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Post by Gray. on Jun 30, 2015 19:56:20 GMT -5
I totally forgot this song even existed Hope they get some promo lines up or move on to single #3 soon.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 20:14:25 GMT -5
Maybe now that marriage equality is a thing in the US, this will smash and become the gay anthem of 2015. I feel like she has three or four other songs that would have fit that bill more - War Paint being the most obvious, but Take You High or Dance With me as well. Regardless, I agree with getonthebus, Kelly/her team and RCA missed a lot of sync opportunities - not just with Invincible but with Heartbeat Song as well ( so many Valentine's Day possibilities, sigh). I know they've been leaning more and more in a HAC direction for her but it's not like this album is so alien to pop sensibilities or other forms of commercial exploitation that they couldn't have gone for one last big hurrah. It's just been kind of a buzzkill to watch both Kelly and the label kind of give this album the cold shoulder to what is, IMO, an album stuffed with songs tailored for maximum radio friendliness. The only thing that makes so many songs feel like they don't have 'single potential' is Kelly herself and we fans knowing exactly how much (or little) to not expect from her.
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Post by The Upper Hand on Jun 30, 2015 21:29:21 GMT -5
Huge disappointment. This is a great song that they obviously aren't going to send to pop now. The blame lies with both the record company for ignoring any 'sync' opportunities for this and with Kelly for generally not caring about this entire era. This is a big point. They got their lunch ATE by Fight Song. Out-hustled completely. That song is everywhere right now on commercials and promos, and Invincible is nowhere to be seen. Why wasn't Invincible in the Supergirl promo, when its lyrics match the arc of the plot in the trailer? Just not great work by her team on this. I don't know about you, but I blame Jack.
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Post by surfy on Jul 3, 2015 13:13:18 GMT -5
61 59 KELLY CLARKSON Invincible 333 277 +56
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Post by bitchplease on Jul 3, 2015 21:16:20 GMT -5
uum both invincible and fight song are climbing up the chart nicely on Hot AC. pop radio is just simply not buying kelly at all this time. Fight Song isnt the one to blame.
she's also been performing this on US tv here and there, and 1 more is coming up tmrw @macys firework. promo is not that bad for a kelly clarkson 2nd single. the song is just not connecting with the public. 2 pretty high profile performances (Billboard award and the voice duet) failed to send it to top100 on itunes. promo isnt really to blame either.
a part of me is hoping that RCA will stop releasing singles to pop. i dont see anything from this album w current situation will be a pop hit. im afraid more flops/underperforming singles will damage her brand even more. she can make a pop comeback next time around or whenever she is ready image wise and material wise. ... just a thought.
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 4, 2015 11:11:41 GMT -5
uum both invincible and fight song are climbing up the chart nicely on Hot AC. pop radio is just simply not buying kelly at all this time. Fight Song isnt the one to blame. she's also been performing this on US tv here and there, and 1 more is coming up tmrw @macys firework. promo is not that bad for a kelly clarkson 2nd single. the song is just not connecting with the public. 2 pretty high profile performances (Billboard award and the voice duet) failed to send it to top100 on itunes. promo isnt really to blame either. a part of me is hoping that RCA will stop releasing singles to pop. i dont see anything from this album w current situation will be a pop hit. im afraid more flops/underperforming singles will damage her brand even more. she can make a pop comeback next time around or whenever she is ready image wise and material wise. ... just a thought. Pop is WAY more fickle than Hot AC. Kelly is a well established artist on that format, whereas she's been hit or miss on pop since 2007. Fight Song got on pop before Invincible could. There's also the problem that RCA simply is doing nothing for pop. Sure, Kelly has performed it on a few low profile segments, but that's not going to do anything for pop airplay or even digital sales for that matter. The only large performance was the BBMAs, but that was a month before its radio release (why?) and unfortunately Kelly was overshadowed by other performers. There has been zero effort by anyone to even push this at pop. For many, an adds date is all you need, but after Heartbeat Song fizzled, Invincible (or any other single) needed radio promo, and it hasn't gotten that. Because of all of these circumstances, I've pretty much given up on anything from this album doing anything on pop unless by some miracle it gets a strong push on pop.
