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Post by ILLUSION on Feb 23, 2015 15:20:28 GMT -5
Is her own music doing well on iTunes (and other) charts? Cheek to Cheek: #28 and #30 That's all for albums charting in the Top 200. Not surprised though. I don't think the purpose was to give her a sales bump.
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Post by divasummer on Feb 23, 2015 15:29:47 GMT -5
Wow GaGa was Great last night. I always knew she could sing but she seemed like she was using a different singing technique last night. Her voice was soft yet still powerful and almost opera like at times.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 16:09:25 GMT -5
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Post by popbox on Feb 23, 2015 17:05:30 GMT -5
To make a successful comeback Gaga needs to get the music and it's presentation right. This is only the groundwork for the comeback. The presentation is the issue. I'm not worried about the music, Gaga almost always gets that right. Even Artpop would have had a solid 3 big hits if handled right. And despite the horrid botching of Applause/DWUW and her PR image on the whole they still managed to be hits. They would have been huge with the right handling/presentation. She has always had hit ready songs on her albums, and I have no reason to believe that will be a problem for this next one. Her problems have lied elsewhere. Her public image is the best its been in years right now though, so that's a huge plus.
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Post by QAF on Feb 23, 2015 17:40:32 GMT -5
She sounded great but I hate the sound of music.
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Post by ILLUSION on Feb 23, 2015 17:46:40 GMT -5
I hate the sound of music. ...said no one EVER
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Post by Kinney on Feb 23, 2015 17:51:32 GMT -5
She absolutely took control last night and pretty effortlessly made the night all hers.
Such a damn moment.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Feb 23, 2015 17:55:35 GMT -5
Probably a complete coincidence, but I have heard her on the radio three times since the Oscars when I usually never hear her lol.
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Post by surfy on Feb 23, 2015 18:11:34 GMT -5
Every station this morning played a clip from Lady Gaga @ the Oscars and one of her songs afterwards! That is how you do it, ladies and gents! Slayed!
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Post by Live Your Life on Feb 23, 2015 19:26:49 GMT -5
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Post by Wolfy on Feb 23, 2015 19:34:48 GMT -5
She proved people still care about her in a big way. That's vital when it comes to radio support. I wouldn't be surprised if her next era is a huge success. What she did last night is impressive. In a room full of A listers, she was the one everyone was talking about when the show was over. That shows her current star power.
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Post by Keelzit on Feb 23, 2015 20:10:33 GMT -5
So happy for all the praise she's getting but I hope she doesn't abandon her pop/dance roots with the next album after the success she's had with the jazz album and now this performance.
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Post by Glove Slap on Feb 23, 2015 20:14:33 GMT -5
It's amazing how terrible decisions about her music made people completely forget about how supremely talented she is. Hopefully this is the beginning of her getting it right again. I've never seen people really call her untalented, or deny that she is. Maybe at the very very beginning, but during TFM period that mostly went way and never came back. People just found her more and more annoying/off-putting and lost interest, there's a big difference. This itself won't really guarantee much for her next solo project, because it will likely be a very different style of music and be aimed at a different demographic. Some of the posts in this thread that this is a sign that she will slay, etc. are precisely the type of kool-aid that she and her team guzzled and ODd on for years. The comments about gays on facebook are pointless and stupid too. It's not them she's aiming to get back, it's women. This is terrific press for her though because it was a high profile event, one that reaches people who couldn't care less about her side-venture with Bennett.
