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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Dec 24, 2014 0:53:57 GMT -5
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Post by halo19 on Dec 24, 2014 13:41:18 GMT -5
Oceania wasn't very promoted in a singles sense. The Celestials wasn't released until after the album. Freak in 10 did better than I honestly expected. Glow was the last hit of significance and that wasn't on an album.
Tarantula was released in a decent deal of time before Zeitgeist, when some people were still far more interested in "Smashing Pumpkins" music. Personnel has always been a pedantic point of skepticism about "reunion" Pumpkins music, based off Zwan and the official solo Billy Corgan album.
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Post by American Idiot on Dec 24, 2014 13:55:08 GMT -5
I think it has something to do with '90s acts, cause 311 and Bush's latest albums didn't post big numbers either. Maybe if their singles did better but they're collapsing on radio too. (Even though 311 and Bush had hits just a couple years ago.) Out with the old, in with the new, I guess? Very few bands can maintain relevancy past a decade. It's been over 20 years since Siamese Dream. Those groupies are soccer moms now. This is very sad but true. The bands that I grew up listening to and still are my favorites today are ancient to pre-teens that are just getting into music now. For example, I went to see The Offspring, Bad Religion, Pennywise, and Stiff Little Fingers this past summer. I'm 31, but to be honest, I felt like one of the younger people there as I didn't see anyone younger than say their mid-20s. It made me think while The Offspring was the only one of those bands to be big in the mainstream, "Smash" came out over twenty years ago. Why would many people under the age of twenty-five be there?
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Dec 24, 2014 23:55:57 GMT -5
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I understand what you are saying, but I believe this isn't the case for for all bands. Most youngsters even under 25, know well of the name Nirvana. Pearl jam and STP, even with a different vocalists still hit Top 10 on Rock and Alt charts. I think it's more of a case of staying in the limelight. Something Billy Corgan just hasn't done. Same with Sound Garden. Didn't they release new songs about a month ago?
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Post by American Idiot on Dec 25, 2014 0:39:06 GMT -5
American idiot I understand what you are saying, but I believe this isn't the case for for all bands. Most youngsters even under 25, know well of the name Nirvana. Pearl jam and STP, even with a different vocalists still hit Top 10 on Rock and Alt charts. I think it's more of a case of staying in the limelight. Something Billy Corgan just hasn't done. Same with Sound Garden. Didn't they release new songs about a month ago? Very valid point. I guess it depends on the band and how their impact is today. Many of my co-workers are in their younger or mid-20s and know plenty of songs from 90s as they're still recurrents on rock stations now.
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Post by The Party Captain on Dec 27, 2014 19:26:58 GMT -5
The best bands can hope for is to have a body of work that gets continually rediscovered by new listeners. Now, not every album can be "Dark Side of the Moon," but you have some bands such as Red Hot Chili Peppers and Weezer who had long enough heydays to find fans in Generation X, Y, and Millennials.
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Post by Lordef†ones on Dec 28, 2014 9:30:32 GMT -5
I think STP still find success since their new vocalist is a popular 00s guy. Maybe if Billy Corgan had replaced his band with the guys from Green Day, The Smashing Pumpkins would have free passes to the top.
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Post by American Idiot on Dec 28, 2014 12:40:50 GMT -5
I think STP still find success since their new vocalist is a popular 00s guy. Maybe if Billy Corgan had replaced his band with the guys from Green Day, The Smashing Pumpkins would have free passes to the top. I think Green Day's going that unfortunate route as well. I know "Oh Love" peaked at #3, but "Let Yourself Go" only hit #18 and "X-Kid" at #35. However, I think most would agree that these songs aren't nearly as good as much of their material from the past.
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Post by Green Baron on Dec 28, 2014 12:43:29 GMT -5
I think STP still find success since their new vocalist is a popular 00s guy. Maybe if Billy Corgan had replaced his band with the guys from Green Day, The Smashing Pumpkins would have free passes to the top. I think Green Day's going that unfortunate route as well. I know "Oh Love" peaked at #3, but "Let Yourself Go" only hit #18 and "X-Kid" at #35. However, I think most would agree that these songs aren't nearly as good as much of their material from the past.But that doesn't matter. It's not like PD's say, "Hey, even though this song is by one of the biggest Alt acts ever, it sucks, so we should stop playing it."
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Post by American Idiot on Dec 28, 2014 12:46:33 GMT -5
I think Green Day's going that unfortunate route as well. I know "Oh Love" peaked at #3, but "Let Yourself Go" only hit #18 and "X-Kid" at #35. However, I think most would agree that these songs aren't nearly as good as much of their material from the past.But that doesn't matter. It's not like PD's say, "Hey, even though this song is by one of the biggest Alt acts ever, it sucks, so we should stop playing it." Right. I don't know how this is possible, but let's say Foo Fighters released a complete crap song. I think it would still do great at the moment on Alternative and Active.
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Dec 28, 2014 21:53:36 GMT -5
I think STP still find success since their new vocalist is a popular 00s guy. Maybe if Billy Corgan had replaced his band with the guys from Green Day, The Smashing Pumpkins would have free passes to the top. I think Green Day's going that unfortunate route as well. I know "Oh Love" peaked at #3, but "Let Yourself Go" only hit #18 and "X-Kid" at #35. However, I think most would agree that these songs aren't nearly as good as much of their material from the past. "Let Yourself Go" actually peaked at #13 on Alternative (on Mediabase). I think if they release another "American Idiot"-like single/album for their next effort quality-wise (which I hope they do), that could once again save them on Alternative. If I recall, they were starting to falter on Alternative after "Warning", but "American Idiot" saved them. Let's hope they can score a second revival.
