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Post by Envoirment on Mar 5, 2015 20:04:32 GMT -5
This is no more embarrassing than 'I Kissed a Girl'. Or "Roar" with its constant repetition of "Oh" in the chorus, or "Firework" and its simile involving a plastic bag.
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Post by M1tchD on Mar 5, 2015 21:36:06 GMT -5
Ugh. This is such a generic song but it's so catchy. I've listened to it twice and I want more.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Mar 6, 2015 1:07:01 GMT -5
The cringeworthy element of repeating "really's"....yea sure it's catchy and memorable, but it's seen as a joke. Sure it can be a "hit", but so can other embarrassing songs. I love how you just invented an opinion that goes against the general consensus and tried to write it off like that's the way everyone really thinks. This is no more embarrassing than 'I Kissed a Girl'. Katy moved on immediately. She didn't thrive in novelty and short-termness.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 1:08:26 GMT -5
I love how you just invented an opinion that goes against the general consensus and tried to write it off like that's the way everyone really thinks. This is no more embarrassing than 'I Kissed a Girl'. Katy moved on immediately. She didn't thrive in novelty and short-termness. Did you watch her halftime show?
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Mar 6, 2015 1:12:39 GMT -5
Katy moved on immediately. She didn't thrive in novelty and short-termness. Did you see the video for 'Hot n Cold'? Nope.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Mar 6, 2015 1:14:20 GMT -5
Katy moved on immediately. She didn't thrive in novelty and short-termness. Did you watch her halftime show? Yep, and 115M other people did too. Did you see something short-term about her?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 1:19:36 GMT -5
Whoops, caught me before the edit. I'm still not wrong. Did you watch her halftime show? Yep, and 115M other people did too. Did you see something short-term about her? No, but I saw novelty and embarrassment.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Mar 6, 2015 1:24:26 GMT -5
Whoops, caught me before the edit. I'm still not wrong. Yep, and 115M other people did too. Did you see something short-term about her? No, but I saw novelty and embarrassment. To each his own. I saw swag and confidence. Sure there was novelty, but not to the effect of saying "I really really really really really really want this to be a hit" status. All of Katy's records were #1 CHR hits. Public demanded them. Public bought them. Will this happen with Carly?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 1:30:17 GMT -5
Whoops, caught me before the edit. I'm still not wrong. No, but I saw novelty and embarrassment. To each his own. I saw swag and confidence. Sure there was novelty, but not to the effect of saying "I really really really really really really want this to be a hit" status. All of Katy's records were #1 CHR hits. Public demanded them. Public bought them. Will this happen with Carly? What are you arguing right now? The point isn't Katy vs Carly, but rather that you made a completely ridiculous post saying 'I Really Like You' was embarrassing because of its novelty. All pop music is novelty-- Katy Perry was just a perfect example. Take the stan goggles off.
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Post by 14887fan on Mar 6, 2015 1:31:06 GMT -5
Rare is the day that I ever find myself to latch on to such cutesy bops with as basic of lyrics as any pop song can have, and while this one is no exception, it sits better with me than the abhorrent "Call Me Maybe" did. I guess I'll always have the opinion of the vast minority on that one, but that's besides the point. While this is super catchy and cute and fun and loose and free-of-studying-lyrics-and-searching-for-deeper-meaning, I can't shake two things: 1) that she's thirty and is singing songs called "Call Me Maybe" and "I Really Like You", and 2) that everything she's put out, including this, CMM, and her Kiss album, has been rolled, patted, and sliced straight from a pink, heart-shaped cookie cutter. Again, I get that it's important to have a fun, feel-good anthem that suits the summer sound for radio, but a little bit of musical maturity would be great, thanks.
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Post by 14887fan on Mar 6, 2015 1:32:04 GMT -5
Oh, and this is no more novelty than a solid 95% of Katy Perry's entire catalog. Don't even try it, Spree.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Mar 6, 2015 1:40:42 GMT -5
To each his own. I saw swag and confidence. Sure there was novelty, but not to the effect of saying "I really really really really really really want this to be a hit" status. All of Katy's records were #1 CHR hits. Public demanded them. Public bought them. Will this happen with Carly? What are you arguing right now? The point isn't Katy vs Carly, but rather that you made a completely ridiculous post saying 'I Really Like You' was embarrassing because of its novelty. All pop music is novelty-- Katy Perry was just a perfect example. Take the stan goggles off. This won't have wide-spread appeal. Katy was novelty for IKAG and CG, but those appealed to mainstream audiences. CMM obviously did, but this song, although cute (to a girl or gay person) is just not gonna breakthrough. CMM presented a new line of talk, this is just a :rollseye: type of song. Obnoxious, and not "the best song on the radio" like CG was. Totally different leagues. That being said, it's a cute song. Just don't think it quite gets there. If it was forward-thinking like CG, it would be perfectly fine to have that novelty. But this is just too samey for me. It's still cute, but it will never be a 7M seller. Let's be real.
