popbox
3x Platinum Member
Dupe
Joined: January 2013
Posts: 3,493
|
Post by popbox on Apr 2, 2015 21:32:22 GMT -5
Kelly releasing a better lead single would have done wonders for it. There's still an audience that really wants to support her as a mainstream pop star I think. But this hasn't given a whole lot of incentive to. I think both of these statements are true to a degree, though I do think HBS is a great, fun, easy pop song that should have had no problem going top ten, and would have in the hands of a newer, more current pop star. But, I do think people like Kelly enough that she can beat them into submission even on a song that, on its own, wouldn't have done as well. Obviously her priorities have changed and I have no beef with that, but speaking hypothetically, had she followed the same performance schedule with HBS as she did with Mr. Know It All, I think this song would have done an awful lot better. Of course great promo that got it out there a lot would have helped somewhat I'm sure. As is the case for most songs. My main point being that nothing will convince me this was going to be a smash hit under any circumstances. Not even if Taylor Swift herself had released it as the lead single from 1989. MKIA level though? Sure I can buy that with a better promo rollout and a better video.
|
|
SPRΞΞ
Diamond Member
Joined: July 2009
Posts: 21,734
|
Post by SPRΞΞ on Apr 2, 2015 23:10:36 GMT -5
It's crazy because there's definite interest in this song. More promo and a viral video would have done wonders for it. Too bad you can't plan viral videos. Ask Carly. :kii:
|
|
velcro
New Member
livin' fully
Joined: November 2014
Posts: 63
|
Post by velcro on Apr 2, 2015 23:44:10 GMT -5
I think both of these statements are true to a degree, though I do think HBS is a great, fun, easy pop song that should have had no problem going top ten, and would have in the hands of a newer, more current pop star. But, I do think people like Kelly enough that she can beat them into submission even on a song that, on its own, wouldn't have done as well. Obviously her priorities have changed and I have no beef with that, but speaking hypothetically, had she followed the same performance schedule with HBS as she did with Mr. Know It All, I think this song would have done an awful lot better. Of course great promo that got it out there a lot would have helped somewhat I'm sure. As is the case for most songs. My main point being that nothing will convince me this was going to be a smash hit under any circumstances. Not even if Taylor Swift herself had released it as the lead single from 1989. MKIA level though? Sure I can buy that with a better promo rollout and a better video. I have no doubt this would have been a smash if dropped by T. Swift.
|
|
neally
Diamond Member
Everybody wants to throw it all away sometimes
Joined: October 2005
Posts: 12,140
|
Post by neally on Apr 2, 2015 23:54:47 GMT -5
#13
|
|
|
Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 3, 2015 6:07:32 GMT -5
Too bad you can't plan viral videos. Ask Carly. :kii: I don't think that was planned and if it was, it was a lucky break. Plus, don't you think if viral videos could be planned, more artists/regular joes would have them? Think about it.
|
|
SPRΞΞ
Diamond Member
Joined: July 2009
Posts: 21,734
|
Post by SPRΞΞ on Apr 3, 2015 7:21:16 GMT -5
I'm saying Carly planned on IRLY going viral and it backfired. You can't plan it.
|
|
getonthebus
2x Platinum Member
Joined: November 2011
Posts: 2,501
|
Post by getonthebus on Apr 3, 2015 9:05:33 GMT -5
Of course great promo that got it out there a lot would have helped somewhat I'm sure. As is the case for most songs. My main point being that nothing will convince me this was going to be a smash hit under any circumstances. Not even if Taylor Swift herself had released it as the lead single from 1989. MKIA level though? Sure I can buy that with a better promo rollout and a better video. I have no doubt this would have been a smash if dropped by T. Swift. WORD, and "Somebody Loves You" by Betty Who would have been a smash if dropped by Katy Perry. Pop has always been brand-driven, but it's at an all-time high right now. You have to differentiate your song/artist identity and do it HARD to get noticed unless you're one of the darlings of the day.
|
|
matty005
3x Platinum Member
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 3,415
|
Post by matty005 on Apr 3, 2015 10:57:56 GMT -5
I'm just a casual Kelly fan. I pretty much love every single and love her as a person, but don't follow her career that closely. I didn't realize Stronger was such a huge smash all across the board. That's awesome! I have a good feeling single #2 will be more successful than HBS.
|
|
slayZ
3x Platinum Member
Joined: November 2010
Posts: 3,232
|
Post by slayZ on Apr 3, 2015 16:02:27 GMT -5
Too bad you can't plan viral videos. You can plan interesting and re-watchable videos, though. ;) Unfortunately, Kelly has chosen not to be a visual artist. From her photoshoots, to her shows, awards show performances, videos, over all image...it's just not something she's interested in, I guess. I mean, she hasn't had an actual great video in a decade, I'd say and I don't think that's her label or manager's fault, she's just not interested in anything other than making music and performing it live. It's admirable, but there's little you can do for an artist who refuses to think outside the box creatively to promote their product. RCA had a tough time promoting SIA until very recently simply because she's kind of the same scenario in the sense that she only cares about writing/recording music. You are right though, a great music video or some kind of visual element to this song would have helped push it big time. The clip of River dancing did go viral...
|
|
COW COW COW COW COW COW COW
4x Platinum Member
"What took you so long? I'll repeat the question; where were you?"