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Post by Green Baron on Dec 28, 2014 21:56:58 GMT -5
I think Green Day's going that unfortunate route as well. I know "Oh Love" peaked at #3, but "Let Yourself Go" only hit #18 and "X-Kid" at #35. However, I think most would agree that these songs aren't nearly as good as much of their material from the past. "Let Yourself Go" actually peaked at #13 on Alternative. goddamn you billboard and your five-position snubbing
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Post by shakermaker on Dec 28, 2014 22:40:53 GMT -5
I think Green Day's going that unfortunate route as well. I know "Oh Love" peaked at #3, but "Let Yourself Go" only hit #18 and "X-Kid" at #35. However, I think most would agree that these songs aren't nearly as good as much of their material from the past.But that doesn't matter. It's not like PD's say, "Hey, even though this song is by one of the biggest Alt acts ever, it sucks, so we should stop playing it." Not really like that per se, but in the radio business it's more "Hey, even though this song is by one of the biggest Alt acts ever, it sucks the audience ratings suck, so we should stop playing it." In recent years I've just found that in several cases low audience has reflected the mediocrity of certain acts' new material (just look at "X-Kid"'s mediocre 0.567 rating as it was at its peak in spins, which would place it at #46 if the chart was arranged according to audience).
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Post by Green Baron on Dec 28, 2014 22:46:11 GMT -5
But that doesn't matter. It's not like PD's say, "Hey, even though this song is by one of the biggest Alt acts ever, it sucks, so we should stop playing it." Not really like that per se, but in the radio business it's more "Hey, even though this song is by one of the biggest Alt acts ever, it sucks the audience ratings suck, so we should stop playing it." In recent years I've just found that in several cases low audience has reflected the mediocrity of certain acts' new material (just look at "X-Kid"'s mediocre 0.567 rating as it was at its peak in spins, which would place it at #46 if the chart was arranged according to audience). That makes sense, although I have seen the reverse happen ("The Miracle (of Joey Ramone)" was ranked #11 at audience at one point), yet that never seems to make a song chart higher.
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Post by Web on Dec 31, 2014 13:36:45 GMT -5
I think STP still find success since their new vocalist is a popular 00s guy. Maybe if Billy Corgan had replaced his band with the guys from Green Day, The Smashing Pumpkins would have free passes to the top. I think Green Day's going that unfortunate route as well. I know "Oh Love" peaked at #3, but "Let Yourself Go" only hit #18 and "X-Kid" at #35. However, I think most would agree that these songs aren't nearly as good as much of their material from the past. I don't think Green Day is done yet. Their last album's promotion schedule was horribly rushed after Billie Joe had the rehab incident. All of those singles crowded together in a few months were easily going to cannibalize each other. If they have a rough next era, they're done. But if next album's singles are handled better they might have a shot, and I hope they do well as they are one of my all-time favorite acts. Either way though, they've been around for 25 years. There's a certain point where the old standards have to bow out in favor of new blood. It's what keeps genres fresh and constantly evolving.
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Post by Green Baron on Dec 31, 2014 14:24:24 GMT -5
I think Green Day's going that unfortunate route as well. I know "Oh Love" peaked at #3, but "Let Yourself Go" only hit #18 and "X-Kid" at #35. However, I think most would agree that these songs aren't nearly as good as much of their material from the past. I don't think Green Day is done yet. Their last album's promotion schedule was horribly rushed after Billie Joe had the rehab incident. All of those singles crowded together in a few months were easily going to cannibalize each other. If they have a rough next era, they're done. But if next album's singles are handled better they might have a shot, and I hope they do well as they are one of my all-time favorite acts. Either way though, they've been around for 25 years. There's a certain point where the old standards have to bow out in favor of new blood. It's what keeps genres fresh and constantly evolving. I don't see why the old and new can't coexist
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Post by Web on Dec 31, 2014 14:38:10 GMT -5
I don't think Green Day is done yet. Their last album's promotion schedule was horribly rushed after Billie Joe had the rehab incident. All of those singles crowded together in a few months were easily going to cannibalize each other. If they have a rough next era, they're done. But if next album's singles are handled better they might have a shot, and I hope they do well as they are one of my all-time favorite acts. Either way though, they've been around for 25 years. There's a certain point where the old standards have to bow out in favor of new blood. It's what keeps genres fresh and constantly evolving. I don't see why the old and new can't coexist Because there's a constant stream of new and emerging artists, and it's impossible for all of the old acts to stay relevant without compromising the new acts from emerging. You'll always have format staples, but as they age and lose their audience they get replaced by new format staples. Eventually every act reaches the end of its radio relevancy, it's just a shame that Green Day might be facing it if they don't have a stellar next project.
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Jan 17, 2015 2:01:27 GMT -5
...and just like that , this song is out of Active Rock chart. Who did they piss of in the Music industry?
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Post by krissirge on Jan 18, 2015 10:28:40 GMT -5
...and just like that , this song is out of Active Rock chart. Who did they piss of in the Music industry? Knowing Billy Corgan, probably everybody
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Post by Lordef†ones on Jan 18, 2015 22:55:20 GMT -5
One of the best songs of the year from the album of the year and it's shunned by radio. Just goes to show popularity =/= quality in most cases.
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Post by Green Baron on Jan 18, 2015 22:57:23 GMT -5
I mean, radio should be obliged to play this. Alt, Active, whatever, I don't care.
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Post by krissirge on Jan 21, 2015 3:51:38 GMT -5
Did they send anything from this album to AC radio?
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