT -5
The reasoning came from the lengthy chart run this has had as it has derided follow ups in the past. I realize it's turned into a big hit I just hope the next single hopefully won't get jammed in the 20s That may happen. It's not because a song has a lack of quality. Just that Girl C us his gonna have a long recurrent shelf life. That CAN derail/slow down songs. But "Day Drinking" did that to this too. I never meant to say this song has a lack of quality quite the opposite while I can't relate to it in any way at all, it's a beautiful song I just didn't like the long chart run is all.
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Post by rsmatto on Jul 19, 2015 21:01:43 GMT -5
I was talking about the follow-up.
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Post by Marv on Jul 20, 2015 3:18:03 GMT -5
Lengthy chart runs aren't new to many of us since some of the format's very biggest hits of this decade needed 8-10+ months to conclude their chart runs.
The two instances which come to mind for me at once would be 'Love Like Crazy', which spent some 11 months on the BB chart enroute to finishing #1 for the year in 2010, as well as 'Are You Gonna Kiss Me or Not?', which wound up #1 for the year in 2011 at R&R/Mediabase after a leisurely 36-week long climb to #1.
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Post by sgtoddball on Jul 20, 2015 8:21:05 GMT -5
This not reaching the top of the charts is a real embarrassment to the Genre and Radio.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 14:11:07 GMT -5
This not reaching the top of the charts is a real embarrassment to the Genre and Radio. It's really only an embarrassment to LBT's label. Radio had no problem playing this and it would've gone to #1 with no trouble at all had Capitol played its cards right. However, no one is going to remember this missed number one a year from now (aside from chart junkies like us at Pulse). I heard a DJ on the radio the other day calling this "the #1 song at country radio for eleven weeks" and most people will just get on Wikipedia and see this went to #1 on HCS without ever realizing there's a difference between HCS and Country Airplay. Universal still gets to call this a number-one hit and I'm sure the label will even throw a #1 party. This'll easily be remembered as the biggest hit of Little Big Town's career.
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Post by fearlessarrow on Jul 20, 2015 22:18:13 GMT -5
It does look like this song is going to peak at #2. Valory has an ad for Brantley Gilbert on the Billboard country update that says "Max spins now, for #1" which means "One Hell of an Amen" is going #1 this week.
Such a shame that out of all songs THIS had to fall short of #1.
EDIT: I just saw that "One Hell of an Amen" leaped past "Girl Crush" on BB for the #2 spot... So the official peaks for "Girl Crush" would be #2 on MB/#3 on BB.
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Post by Tylerjamesnerd on Jul 20, 2015 22:52:08 GMT -5
It does look like this song is going to peak at #2. Valory has an ad for Brantley Gilbert on the Billboard country update that says "Max spins now, for #1" which means "One Hell of an Amen" is going #1 this week. Such a shame that out of all songs THIS had to fall short of #1. EDIT: I just saw that "One Hell of an Amen" leaped past "Girl Crush" on BB for the #2 spot... So the official peaks for "Girl Crush" would be #2 on MB/#3 on BB. I think and hope this can hit number 1. I'm not so sure they are out of the fight just yet. I really hope they can get to number 1.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 0:17:09 GMT -5
This not reaching the top of the charts is a real embarrassment to the Genre and Radio. It's really only an embarrassment to LBT's label. Radio had no problem playing this and it would've gone to #1 with no trouble at all had Capitol played its cards right. I disagree that this is Capitol's fault. They may have done quite a big push this week...but so did Valory with Brantley. Brantley actually out-gained them, and yet he's doing max spins this week now. So why can Brantley have 2 big weeks in a row but not LBT? Brantley did get some extra spins Friday-Sunday after the tragedy in Chattanooga, but he had huge gains at the beginning of the week too. If Capitol chooses not to push this for #1 here, it's likely because they're facing just a little bit of resistance from radio, in my opinion. And of course it doesn't help that Jason pushed the #1 total past 50 million, and that Brantley is suddenly white hot right now. The research for "Girl Crush" has always been polarizing, especially in regards to male listeners. It's had a high burn rate for almost its entire run, probably because the people who don't like it have been saying that they're tired of it pretty much from the moment it was released. The songs from Jason, Brantley, Michael Ray, and Canaan Smith aren't generating nearly the negative scores or high burn rate that "Girl Crush" is, but nor are they generating the high positive and passion scores that "Girl Crush" is. I believe that radio wants to move this out of power rotation as quickly as possible, that way they don't have to risk listeners changing the dial whenever it comes on. I think it's absolutely ridiculous..."Girl Crush" is probably bringing just as many people back to country radio as it's driving away from radio. I also think it's ridiculous because I doubt that a few weeks of power rotation for this one polarizing song (which shouldn't matter because of how big of a hit this is) will seriously affect any station's long-term ratings. The stations will be just fine. "Girl Crush" has unarguably been the biggest hit of the year, and it's an embarrassment that it might not make it to #1 at country radio, when songs that have made much less of an impact make it there every single week. If this could keep gaining for another 2 weeks yet, maybe gaining 2 mil a week or so, then they could still try to go #1 after Jason and Brantley clear out, and their only competition would be Michael Ray. But I think Capitol knows that radio just isn't going to play ball here, and so I think that's why they did such a big push for "Girl Crush" this past week, just to get it as high as they possibly could. Who knows, though. Like I said, if Brantley Gilbert can gain 6.8 million in one week and then turn around and "power it up" for #1 the very next week, I think it's possible for LBT to keep gaining as well, as long as the label doesn't pull support. We should know tomorrow...if GC shows even a small gain, that likely indicates that it's not done. But if it posts a loss, then it's almost certainly done. I do think it's more likely that this one has peaked, but the reason I'm exploring other scenarios is because it's just so hard for me to imagine radio not making this a #1 hit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 5:26:27 GMT -5
Well, this morning's update confirms it. "Girl Crush" is done. It lost about 1.5 million.