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Post by Envoirment on Jul 4, 2015 11:40:06 GMT -5
I'm not too sure the song would do that well anyway if pushed properly to pop. It's getting good airplay support in the UK, including strong support from BBC Radio 1, but it's pretty much not going to even enter the top 200, which is a real shame. And given its performance on iTunes after previous TV performances, I don't think this was ever going to do particularly well. However, it's doing great on HAC (Kelly's core format) and should help keep the album selling a bit. Hopefully "Piece By Piece" will become the next single. I think that song would do extremely well on HAC/AC and has crossover potential.
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Post by Adam (UTR) on Jul 6, 2015 13:11:05 GMT -5
Sunday night update: 57 57 KELLY CLARKSON Invincible 324 289 35 0.95
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Post by SoMuchToSay on Jul 6, 2015 22:14:16 GMT -5
Can we just move on to Dance With Me or Someone (with a relevant feature remix) and just pretend this song never happened? Since they don't appear to be pushing the 7th Heaven remix to pop radio.
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Post by bitchplease on Jul 6, 2015 23:06:04 GMT -5
the performance last night from nbc 4th of july thing was unbelivable!! hope this makes top 40 soon.
its #12 on hot AC the last time i checked, and mid 20s on AC. the single still have rooms to grow on those 2 formats, hopefully Invincible can take off and connect with pop audience soon.
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Post by surfy on Jul 8, 2015 20:21:12 GMT -5
58 60 KELLY CLARKSON Invincible 333 333 0
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Post by popbox on Jul 9, 2015 3:58:36 GMT -5
Can we just move on to Dance With Me or Someone (with a relevant feature remix) and just pretend this song never happened? Since they don't appear to be pushing the 7th Heaven remix to pop radio. LMAFO. A remix with Taylor Swift couldn't make Someone even chart let alone be a hit. That is one of the least "hit" songs in her entire catalog.
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Post by Envoirment on Jul 9, 2015 17:31:32 GMT -5
Great news!!!! "Invincible" was played on an ITV advert and is now up to #80 & #571 on UK iTunes and still climbing (second version wasn't top 1500 earlier when I checked). Given today's the first day it's been aired, it should climb a lot more if the advert goes into regular rotation!!! This should mean it'll at least chart top 200 in the UK and will hopefully end up going top 100 or higher.
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Post by getonthebus on Jul 10, 2015 9:16:59 GMT -5
Another missed sync opportunity: Women's World Cup promos/broadcast.
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Post by Dylan :) on Jul 11, 2015 12:58:57 GMT -5
I really really hope this can at least chart :( It's so good, have had it on repeat all day! Living for the dancing in the last chorus
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Post by downsouth on Jul 11, 2015 13:27:47 GMT -5
Looking at this thread and H. Duff thread, seeing RCA being RCA. Do they ever have a hit besides Pitbull and Chris Brown? I know Uptown Funk was a big hit but it was b/c of Bruno. Mark Ronson won't get another hit and no one even remembers that it was his song.
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Post by Adam (UTR) on Jul 13, 2015 9:41:26 GMT -5
Sunday night update: 57 59 KELLY CLARKSON Invincible 345 324 21 1.1
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Post by Unhinged on Jul 13, 2015 11:23:31 GMT -5
Man, I miss the days when "I Do Not Hook Up" was considered a flop and it went Top 10 on CHR. Now, she's struggling to reach the Top 50 with a second single. Ugh. Come on RCA, get your shit together. If you're gonna send a song to POP, don't half ass it!
