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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 20:03:04 GMT -5
You can't simply "ban" ageism. We live in a society of pervasive ageism, and radio programmers are responding to that. It's not like today's teens and early-20-somethings are clamoring for new Madonna and radio programmers are refusing to play her anyway...
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Feb 16, 2015 20:32:05 GMT -5
^ true. It begs to bring up a whole new topic of what is more important or relevant to radio- the song or the artist?
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Post by HoldTight on Feb 16, 2015 20:35:55 GMT -5
You can't simply "ban" ageism. We live in a society of pervasive ageism, and radio programmers are responding to that. It's not like today's teens and early-20-somethings are clamoring for new Madonna and radio programmers are refusing to play her anyway... They will clamor for whatever radio tells them to. The problem is most programmers don't want to giver her a chance because of her age. It shouldn't be considered a risk to at least try spinning the new singles from the person with the most Top 10 singles ever.
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Post by HoldTight on Feb 16, 2015 20:38:12 GMT -5
I wouldn't be using the inquisitr as a source either way lol.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 20:46:39 GMT -5
You can't simply "ban" ageism. We live in a society of pervasive ageism, and radio programmers are responding to that. It's not like today's teens and early-20-somethings are clamoring for new Madonna and radio programmers are refusing to play her anyway... They will clamor for whatever radio tells them to. The problem is most programmers don't want to giver her a chance because of her age. It shouldn't be considered a risk to at least try spinning the new singles from the person with the most Top 10 singles ever. Plenty of songs have taken off at radio after they debuted with huge digital sales. This never had big digital sales, even following a Grammy performance. Radio is not telling the 15 year olds that listen to pop stations to not like the new Madonna song. They're just not interested. They have acts from their own generation that they can relate to better than someone who's older than their mother. Radio is a business. If people were dying to hear the new Madonna, and it would make people tune in, rest assured they'd be playing it.
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Post by seaguy27 on Feb 16, 2015 20:48:23 GMT -5
You can't simply "ban" ageism. We live in a society of pervasive ageism, and radio programmers are responding to that. It's not like today's teens and early-20-somethings are clamoring for new Madonna and radio programmers are refusing to play her anyway... You can't ban it β¦.however you can contribute to it!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 20:49:58 GMT -5
You can't simply "ban" ageism. We live in a society of pervasive ageism, and radio programmers are responding to that. It's not like today's teens and early-20-somethings are clamoring for new Madonna and radio programmers are refusing to play her anyway... You can't ban it β¦.however you can contribute to it! If it were radio's job to actively combat ageism regardless of what their listeners wanted, radio stations would be inundated with old acts far past their prime, and all their listeners would be finding something else to listen to.
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Post by seaguy27 on Feb 16, 2015 20:51:01 GMT -5
You can't simply "ban" ageism. We live in a society of pervasive ageism, and radio programmers are responding to that. It's not like today's teens and early-20-somethings are clamoring for new Madonna and radio programmers are refusing to play her anyway... They will clamor for whatever radio tells them to. The problem is most programmers don't want to giver her a chance because of her age. It shouldn't be considered a risk to at least try spinning the new singles from the person with the most Top 10 singles ever. Exactlyβ¦..teenagers tend to follow more than startβ¦if as a society we tell them certain things or send messages to them that this is ok or not, they will follow. I live in a city that has a dance music station ran by a high school and teens control the music played and Madonna is very popular.
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Post by seaguy27 on Feb 16, 2015 20:54:19 GMT -5
MUSIC NEWS MADONNAβS βLIVING FOR LOVEβ BECOMES ONE OF POPβS 50 MOST-PLAYED SONGS BY BRIAN CANTOR Following its strong Valentine's Day performance, Madonna's "Living for Love" now ranks as one of the pop format's 50 most-played songs. Thanks to a big Valentineβs Day push, Madonnaβs βLiving for Loveβ now registers as one of the fifty most-played songs at pop radio. The song, which made an underwhelming pop radio impact last week, registers at #49 on Mondayβs edition of the rolling Mediabase pop radio chart. That #49 position is attributable to the 427 spins βLiving for Loveβ received between February 9 and 15. Reports indicate that 205 of those spins came on Valentineβs Day. Whether this weekendβs airplay represents an anomaly or the beginning of a momentum swing remains to be seen, but it certainly breeds some optimism for those discouraged by previous status reports. Per last weekβs Mediabase add board, only fifteen monitored stations added βLiving for Loveβ in conjunction with its official radio impact (and on the heels of its Grammmy Awards showcase). That it had gained virtually no traction ahead of its official impact dateβMediabase says it only received 10 pop radio spins during the week between February 2 and 8 despite its weeks of pre-impact buzz and availabilityβprovided further reason to doubt the extent to which radio programmers were βLiving for Love.β If audiences reacted favorably to the song they started to hear more frequently over Valentineβs Day weekend, that could change. http://headlineplane...0-played-songs/ So does this confirm it was just a weekend promo thing?