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Post by crystalphnx on Mar 6, 2015 2:13:06 GMT -5
everything she's put out, including this, CMM, and her Kiss album, has been rolled, patted, and sliced straight from a pink, heart-shaped cookie cutter. Again, I get that it's important to have a fun, feel-good anthem that suits the summer sound for radio, but a little bit of musical maturity would be great, thanks. apologies if you're already familiar with this, but her debut album Tug Of War seems more like what you'd prefer to hear from her. it was released in Canada in '08, after her time on Canadian Idol, but didn't sell much and didn't produce any sizable hits (the singles included the title track and "Sour Candy", among others.) CMM, on the other hand, became a global mega-smash, so it's not too surprising that she/her team are sticking with that sound, and not the sound that got her career nowhere. admittedly, a balance between Tug Of War Carly and Kiss Carly would be ideal, but my main point is: she's shown that she's capable of creating music beyond the feel-good, bubblegum pop of CMM, GT, and IRLY - it's just that the public wasn't interested in hearing that side of her.
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Post by Joe1240 on Mar 6, 2015 2:25:57 GMT -5
I don't find this song to be generic at all. It is in no way trying to be dance/pop like many singers have done and failed to do.I find this song to be instantly catchy like "Shake It Off" was. The chorus gets stuck in your head from the first listen. It has the Max Martin production and Max Martin rarely fails when it comes to producing a catchy pop song.
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Post by skizzo on Mar 6, 2015 5:23:55 GMT -5
Yes because the only time you can be generic is if you do dance-pop...
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Post by surfy on Mar 6, 2015 10:19:46 GMT -5
Yes because the only time you can be generic is if you do dance-pop... No, but it's a lot easier if you don't bring anything new to the table.
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Post by nikkominaj on Mar 6, 2015 10:25:41 GMT -5
Yes because the only time you can be generic is if you do dance-pop... No, but it's a lot easier if you don't bring anything new to the table. And this song does? I could have sworn I could hear a song like this on Disney channel in 2008.
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Post by surfy on Mar 6, 2015 10:31:09 GMT -5
No, but it's a lot easier if you don't bring anything new to the table. And this song does? I could have sworn I could hear a song like this on Disney channel in 2008. You misunderstood me. This song doesn't bring anything new to the table. Therefore you can't argue against it being generic regardless of genre. But it does help that it is dance pop because that genre does involve more than its fair share of uninspired songs.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Mar 6, 2015 11:36:47 GMT -5
This is a super generic song, but I think it helps that, despite being generic, I can't think of another song that I would say sounds identical to it on radio right now or even recently. Like, it feels distinctly bubble-gum in a way that most people are either going more serious/mature or more pop-dance. I could be wrong though and need to listen again. It just didn't immediately strike me as too similar to other current pop stars seemingly doing similar sounds (Taylor, Kelly, Selena).
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Post by dbhmr on Mar 6, 2015 11:39:24 GMT -5
I still think this is borderline awful, but was I unreasonable in expecting this to be doing a lot better by now? It peaked in the 20s on iTunes and has only fallen since, and doesn't seem to be making a blip on radio? I know it hasn't had its adds date yet, but they hyped this as much as they could. I think the video will be huge for it with the Tom Hanks-led dance party, but still...given people's overwhelmingly positive reaction to this song on here, I figured more of the public would follow suit.