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Post by Revelry on Jul 13, 2015 11:49:09 GMT -5
^I was thinking about that the other day. I guess we were too spoiled back then. I would love for this to somehow pickup some seam and become a legitimate hit. Im not here for it to slowly climb the charts and peter out at #20 though. If its gonna flop, might as well flop hard lol.
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Post by slayZ on Jul 13, 2015 15:00:48 GMT -5
I love that people keep blaming RCA for the underperformance of this track, as if it was ever meant to be a hit. There's only so much a label can do. Payola doesn't exist, so y'all can stop blaming RCA for every single flop. Audiences just aren't checking for Kelly, especially not after HBS also underperformed and Kelly isn't a hot commodity anymore.
Kelly's management has given her several high profile appearances and the song is just not clicking.
And that's fine. Kelly couldn't care less and her focus is her family at the moment. This album being a flop has more to do with Kelly's current approach than it does with her label.
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Post by bigb0882 on Jul 13, 2015 15:56:37 GMT -5
I love that people keep blaming RCA for the underperformance of this track, as if it was ever meant to be a hit. There's only so much a label can do. Payola doesn't exist, so y'all can stop blaming RCA for every single flop. Audiences just aren't checking for Kelly, especially not after HBS also underperformed and Kelly isn't a hot commodity anymore. Kelly's management has given her several high profile appearances and the song is just not clicking. And that's fine. Kelly couldn't care less and her focus is her family at the moment. This album being a flop has more to do with Kelly's current approach than it does with her label. You contradict yourself. You say that management gave her several high profile appearances. Kelly had to show up for those and participate, right? Was she acting bothered or as if she didn't want to be there because I haven't seen a single mention of that. I think you are right when you say it just isn't clicking but I think then saying Kelly's approach is the problem doesn't make sense. She has done what the label has set up for her and done it with her usual likable personality. I would say radio isn't clicking which doesn't give the public much of a chance. If Kelly is to have a hit it is going to need to be a huge song (like Stronger) or a big collab with a top artist at the moment (and I don't think RRR is going to do it, Legend isn't big enough as a solo artist on Pop).
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Post by BDGeek on Jul 13, 2015 16:22:14 GMT -5
I love that people keep blaming RCA for the underperformance of this track, as if it was ever meant to be a hit. There's only so much a label can do. Payola doesn't exist.It absolutely does. While it's illegal in the traditional sense, promotion teams (funded by the record label) travel to various radio stations across the country to schmooze with programming directors, encouraging them to play songs by their label's artists. Often, this includes the giving of gifts, such as Capitol's sending of cakes to stations encouraging them to spin Katy Perry's "Birthday." It's not always successful, but the more a label spends on their promotion department, the easier time they will have getting radio traction. Stations have a harder time saying no to someone who keeps contacting them and incentivizes the playing of certain artists' songs, rather than someone who just services the song to radio and doesn't remind them to play it. I've always suspected RCA's promotion budget was lacking, seeing as they haven't landed more than two successful singles from an artist's project in god-knows-how-long.
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Post by Revelry on Jul 13, 2015 16:27:19 GMT -5
I'd like to see her actually do some in-station radio interviews for the big stations. Calling up Z100 & KIIS the day of the first single hasn't been cutting it. She needs an Elvis Duran chat + performance type of thing or visit Ryan & Ellen K in person.