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Post by Wolfy on Feb 23, 2015 20:26:13 GMT -5
It's amazing how terrible decisions about her music made people completely forget about how supremely talented she is. Hopefully this is the beginning of her getting it right again. I've never seen people really call her untalented, or deny that she is. Maybe at the very very beginning, but during TFM period that mostly went way and never came back. People just found her more and more annoying/off-putting and lost interest, there's a big difference. This itself won't really guarantee much for her next solo project, because it will likely be a very different style of music and be aimed at a different demographic. Some of the posts in this thread that this is a sign that she will slay, etc. are precisely the type of kool-aid that she and her team guzzled and ODd on for years. The comments about gays on facebook are pointless and stupid too. It's not them she's aiming to get back, it's women. This is terrific press of her though because it was a high profile event, one that reaches people who couldn't care less about her side-venture with Bennett. It's much more than gays on Facebook. When you reach #1 on Google trends you got the attention of the general public; women, gays, teens... everyone. It is a problem when she only appeals to a niche audience. Who knows what the next album will be like. But, with the right music, she could potentially have the attention of the general public again, not just a niche gay audience.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 23, 2015 21:44:50 GMT -5
This itself won't really guarantee much for her next solo project, because it will likely be a very different style of music and be aimed at a different demographic. Some of the posts in this thread that this is a sign that she will slay, etc. are precisely the type of kool-aid that she and her team guzzled and ODd on for years. I disagree. Public perception is a very big deal for whether an artist achieves success or not. Back after Britney's public meltdown, suddenly there was the general mindset that people wanted her to succeed. Even after her embarrassing MTV VMA performance, she experienced an extended comeback and a very strong positive image. And then look at Beyonce. Her album hasn't sold *that* many copies and her singles didn't do *that* well but you wouldn't know that based on the general sentiment toward her. And then look at Gaga. There was a growing backlash from around Born This Way was released that just kept growing and growing. ARTPOP did reasonable well but sentiment toward her was pretty low. It's easy to say she flopped, whether she did or not. Public perception says she did. That's the label she's had. If Gaga can hold on to the momentum she has now, and comes back with a decently strong first single from her next album, having people willingly like and respect her again will make all the difference in how well that song performs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 21:50:04 GMT -5
All that is true but then If she released BTW or Artpop now I don't think they would do much better. The material did not connect with the general public. It wasn't just about her image and public perception.
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Post by kmbgs on Feb 23, 2015 21:56:54 GMT -5
FOHL came on shuffle while I was driving today. Idk if the label thought that song is "too gay" or something but ill never understand why it wasn't a single. It is an iconic moment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 22:01:14 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings about whether Gaga can make a comeback based on all the positive feedback surrounding her, because she has to get everything else just right. Sometimes, even all the press & praise in the world does little for an artist, even if it seems like support & praise should translate into success.
She has the talent, and this whole era may have saved her, but that doesn't mean that people will buy anything she releases.
If she capitalizes on all this goodwill the right way, she'll drop the crazy outfits, gimmicks, and taking herself too seriously, people might actually support her & appreciate her talent.
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Post by Revelry on Feb 23, 2015 22:04:58 GMT -5
All that is true but then If she released BTW or Artpop now I don't think they would do much better. The material did not connect with the general public. It wasn't just about her image and public perception. Exactly. Artpop was terrible which is why it didn't do well. Other than Applause and Sexxx Dreams, it was unlistenable to me. I loved her performance last night. It was transcendent and actually showed off her true talent. 'Cheek to Cheek' is a gorgeous album and has completely re-ignited my interest in her. Love love love.
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Post by Caviar on Feb 23, 2015 22:10:25 GMT -5
Sorry ARTPOP remains flawless. While it wasn't a blockbuster it still had solid material. "Aura" is probably one of her best songs period.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 23, 2015 22:10:27 GMT -5
All that is true but then If she released BTW or Artpop now I don't think they would do much better. The material did not connect with the general public. It wasn't just about her image and public perception. I'd say it was. With Born This Way, there was so much hype for the single that it lead to impossible results. I am curious though what would happen if Marry The Night had been first, or Edge of Glory second, because while there was definite Gaga overload at that point, I feel like the feeling of oversaturation didn't really sink in until a bit later. But as her outfits and behaviour got kookier as time went on, the distaste for her grew. Thinking of a song like Applause, people thought it was a self-congratulatory pat-myself-on-the-back type song because Gaga's persona was seen as narcissistic and full of herself. But if released at a time when she wasn't seen in that light, it could have been seen as a song about having insecurity and self-doubt. One's opinion of a singer can impact how one views their music. It's no different than how your first impression of someone impacts how you perceive what they say. Words only have a base meaning. How they're implied relies heavily on how you perceive the person speaking them. It's the same with music.