Joined: February 2006
Posts: 4,547
|
Post by COW COW COW COW COW COW COW on Apr 5, 2015 13:18:23 GMT -5
It's crazy because there's definite interest in this song. More promo and a viral video would have done wonders for it. Kelly releasing a better lead single would have done wonders for it. There's still an audience that really wants to support her as a mainstream pop star I think. But this hasn't given a whole lot of incentive to. I agree. "Catch My Breath," "People Like Us," and "Heartbeat" were all pretty lame. I really liked "Dark Side" and it was a massive flop, the followup to a #1 Hot 100 song and it couldn't break the top 50. Anyway, maybe it is time for a ballad an no more of these dance-rock lite 200 calories per serving songs??
|
|
Marooned@Midnight
6x Platinum Member
It’s me…HI!…I’m the problem, it’s me
Joined: September 2007
Posts: 6,628
|
Post by Marooned@Midnight on Apr 5, 2015 13:23:57 GMT -5
Kelly releasing a better lead single would have done wonders for it. There's still an audience that really wants to support her as a mainstream pop star I think. But this hasn't given a whole lot of incentive to. I agree. "Catch My Breath," "People Like Us," and "Heartbeat" were all pretty lame. I really liked "Dark Side" and it was a massive flop, the followup to a #1 Hot 100 song and it couldn't break the top 50. Anyway, maybe it is time for a ballad an no more of these dance-rock lite 200 calories per serving songs?? I love all of those songs, but I agree with your overall point I think. Run, Run, Run could break this sound streak AND I think it happens to be the biggest hit on the album.
|
|
popbox
3x Platinum Member
Dupe
Joined: January 2013
Posts: 3,493
|
Post by popbox on Apr 5, 2015 17:01:58 GMT -5
Kelly releasing a better lead single would have done wonders for it. There's still an audience that really wants to support her as a mainstream pop star I think. But this hasn't given a whole lot of incentive to. I agree. "Catch My Breath," "People Like Us," and "Heartbeat" were all pretty lame. I really liked "Dark Side" and it was a massive flop, the followup to a #1 Hot 100 song and it couldn't break the top 50. Anyway, maybe it is time for a ballad an no more of these dance-rock lite 200 calories per serving songs?? Yeah, Dark Side's performance was always a bit perplexing to me, especially since MKIA was a top ten and I thought that had less hit potential than DS. I guess they should have went with Let Me Down 3rd, but I get why they didn't since it was in the same vein as Stronger. I'm sure they thought DS would be a pretty good hit and then they were gonna push LMD. Speaking of ballads and that era, I've always secretly wondered if Honestly would have worked. It doesn't have the most defined hook, but it is catchy in its own way and oh so pretty. Frustrating how the label was so eager to move on to the GH era though. That needed to be pushed back.
|
|
toomuchboy
6x Platinum Member
Joined: October 2012
Posts: 6,733
|
Post by toomuchboy on Apr 5, 2015 18:16:57 GMT -5
I wonder if there are plans for Josh Groban to release his duet with Kelly at some point (at least, I hope so). Not really much to expect out of a Groban single, but maybe they'll decide when to put out the John Legend duet depending on when that might be released. Even though I don't like it, RRR is the only song I feel could definitely gain some traction partly because it's a duet. Not that others won't, of course.
Out of her recent singles, I expected PLU to flop and DS always seemed like it could go either way (both for slightly cringeworthy lyrics, tbh), but I thought for sure HBS would be a similar hit to MKIA. Oh, well. Still a good song.
|
|
Kurt
Administrator
#1: Jacob Collier f/John Legend & Tori Kelly – "Bridge Over Troubled Water"
Joined: April 2010
Posts: 22,613
My Charts
Pronouns: he/him
Staff
|
Post by Kurt on Apr 10, 2015 13:35:29 GMT -5
Still toward the bottom of the callout chart (LunchMoney Lewis's "Bills" enters below it) and now with 88% familiarity and only 21% net positive reactions (versus 32% negative as well as 10% heavy burn). I'm not that well-versed in reading radio updates, but it looks like it may be done at HAC with a #6 peak, with "Shut Up And Dance" having passed it today and a few straight days of spin loss (AC peak is #3; might get back there with "I'm Not The Only One" close ahead and falling, but "Thinking Out Loud" and "Blank Space" are way too far ahead for it to go any higher than that). It was good to see an increase in sales thanks to last week's promo and it's still hanging in the 30s on iTunes, but I can't shake the feeling that RCA should have moved on to promoting a new single last week.
|
|
Wavey✨️
Moderator
Look...
Positive Vibes🙏🏾❤
Joined: August 2006
Posts: 42,835
Pronouns: He/Him
Staff
|
Post by Wavey✨️ on Apr 11, 2015 9:10:14 GMT -5
527k sold to date. RCA better get on this certification.
|
|
Focus
Diamond Member
"peace out my babies" ~ Kelly Hoodson tm yoKC ~ "hackers..You've been CLARKSONED"!
Joined: January 2005
Posts: 15,591
|
Post by Focus on Apr 11, 2015 9:57:38 GMT -5
I wouldn't hold my breath on that, heh.
|
|
neally
Diamond Member
Everybody wants to throw it all away sometimes
Joined: October 2005
Posts: 12,140
|
Post by neally on Apr 12, 2015 13:39:15 GMT -5
Interestingly, 'Heartbeat' continues to hit new highs on European radio:
-up to #5 on the UK's airplay chart -up to #4 on UK's commercial radio chart -up to #13 as UK radio's most played songs of the year and moving fast -up to #6 on Germany's airplay chart
|
|
jimmyt
New Member
Joined: July 2014
Posts: 211
|
Post by jimmyt on Apr 13, 2015 2:13:45 GMT -5
UK radio certainly love this, kind of a sugary easy choice for pop radio, although it's only had modest sales. Personally speaking I think it's her worst single to date!
|
|