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 16, 2015 20:54:39 GMT -5
^No. Truffle, that is true- but whether radio carries on and gives it continuous love, we'll have to see. LFL isn't a romantic love song- her heart gets broken, but it's about carrying on and living for love in general, not just romantic love- hence her referring to it in numerous non-romantic postings. The end of the Grammys performance also reiterated that. Almost 15 years ago, music brought the people together. Now, it's love.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 20:56:26 GMT -5
They will clamor for whatever radio tells them to. The problem is most programmers don't want to giver her a chance because of her age. It shouldn't be considered a risk to at least try spinning the new singles from the person with the most Top 10 singles ever. Exactlyβ¦..teenagers tend to follow more than startβ¦if as a society we tell them certain things or send messages to them that this is ok or not, they will follow. I live in a city that has a dance music station ran by a high school and teens control the music played and Madonna is very popular. But it's the label's job to make people want to listen to her, not radio's. It's much easier to sell Ariana Grande and Miley Cyrus to teens than it is to sell Madonna to them. Stations aren't going to risk losing audience in the name of, let's call it social justice, by shoving Madonna songs down listeners' throats to combat ageism. The people constantly complaining about how unfair radio is to Madonna are in their 30s and 40s-- they're one or two decades beyond the age of the core pop listener. Pop radio doesn't care.
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Post by seaguy27 on Feb 16, 2015 21:08:30 GMT -5
Of course it is going to be people in their 30s and 40s complainingβ¦when you are not part of the "ism" you tend not to notice it. The issue is much bigger than Madonna anyway and way to nuanced to fairly discuss on a message board. :)
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Feb 16, 2015 21:09:04 GMT -5
^ then how did Cher's Believe go #1?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 16, 2015 21:14:16 GMT -5
The people constantly complaining about how unfair radio is to Madonna are in their 30s and 40s-- they're one or two decades beyond the age of the core pop listener. Pop radio doesn't care. The me of today and the me of every day for the last five years can't fav this enough. It's not such a hard concept to understand yet every time an artist from yesteryear who was a star to a generation past releases a single, people expect it to smash and get angry when it doesn't. Is radio even the "problem" or is the problem the way we determine what a hit song is using a method only applicable to a small range of artists. It's like saying the Teen Choice Awards are the only determinant of a successful celebrity or the best sellers of the young adult section of the book store is the where the most popular books are. You're barking up the wrong tree.
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Post by jjindc on Feb 16, 2015 21:14:53 GMT -5
Driving home in the snow about an hour ago, and 99.5 in DC played LFL again! Still hoping this gets some traction. Song sounds great on the radio.
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Post by HoldTight on Feb 16, 2015 21:28:14 GMT -5
I'm not in my 40s or 30s.
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Post by seaguy27 on Feb 16, 2015 21:30:05 GMT -5
The people constantly complaining about how unfair radio is to Madonna are in their 30s and 40s-- they're one or two decades beyond the age of the core pop listener. Pop radio doesn't care. The me of today and the me of every day for the last five years can't fav this enough. It's not such a hard concept to understand yet every time an artist from yesteryear who was a star to a generation past releases a single, people expect it to smash and get angry when it doesn't. Is radio even the "problem" or is the problem the way we determine what a hit song is using a method only applicable to a small range of artists. It's like saying the Teen Choice Awards are the only determinant of a successful celebrity or the best sellers of the young adult section of the book store is the where the most popular books are. You're barking up the wrong tree. You are right about part of the problemβ¦..I find it utterly odd and strange that we only measure teens interest in pop music when their is a massive listening audience that does not fall into that category. That being saidβ¦.ageism on top 40 has gotten worse. when i was a teen many older acts had success.
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Post by seaguy27 on Feb 16, 2015 21:32:18 GMT -5
Saying only older people claim ageism so it is therefore not valid would be like saying that racism and homophobia does not exist if only minorities or gays are complaining !.
