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Post by RockaByeBaby on Nov 19, 2014 20:31:47 GMT -5
I just want to know if RIAA will also update all album certifications based on the TEA system or not though?
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Nov 19, 2014 20:32:41 GMT -5
Billboard's posted an official post, along with this tidbit that will put some of the above worries to rest: linkNot including streams and TEA sales in the genre charts is even messier. Country it probably won't affect terribly since country streaming is low for pretty much everybody except the huge stars that are selling decently already, but for genre charts like the R&B/Hip-Hop or Electronic albums charts, you could have somebody with a top 10 album from streaming one week barely even register on their respective genre chart. So are they saying Bobby Shmurda should have a top 10 album BB200 album with his EP because of the inexplicable streams of Hot N*gga but not even be Top 10 in the sales based genre chart lol #mess. The real question here is when the figures from GhostTunes will be coming in lol
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Post by Rodze on Nov 19, 2014 20:45:56 GMT -5
Streaming makes perfectly sense for a song, but to make one song represent an entire album is more tricky. With this methodology, one hit single wonders will also become one hit album wonders (as a side note, imagine how past albums that had huge track sales would have performed under this new methodology -- Adele's 21, Gaga's Just Dance, Black Eyed Peas' The END and Katy Perry's Teenage Dream).
Although it could be argued that many albums are bought just because someone liked one song out of it, it is still weird. I would have agree without a second thought if Billboard wanted to use TEA to an overall artist album chart.
Also, I never liked the 1500 streams = album number Nielsen has been using in their reports. It always felt like a low number just to pad TEA sales. But as streaming grows, the number should also grow, hopefully to a higher ratio.
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Post by Spidey on Nov 19, 2014 20:47:52 GMT -5
I'm confused, what does TEA stand for?
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Post by Kurt on Nov 19, 2014 20:50:33 GMT -5
I'm confused, what does TEA stand for? Track Equivalent Albums
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Nov 19, 2014 20:51:27 GMT -5
I dont think 1500 seems low, for most deluxe albums released today that is about 100 streams/track, which is the RIAA equivalent for 1 digital download. Apply that across the whole album and you get 1500 streams. At an average of 3 minutes a track, that is 75 hours of consumption time spent on an album to equal 1 sale.
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Post by Juanca on Nov 19, 2014 21:03:22 GMT -5
Lots of questions ahead indeed. Interesting and foreseen development though. Some questions I have: - would 'catalog' albums be included too? - how will they count streaming of songs included in multiple albums? Like Bang Bang: Would it count half for Ariana's and half for Jessie's? - I assume remixes and special versions won't be counted if they're not included in album... - would this break the streak of the Now! Compilations? Streaming will count for the original albums I assume... - also greatest hits could be affected. How would Blown Away be counted next month for example if Carrie performs it as part of promo for her GH album? of course these are questions on top of all other already mentioned about singles downloaded before an album is released...
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Nov 19, 2014 21:08:05 GMT -5
And are viral videos going to make albums shoot top 10 randomly for a week and then disappear? I really don't see how a kid dancing to Billie Jean should give MJ a slot in the Top 10 of the Billboard 200...
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Post by Β€ Matthea Β€ on Nov 19, 2014 21:11:22 GMT -5
I think America needs a new music chart authority to replace Billboard.
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Post by pnobelysk on Nov 19, 2014 21:12:02 GMT -5
Ew . I think maybe this is a good idea , but not yet . Maybe a couple years from now ... But it doesn't seem fully thought out . And why can't this be a separate chart instead of claiming the name of the chart we've been following for years . I'd rather it become the billboard 150 instead of using these new rules
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Post by Rodze on Nov 19, 2014 21:22:43 GMT -5
I dont think 1500 seems low, for most deluxe albums released today that is about 100 streams/track, which is the RIAA equivalent for 1 digital download. Apply that across the whole album and you get 1500 streams. At an average of 3 minutes a track, that is 75 hours of consumption time spent on an album to equal 1 sale. That is probably the logic behind it, and it is not without sense. However, when someone buys an album, they may listen to it multiple times, yet that will only count as one sale ever. If someone listen to an album twice, now that will count as two sales. To me that's the biggest change. I feel like the ratio should be higher to account for that difference in Billboard's charts. On the other hand, it could be argued the new method is more efficient in measuring the album popularity weekly, because it can now tell us how popular an album based on how much people are still listening to it, rather than the finite sale transaction. At least 1500 streams = 1 sale is better than the Hot 100's ridiculous 40 streams = 1 sale (which would lead to 400/1 if we count 10 tracks, or 600/1 if we count 15 tracks).
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Nov 19, 2014 21:29:02 GMT -5
However, when someone buys an album, they may listen to it multiple times, yet that will only count as one sale ever. If someone listen to an album twice, now that will count as two sales. To me that's the biggest change. I feel like the ratio should be higher to account for that difference in Billboard's charts. Well I'd have to listen to the album all the way through about 100 times before it counts as a second sale. Most people are not listening to every album they buy that many times through. That's about 3 solid days of playing the album in a week to count as 1 sale, which nobody is going to be doing. It's like fanboys thinking they can impact the Hot 100 by watching a video on Youtube on loop. One person cannot have the type of impact that would be substantive on the chart rankings for it to really matter. You need a broad audience listening to the album for the streams to add up to a significant enough number to impact the chart. 1 or 2 "extra" sales on the margin aren't changing anything.
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Post by cause_for_celebration on Nov 19, 2014 21:33:01 GMT -5
This should be exciting!!! So it looks like only audio on-demand streams will count, not YouTube. And there will still be a separate Top Albums chart. Very interested in seeing the first chart, and I hope that it doesn't make it too difficult for Madonna to rack up some more No. 1s!