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Post by Glove Slap on Feb 23, 2015 22:37:46 GMT -5
This itself won't really guarantee much for her next solo project, because it will likely be a very different style of music and be aimed at a different demographic. Some of the posts in this thread that this is a sign that she will slay, etc. are precisely the type of kool-aid that she and her team guzzled and ODd on for years. I disagree. Public perception is a very big deal for whether an artist achieves success or not. Back after Britney's public meltdown, suddenly there was the general mindset that people wanted her to succeed. Even after her embarrassing MTV VMA performance, she experienced an extended comeback and a very strong positive image. And then look at Beyonce. Her album hasn't sold *that* many copies and her singles didn't do *that* well but you wouldn't know that based on the general sentiment toward her. And then look at Gaga. There was a growing backlash from around Born This Way was released that just kept growing and growing. ARTPOP did reasonable well but sentiment toward her was pretty low. It's easy to say she flopped, whether she did or not. Public perception says she did. That's the label she's had. If Gaga can hold on to the momentum she has now, and comes back with a decently strong first single from her next album, having people willingly like and respect her again will make all the difference in how well that song performs. You're talking about two different things here. Celebrity and a projects performance are not perfectly linked at all. I also wouldn't really compare Lady Gaga now, or 2-3 years ago with where Britney and Beyonce were/are at those points because they had maintained a large celebrity profile for a long time by those points, larger than what Gaga has had since the end of 2011 or so. The impressive part of Gaga's peak was how high it was, not how long it lasted. The "backlash" element was and still is overemphasized. Most people didn't set out to see her fail, they just didn't care. That apathy was then run through outlets as a backlash, but there was no public outcry against her. She's an example of what happens when you try to appeal to a small subset of your breakthrough audience, others start to leave. Someone here said a long time ago that it wasn't the gays that left her, it was women, and they were right. Virtually every single other popular act courts their female fanbase in one way or another. Whether they aim for younger audiences like Katy Perry and Taylor Swift, or older audiences like Maroon 5. When she started going around declaring herself the queen of the outcasts and freaks and whatnot, she started to heavily neglect that audience.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 22:43:53 GMT -5
So true. Women left her, straight guys left her and some gays as well. She was still succesfull, just not on TF level.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 23, 2015 22:46:22 GMT -5
You're talking about two different things here. Celebrity and a projects performance are not perfectly linked at all. I also wouldn't really compare Lady Gaga now, or 2-3 years ago with where Britney and Beyonce were/are at those points because they had maintained a large celebrity profile for a long time by those points, larger than what Gaga has had since the end of 2011 or so. The impressive part of Gaga's peak was how high it was, not how long it lasted. The "backlash" element was and still is overemphasized. Most people didn't set out to see her fail, they just didn't care. That apathy was then run through outlets as a backlash, but there was no public outcry against her. She's an example of what happens when you try to appeal to a small subset of your breakthrough audience, others start to leave. Someone here said a long time ago that it wasn't the gays that left her, it was women, and they were right. Virtually every single other popular act courts their female fanbase in one way or another. Whether they aim for younger audiences like Katy Perry and Taylor Swift, or older audiences like Maroon 5. When she started going around declaring herself the queen of the outcasts and freaks and whatnot, she started to heavily neglect that audience. I'm not quite sure what we're talking about then because I think any project's performance can be and usually is linked to the image of the person or people behind it. I agree about the "backlash" part though. I never liked using "backlash" to describe the sentiment toward Gaga because it didn't actively feel like one. I did see a lot of people commenting on her failure or being sick of her or turned off of her or whatever, I'm not sure at what point it would be called backlash. People weren't protesting her or demanding stations stop playing her, there was just a loss of interest, which ties in to the part about Gaga turning away from women. I'd say she did turn off the gays by targeting them directly during Born This Way but that's a whole other discussion unrelated to this one. Her performance last night was an important step in winning back most audiences because most people have had The Sound of Music in their childhood so Gaga successfully pulled at that string. If anything, it reignited a lot of people's opinion toward her so where there was apathy now is at the very least interest but at the most an acceptance that she can succeed again.
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Post by Glove Slap on Feb 23, 2015 22:46:31 GMT -5
Women bring both straight and gay men with them, it's a bad decision for any act in general to not appeal to them because they actually buy the most.
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Post by Wolfy on Feb 23, 2015 22:51:58 GMT -5
She could win them back with the right music and image.
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Post by kmbgs on Feb 23, 2015 23:07:03 GMT -5
Women bring both straight and gay men with them, it's a bad decision for any act in general to not appeal to them because they actually buy the most. I think it's more accurate to say that gays bring straight girls with them.
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Post by Glove Slap on Feb 23, 2015 23:08:17 GMT -5
No it's not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 0:15:09 GMT -5
But what about the lesbians???
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 24, 2015 0:34:19 GMT -5
What about them??
Exactly.
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