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Post by seaguy27 on Feb 16, 2015 21:33:26 GMT -5
^ then how did Cher's Believe go #1? Don't you knowβ¦.its because all of a sudden teens wanted to hear Cher! LOL
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 21:35:38 GMT -5
I'm not in my 40s or 30s. It wouldn't matter if you're 12. That just means you don't represent the average Madonna fan, who would be in their 30s or 40s if they were listening to her at her peak. No one's implying that there are absolutely no teenagers out there who enjoy Madonna.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 21:36:45 GMT -5
I don't really care about reforming pop radio, I just want the label to utilize every avenue, including radio, to promote this incredible song and give it the exposure it deserves
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 16, 2015 21:41:37 GMT -5
The me of today and the me of every day for the last five years can't fav this enough. It's not such a hard concept to understand yet every time an artist from yesteryear who was a star to a generation past releases a single, people expect it to smash and get angry when it doesn't. Is radio even the "problem" or is the problem the way we determine what a hit song is using a method only applicable to a small range of artists. It's like saying the Teen Choice Awards are the only determinant of a successful celebrity or the best sellers of the young adult section of the book store is the where the most popular books are. You're barking up the wrong tree. You are right about part of the problemβ¦..I find it utterly odd and strange that we only measure teens interest in pop music when their is a massive listening audience that does not fall into that category. That being saidβ¦.ageism on top 40 has gotten worse. when i was a teen many older acts had success. Radio wasn't so focused back then. I'm not sure how old you are but keep in mind that Hot AC, as a format made for the next demographic up, formed in the mid-90s, which meant that CHR was able to pull back a lot on artists geared toward the late 20s-40s crowd. As for Cher, it's not so absurd to think there might never be an exception, is it? Rather than trying to find loopholes in the reasoning (because there are), you'd be better off looking to see if the reasoning makes sense and judging by the constant "ageism" argument that keeps getting brought up and the fact CHR/Pop's *main demographic* is something like 15-30 or thereabouts, it really does make sense, even if it means your fav is getting the shaft.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 21:42:37 GMT -5
^ then how did Cher's Believe go #1? Don't you knowβ¦.its because all of a sudden teens wanted to hear Cher! LOL People are showing their age again. "Believe" was released 17 years ago, which means the core pop listener today was just born when "Believe" became a hit. That's an eternity ago for pop radio. Never mind the fact it was a complete anomaly, and Cher never had a big hit again. In the 80s, there were a handful of acts in their 40s and 50s (but even then, it was a small handful) having hits. Radio was much less segmented than it is now, and people didn't have as many avenues to explore and discover new music. People in their teens and people in their 40s were all listening to pop radio, because there weren't as many stations and formats that catered to smaller niches (Hot AC didn't even exist), and people were much more likely to just listen to whatever the radio was playing because they didn't have nearly as many options as they do in 2015. You can't compare 80s or even 90s radio to radio in 2015.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 21:45:34 GMT -5
Believe has no relevance here
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 21:46:20 GMT -5
CHR/Pop's *main demographic* is something like 15-30 or thereabouts, it really does make sense, even if it means your fav is getting the shaft. I think the last time I looked into the core demographics, a couple of years ago, the core demographic for pop radio was females ages 15-23.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 16, 2015 21:52:28 GMT -5
CHR/Pop's *main demographic* is something like 15-30 or thereabouts, it really does make sense, even if it means your fav is getting the shaft. I think the last time I looked into the core demographics, a couple of years ago, the core demographic for pop radio was females ages 15-23. Is it really that specific now? I didn't even realize.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 21:54:58 GMT -5
I think we should celebrate the top 50 on pop and be happy whatever powers that be that gave it a valentines push In this day and age you can't expect a hit from a older act on the charts. I think she did a ok performance at the Grammy Awards and while she has had a similar themed show like that in the past it was still nice to see. Lots of her visuals and sets over the years have the same theme that I would like to see her convey a different message but I'm proud of her being able to score a top 50 and the effort she put forth on stage she ended up not being the best of the night but surely not the worst .
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Post by seaguy27 on Feb 16, 2015 22:23:19 GMT -5
I cannot think of anyone hardly having top 10 hits on billboard in the recent decade who was over 40β¦.Madonna has had like 3 and two of them had younger artist featured.
However off the top of my head I can point out artist in the 80s and 90s where you saw Tina Turner, Elton John and Rod Stewart all collecting multiple non feature top 10 hits on the hot 100 which does not even include other top 40 hits they had. All ages 40 and up at the time.
You can cut the pie any way you want rather it is more niche stations etcβ¦. the end result is older recording artist not being able to produce hit singles on the Hot 100. So in my opinion, there has been a conscious decision somewhere along the way to marginalize an artist as they get over 40.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Feb 16, 2015 23:04:43 GMT -5
ATRL, for what it's worth, has a huge Madonna stanbase.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 16, 2015 23:07:20 GMT -5
I cannot think of anyone hardly having top 10 hits on billboard in the recent decade who was over 40β¦.Madonna has had like 3 and two of them had younger artist featured. However off the top of my head I can point out artist in the 80s and 90s where you saw Tina Turner, Elton John and Rod Stewart all collecting multiple non feature top 10 hits on the hot 100 which does not even include other top 40 hits they had. All ages 40 and up at the time. You can cut the pie any way you want rather it is more niche stations etcβ¦. the end result is older recording artist not being able to produce hit singles on the Hot 100. So in my opinion, there has been a conscious decision somewhere along the way to marginalize an artist as they get over 40. Or look at the landscape. The Hot 100 relies more on digital and streams, both of which are used mostly by younger people, and as people get older they move toward taking in whole albums rather than singles. The only conscious decision is made by people themselves as they get older. That's why Barbra Streisand can get a #1 album and sell almost a million copies in 2014 without having a single single or hit song.
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