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Post by slayZ on Jul 13, 2015 19:21:15 GMT -5
I love that people keep blaming RCA for the underperformance of this track, as if it was ever meant to be a hit. There's only so much a label can do. Payola doesn't exist, so y'all can stop blaming RCA for every single flop. Audiences just aren't checking for Kelly, especially not after HBS also underperformed and Kelly isn't a hot commodity anymore. Kelly's management has given her several high profile appearances and the song is just not clicking. And that's fine. Kelly couldn't care less and her focus is her family at the moment. This album being a flop has more to do with Kelly's current approach than it does with her label. You contradict yourself. You say that management gave her several high profile appearances. Kelly had to show up for those and participate, right? Was she acting bothered or as if she didn't want to be there because I haven't seen a single mention of that. I think you are right when you say it just isn't clicking but I think then saying Kelly's approach is the problem doesn't make sense. She has done what the label has set up for her and done it with her usual likable personality. I would say radio isn't clicking which doesn't give the public much of a chance. If Kelly is to have a hit it is going to need to be a huge song (like Stronger) or a big collab with a top artist at the moment (and I don't think RRR is going to do it, Legend isn't big enough as a solo artist on Pop). How am I contradicting myself? I never said she was being forced to promote or that she was miserable. I said her approach towards her career has changed, which it has. She's said so herself. Her career is no longer her main priority. And the "label" didn't set her up for anything. Her management, that she hired herself, did. As much as fans online would like to think Payola is still a thing of the present, a label sending a cake to KIIS FM so they can play a single is no form of bribery nor does it guarantee airplay like ACTUAL pay for airplay would. There's a reason Birthday was received mildly. You'd think those cakes would have gotten her a massive hit to follow up one of the biggest songs of the decade...but they didn't. It's called guerrilla marketing. Managers can book you at Z100 to do interviews with Elvis Duran all they want, that if radio programmers don't feel like your song is "hot" enough to fit in their playlists, or if you aren't a hot commodity, you're essentially screwed, and there's only so much a label can do about it. Like I said, she got high profile promo spots to promote the track and it never even cracked the top 100 on iTunes. That has nothing to do with RCA or Kelly. It has to do with the song not connecting, for whatever reason it may be. RCA isn't always the bad guy, and they aren't as horrible as a lot of you are so quick to point out whenever a song you think has potential underperforms on Pop radio. Try shifting the blame somewhere else sometime. On another note, nobody wants to listen to a ballad about not crying anymore because you're a warrior and a shooting star in the summer. In my opinion, this was the total wrong choice for the season. Y'all are telling me this is what you'd play on your beach BBQ's with your friends after jamming out to Cool For The Summer by Demi Lovato and Watch Me by Silento?
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Post by getonthebus on Jul 13, 2015 19:44:22 GMT -5
This era wasn't connecting, and RCA abandoning previously-hyped projects is starting to feel like a trend this year. They've done some consolidating, and album sales all around (sans Taylor of course) have been abysmal. They're obviously regrouping and budgeting for Q3/4 releases now, and anything out there right now that's not clicking is getting chucked overboard, including this single.
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Post by NeRD on Jul 13, 2015 21:50:59 GMT -5
Wait..has this even gone for pop adds? Why y'all mad at pop radio?
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Post by Unhinged on Jul 14, 2015 7:18:26 GMT -5
^ Good point, was this even sent to POP? I just figured because it got adds that it was but of course that may not be the case...
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Post by bitchplease on Jul 14, 2015 8:10:58 GMT -5
it did.
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Post by suttonplace on Jul 14, 2015 8:15:49 GMT -5
I'd like to see her actually do some in-station radio interviews for the big stations. Calling up Z100 & KIIS the day of the first single hasn't been cutting it. She needs an Elvis Duran chat + performance type of thing or visit Ryan & Ellen K in person. She just did a whole bunch of spring radio concerts, and the iheart pool party, and the iheart music awards...I don't know whether those were "payment" for heartbeat song, or for invincible but its not like she hasn't done a good amount of radio promo this era. I love Invincible...its my favorite song from the album...but for whatever reason its not getting support at pop radio (its doing great at hac -- will be another top 10 there for her)..I do suspect that Fight Song may be hurting it at pop -- there is only so much room for inspirational, mid tempo/ballads on pop playlists; and this really isn't a summery song. just bad timing
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Post by Dylan :) on Jul 16, 2015 17:56:53 GMT -5
I need this to do something :( Should've been a duet, keeping the Sia vocals was genius (for whoever cares)
https%3A//soundcloud.com/dylanglcisback/invincible-sia-bgvs Invincible
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