And @daydrinker was right, that BBR is continuing to push Jason's TLGOY. I figured BBR would want a 2-week Billboard #1 but then when Canaan stole the Billboard #1 from Jason at pretty much the last possible minute, I figured BBR would be pretty unhappy but I didn't think they'd push Jason past the 19th. Basically, I figured that BBR's plan was to have Jason at #1 on the 13th and the 20th, and then they'd let go. And maybe that was the case, but then Canaan stole the #1 last week. Now it definitely looks like Jason is going to try for what could have been a 3rd week at #1, had it not been for Canaan's ridiculous push. Jason's up more than 500k today, and that's going to make it very difficult for Valory and Brantley Gilbert. At this rate, Jason is likely to set the new Billboard audience record, and he's already set a new spins record on Mediabase (up to 8517 this morning).
I'm just really disappointed at the turn of events over the last few weeks. I guess I do agree with daydrinker that a portion of the blame can be placed on UMG; however, I think radio is still just as much at fault, if not more so. Again, if Brantley Gilbert can get a big 2-week push, then surely Capitol could have kept GC going as well...but I think radio was just ready to be done with this song (and they most likely communicated that to Capitol, hence why the label decided not to even bother continuing the push for GC this week). "Girl Crush" had a few big weeks recently as it picked up a lot of top 10 conversions, but let's not forget that it stalled badly just outside the top 10, that it sputtered big time in the 30's, and that it didn't move up through the teens nearly as quickly as lesser hits did. To me, all of that indicates some resistance from radio.
Back to talking about the label...I hope they realize that they really did a poor job of managing the charts the last few weeks. Someone at UMG gave Mercury the green light for such a monstrous push for "Love You Like That", and I'm really annoyed at whoever it was, because that completely ruined LBT's chances for a #1. All it did was p*ss off BBR. So yeah, just some poor 'managing' of the charts here at the end..."Girl Crush" was looking like a surefire #1 but then the whole Canaan Smith fiasco kind of ruined it for everybody. Now even Brantley Gilbert might come up short.
I'm all for more multi-week #1's and I do think "Tonight Looks Good On You" has been a pretty big hit for Jason, but it hasn't been nearly the hit that "Girl Crush" has been. I mean, "Girl Crush" is still #1 on the Country Digital Songs chart and it's still selling 90k+ copies a week. This is a career record for LBT, and it's just really disappointing that it won't be a #1 radio hit. Yeah, yeah, I know it's been a 13-week #1 on Hot Country Songs, but that chart has way too many flaws for me to consider it a legitimate chart.
"Girl Crush" has topped both the Country Digital Songs and Country Streaming Songs charts for multiple weeks, and so it's just really disappointing that it won't be an airplay #1 as well. "Girl Crush" peaked at #2 on Mediabase and #3 on Billboard Country Airplay.
To clarify: I don't think the streaming and digital and airplay charts should all mirror each other. Otherwise, what would be the point of having separate charts for each? But when a song is as big as "Girl Crush" has been, it just seems really dumb that it can't snag at least one week at #1 on radio.
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Post by ¤ Matthea ¤ on Jul 21, 2015 6:39:01 GMT -5
While it's sad that country radio didn't show more support for this stunning song, it's not like it needs it. GC is easily outperforming the other songs in sales and streaming and that's the area that really matters. Airplay hits that do modestly on sales and streaming are meaningless numbers.
I'm personally very happy that Hot Country Songs isn't airplay only chart anymore. And it's not just because of GC.
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Post by SoMuchToSay on Jul 21, 2015 10:15:14 GMT -5
What a joke of a genre when a song that spends 13+ weeks at #1 on the main chart (which is based on its actual public popularity) is blocked by songs that aren't even in the top 10 downloads OR top 15 streaming songs for the week (Jason and Brantley).
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