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Post by Taylor. on Mar 6, 2015 11:49:44 GMT -5
It did better out of the gate than I expected on iTunes but it is surprising it's not even top 50 on radio. I would have expected her label to secure a radio deal for Monday, at least.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Mar 6, 2015 11:51:33 GMT -5
I am not sure I would say it should be doing better though I am sure they would like for it to be doing better. Carly is pretty much a no one right now in the US. She had one novelty hit years ago (though Pulse will tell you her collaboration with Owl City was huge and iconic ). Her cd bombed and was gone almost instantly. She never really developed a hardcore fanbase. In the US, it is borderline starting over. I mean, not entirely, of course, but in some ways just as difficult. General public has forgotten her and those who haven't see her as an obnoxious one hit wonder from ages ago. We have had pretty established artists have similar Itunes trajectories as she did (Kelly Clarkson Heartbeat Song, for example, though that one held up a bit better while waiting for airplay to kick in). Pulse has loved songs before and been right, but sometimes it takes time when you are starting from scratch (we stanned for Tove Lo for what felt like centuries before it finally caught on and started moving up past the 40 mark). So, now it is really a matter of how hard they will push her, how much money they will spend, and if they can get this in some sort of viral situation to boost it. Either a commercial or one hell of a video. I am not sure if they will even try though, to be honest. It may seem like more effort/money than they would get back.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 13:01:53 GMT -5
What are you arguing right now? The point isn't Katy vs Carly, but rather that you made a completely ridiculous post saying 'I Really Like You' was embarrassing because of its novelty. All pop music is novelty-- Katy Perry was just a perfect example. Take the stan goggles off. This won't have wide-spread appeal. Katy was novelty for IKAG and CG, but those appealed to mainstream audiences. CMM obviously did, but this song, although cute (to a girl or gay person) is just not gonna breakthrough. CMM presented a new line of talk, this is just a :rollseye: type of song. Obnoxious, and not "the best song on the radio" like CG was. Totally different leagues. That being said, it's a cute song. Just don't think it quite gets there. If it was forward-thinking like CG, it would be perfectly fine to have that novelty. But this is just too samey for me. It's still cute, but it will never be a 7M seller. Let's be real. I know it is a complete waste of time belaboring this argument with you, but you're simultaneously missing the point and purposely trying to change your argument when someone forces you to see it. And HAHAHAHAHAHAHA at CG being "forward-thinking." If you're going to be a blind stan at least pick the Katy hits that made her step outside of her box a bit (ET, Dark Horse) and not the retreads. CG was literally Dr. Luke rehashing Tik Tok. If we're debating who is or isn't 'novelty,' the only difference between Katy and Carly is Katy's repeated success. That Katy rode her novelty hits on top of a Transformers liger all the way to the bank doesn't make them any less novel. So why try to argue so strongly against it? You could look so much smarter by arguing persuasively that what differentiates Katy is that her entire brand is novelty for novelty's sake; she is so successful precisely because she recognizes the perpetual need for someone to fill that niche and consistently, shamelessly hits her cheesy mark. Why be a one-hit wonder when you can make a career of it? Carly's problem is that she doesn't yet have a brand for people to latch on to. She hit the mark with CMM but for whatever reason, failed to recognize what that mark was, so when she tried to move on from the novelty and rely solely on the music, she instead got left behind. With the way they have been trying to push IRLY, it seems that they are embracing the 'novelty for novelty's sake'-meets-viral kind of branding, and I know it's very early to make a prediction but I think that will actually work here. At the end of the day there is always going to be a market for people who just want mindless, bubblegummy fun, and Carly can deliver that. Maybe the ultimate misstep with the Kiss era was that she tried to move out of CMM's shadow when she should have instead lounged under it like an umbrella on the beach.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Mar 6, 2015 13:10:43 GMT -5
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Post by Gray. on Mar 6, 2015 14:35:52 GMT -5
This won't have wide-spread appeal. Katy was novelty for IKAG and CG, but those appealed to mainstream audiences. CMM obviously did, but this song, although cute (to a girl or gay person) is just not gonna breakthrough. CMM presented a new line of talk, this is just a :rollseye: type of song. Obnoxious, and not "the best song on the radio" like CG was. Totally different leagues. That being said, it's a cute song. Just don't think it quite gets there. If it was forward-thinking like CG, it would be perfectly fine to have that novelty. But this is just too samey for me. It's still cute, but it will never be a 7M seller. Let's be real. I know it is a complete waste of time belaboring this argument with you, but you're simultaneously missing the point and purposely trying to change your argument when someone forces you to see it. And HAHAHAHAHAHAHA at CG being "forward-thinking." If you're going to be a blind stan at least pick the Katy hits that made her step outside of her box a bit (ET, Dark Horse) and not the retreads. CG was literally Dr. Luke rehashing Tik Tok. If we're debating who is or isn't 'novelty,' the only difference between Katy and Carly is Katy's repeated success. That Katy rode her novelty hits on top of a Transformers liger all the way to the bank doesn't make them any less novel. So why try to argue so strongly against it? You could look so much smarter by arguing persuasively that what differentiates Katy is that her entire brand is novelty for novelty's sake; she is so successful precisely because she recognizes the perpetual need for someone to fill that niche and consistently, shamelessly hits her cheesy mark. Why be a one-hit wonder when you can make a career of it? Carly's problem is that she doesn't yet have a brand for people to latch on to. She hit the mark with CMM but for whatever reason, failed to recognize what that mark was, so when she tried to move on from the novelty and rely solely on the music, she instead got left behind. With the way they have been trying to push IRLY, it seems that they are embracing the 'novelty for novelty's sake'-meets-viral kind of branding, and I know it's very early to make a prediction but I think that will actually work here. At the end of the day there is always going to be a market for people who just want mindless, bubblegummy fun, and Carly can deliver that. Maybe the ultimate misstep with the Kiss era was that she tried to move out of CMM's shadow when she should have instead lounged under it like an umbrella on the beach.