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Post by HolidayGuy on Nov 19, 2014 21:35:42 GMT -5
I guess something of this sort was expected, but... I dunno. It just seems like Billboard is looking for ways to have the make the charts more trendy. The thought behind it is good, but I'm not sure if the execution is the best it could be.
For historical purposes, the Top Albums chart still will serve a purpose.
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Post by surfy on Nov 19, 2014 21:40:35 GMT -5
I will keep following the Top Albums chart I suppose...
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Nov 19, 2014 21:47:25 GMT -5
I just don't understand why the Billboard 200 counldn't have remained the Billboard 200, and this chart be called something else. Bingo
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 19, 2014 21:52:22 GMT -5
I would rather them make this a separate chart and keep the Billboard 200 the way it is. The chart has always been about album sales. Adding streams into the mix just completely changes what the chart is. This. I'm all about introducing new and modern methods into how the charts are tabulated but there's something off about this particular instance and I can't help but think about how much it lessens the value of album sales.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Nov 19, 2014 21:53:05 GMT -5
Re 10 track sales from an album equaling an album sale- will they "double count," potentially toward the Hot 100 and Billboard 200?
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Post by The Upper Hand on Nov 19, 2014 21:55:36 GMT -5
Re 10 track sales from an album equaling an album sale- will they "double count," potentially toward the Hot 100 and Billboard 200? Yep.
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Post by Gary on Nov 19, 2014 22:00:12 GMT -5
Billboard 200 has always been about determining what is the 200 most popular albums in the country. As we all know, It is not necessarily about pure album sales anymore. This is a good thing, not a bad thing
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 19, 2014 22:01:08 GMT -5
On the other hand, it could be argued the new method is more efficient in measuring the album popularity weekly, because it can now tell us how popular an album based on how much people are still listening to it, rather than the finite sale transaction. This is also a good point and imo, the one true weakness of singles sales. In theory, a single could sell every copy it would ever sell in its first week of release and then tumble off the chart from #1. That would suggest the song is no longer popular but it's possible most of the people who bought it continued to listen to it for weeks and months afterward. Singles sales only tell part of the story. The same *could* be said for albums sales. I guess the thing is is that the album chart has always been based on sales so to suddenly change it now seems strange. I'd be all for a new chart. Though the BB200 as it is now will still exist. It'll just be relegated to subchart status.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Nov 19, 2014 22:02:19 GMT -5
Hopefully Top Current Albums will still exist.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Nov 19, 2014 22:14:37 GMT -5
I can't decide if this reinforces the single based market we've been in since iTunes came along since it will essential make the top 10 sales singles the top 10 albums or if it shifts the focus back to albums by giving deep cuts greater value in the age of streaming.
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Post by grandelf on Nov 20, 2014 2:12:54 GMT -5
To me it just seems labels were frustrated to see how badly albums have been performing in 2014 so they forced Billboard to change it up.
But it's not going to reflect the actual popularity of the album if it's one (or two) hit single that's streamed or purchased, basically they are just trying to fool themselves?!
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 20, 2014 2:51:47 GMT -5
I'm surprised that the US did this before the UK.. here this has been the case for a while and all my experiences regarding the album chart are positive.
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Post by shakermaker on Nov 20, 2014 5:22:19 GMT -5
I'm not wholly opposed to incorporating streaming on the chart per se but I'm finding the whole "a la carte track sales/streams = sales" to be a rather dubious methodology of measuring the popularity of an album as a whole. Hypothetically speaking, if an artist has a single big hit but nobody's playing the rest of their album, apparently the popularity of that one big hit is supposed to reflect the popularity of the entire album (hey, if Billboard's defending these changes as a means of reflecting "album popularity", there's no reason I can't use it against them here). I understand that Billboard is trying to address the shrinking album market and declining public interest for albums, but this is not the way to be approaching it. If anything it's only obscuring the situation even more.
And that's not even taking into account the potential annoyingly-long runs at #1 and the upper reaches of the chart getting extremely tilted towards today's big pop names (and subsequently, older artists who focus more on albums than singles - Garth Brooks, Dave Matthews Band, etc.) - getting shafted out of the top ten altogether). What a mess.
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 20, 2014 5:59:40 GMT -5
One hit single won't make the album chart better. I believe the term "track equivalent albums" means same as here: people must listen to at least five tracks on the album and the listens of one track cannot be more the 70% of all listens. Otherwise those listens don't count. I can be wrong but that is the method here in Finland.
So basically, if 1,500 people listen to at leas five songs from Ariana Grande's album, that's one sale.
EDIT: I made some calculation and no way that can't work... I mean if Ariana Grande's album is suddenly top ten that means she must get at least 10k sales from streaming and 15m people cannot be streaming it, not even separate tracks on it.
Interesting to see how it's really going to be.
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Post by Rocky on Nov 20, 2014 6:28:35 GMT -5
This was expected and I don't get the hysteria over it. Just follow the the new sales chart. It's that easy.
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Post by trustypepper on Nov 20, 2014 8:03:04 GMT -5
Ruined. Completely ruined. Billboard 200 was one of my favorite things each week just because it's stayed true to itself unlike the other charts that have changed so much :/
But at least the chart will remain active just under a different title, that's great news.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Nov 20, 2014 8:18:30 GMT -5
Also, I'm sure that SoundScan will have safeguards to prevent trying to cheat the system to get more streaming based sales, just like they do for bulk album purchases and single streams today. Although realistically a person streaming an album non stop would only probably only be able to get about 2 sales out of a full week of non-stop streaming anyway.
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