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Post by skizzo on Mar 6, 2015 15:55:45 GMT -5
Yes because the only time you can be generic is if you do dance-pop... No, but it's a lot easier if you don't bring anything new to the table. Agreed, but to be fair that happens to all genres that come to the forefront and dominate the charts. Not that dance-pop is generic, just a certain type of dance-pop that goes through the same formula because it used to guarantee you a hit. But again, that applies to songs of all genres that just rinse and repeat the same pattern.
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Post by surfy on Mar 6, 2015 16:07:54 GMT -5
No, but it's a lot easier if you don't bring anything new to the table. Agreed, but to be fair that happens to all genres that come to the forefront and dominate the charts. Not that dance-pop is generic, just a certain type of dance-pop that goes through the same formula because it used to guarantee you a hit. But again, that applies to songs of all genres that just rinse and repeat the same pattern. I know it's happening in every genre, I've just seen the most examples of generic music coming from dance-pop
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 16:16:10 GMT -5
Wow... lots of b**chiness going on here.
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Post by theflying on Mar 6, 2015 16:20:04 GMT -5
This won't have wide-spread appeal. Katy was novelty for IKAG and CG, but those appealed to mainstream audiences. CMM obviously did, but this song, although cute (to a girl or gay person) is just not gonna breakthrough. CMM presented a new line of talk, this is just a :rollseye: type of song. Obnoxious, and not "the best song on the radio" like CG was. Totally different leagues. That being said, it's a cute song. Just don't think it quite gets there. If it was forward-thinking like CG, it would be perfectly fine to have that novelty. But this is just too samey for me. It's still cute, but it will never be a 7M seller. Let's be real. I know it is a complete waste of time belaboring this argument with you, but you're simultaneously missing the point and purposely trying to change your argument when someone forces you to see it. And HAHAHAHAHAHAHA at CG being "forward-thinking." If you're going to be a blind stan at least pick the Katy hits that made her step outside of her box a bit (ET, Dark Horse) and not the retreads. CG was literally Dr. Luke rehashing Tik Tok. If we're debating who is or isn't 'novelty,' the only difference between Katy and Carly is Katy's repeated success. That Katy rode her novelty hits on top of a Transformers liger all the way to the bank doesn't make them any less novel. So why try to argue so strongly against it? You could look so much smarter by arguing persuasively that what differentiates Katy is that her entire brand is novelty for novelty's sake; she is so successful precisely because she recognizes the perpetual need for someone to fill that niche and consistently, shamelessly hits her cheesy mark. Why be a one-hit wonder when you can make a career of it? Carly's problem is that she doesn't yet have a brand for people to latch on to. She hit the mark with CMM but for whatever reason, failed to recognize what that mark was, so when she tried to move on from the novelty and rely solely on the music, she instead got left behind. With the way they have been trying to push IRLY, it seems that they are embracing the 'novelty for novelty's sake'-meets-viral kind of branding, and I know it's very early to make a prediction but I think that will actually work here. At the end of the day there is always going to be a market for people who just want mindless, bubblegummy fun, and Carly can deliver that. Maybe the ultimate misstep with the Kiss era was that she tried to move out of CMM's shadow when she should have instead lounged under it like an umbrella on the beach. I am stanning this post.
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Post by surfy on Mar 6, 2015 17:27:10 GMT -5
Wow... lots of b**chiness going on here. If you think this is bitchy, you ain't seen nothing yet... Welcome to Pulse! :)
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