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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 16, 2016 10:10:49 GMT -5
2. Taylor has won 10 GRAMMYS, and is the first female artist to win 2 AOTY awards for her own work, why are we attacking her for being confident and proud of her accomplishments? (I'm sure I could figure out why, but I won't go there...) It's probably for the same reason people attack Kanye when he brags about his accomplishments. In general people prefer it when other people are humble, particularly people who have a lot fame, money, and success. I think Taylor and Kanye are a lot more alike than Taylor would ever admit.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 16, 2016 10:13:13 GMT -5
Please show me where I asked why it didn't get the same attention. You didn't explicitly ask why. But when someone raises a point that "X deserved the attention that Y received," generally the next steps in a discussion is the deconstruction of the "Why" behind it. I mean...I don't disagree with your post. I feel you. I just mean that I know why it didn't get the same attention. My point was more that it came out a year before "Formation" and is a much better exploration of what it means to be black in modern times, so I wish it had gotten more attention. Meanwhile, it's a shame NARAS didn't mention Mariah Carey at all. It's the 25th anniversary of her winning Best New Artist and they couldn't even mention that in the intro for this year's award? Even better would have been having her present it, though maybe she had a show last night. Not sure.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 16, 2016 10:21:53 GMT -5
TPTB tried to act like Natalie Cole would get her due in the In Memorium section, but she got the same treatmeant as BB King and Glenn Frey there...and they had actual tributes to boot. WTH?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 16, 2016 10:22:21 GMT -5
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Post by DJ General on Feb 16, 2016 11:42:40 GMT -5
The Grammy Awards, unsurprisingly, gave CBS a huge ratings win Monday night. The live telecast is currently has a 7.4 rating in adults 18-49, pending updates. (Last yearβs show drew an 8.5; it did not air live coast to coast, so comparisons wonβt be valid until time zone-adjusted ratings are available).
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Post by newpower on Feb 16, 2016 11:58:31 GMT -5
Can't Slow Down by Lionel Richie won the Grammy for AOTY 30 years ago. The other album of the year nominees: Born in the USA, Private Dancer, Purple Rain and She's So Unusual. 4 classics. I would even argue that Can't Slow Down is the weakest, even though is not a bad album. 30 years from now, which of this year 5 nominees will be remembered?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 12:03:26 GMT -5
How many saying Kendrick deserved AOTY have actually listened to the whole album... I did I got a physical copy that has to be shipped from the other side of the country because Hip-Hop isn't big here. I'm too poor for physichals , but I have it on my iTunes and it's surely my faved rap album of last year. King Kunta is surely my faved off the album though, that's a daily listen for me
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 12:06:44 GMT -5
Also, still feel like Swift doesn't deserve all those Grammys She's not bad, but there was ALWAYS someone better and more deserving But she is right now everyone's front and center pop music queen in mainstream so she's bound to win.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Feb 16, 2016 12:09:23 GMT -5
Thoughts:
Nothing was really notable until Little Big Town came along with that miraculous version of Girl Crush. Then, Stevie and Pentatonix (as much as they irk me) MURKED my favorite EWF song. James Bay struggled out the gate but when he got it together, he and Tori were divine. As much as her recorded output bores me to tears, her live vocals are always pretty flawless. I can't believe that people are selling their soul for tickets to Hamilton. That was the first time I had ever heard/seen anything from that musical and it was...terrible. Clumsy, off-beat...a trainwreck. They couldn't find any actual rappers to do it?
Of course, Kendrick did his thing. I liked the performance art sections of it much more than the Hamilton piece. Alabama Shakes is one of the best live bands on the planet right now and they continued to prove that. Adele was clearly thrown off by the piano mic falling into the piano repeatedly but I give her an A for effort, effort that poor Taylor should never have exerted but hey, she was feelin it, even if Adele wasn't so...
Justin and his Derelicte skatepunk performance was OK but I would have preferred if he showed off those tricks and banged dem sticks #meghantrainor. Even his modified version of Love Yourself was wonky but I definitely headbanged a bit during Where Are U Now.
Lady Gaga was a predictably perfect choice for the Bowie tribute and I loved the special effects. It was slightly disjointed but "Heroes" was a Grammy moment.
Oh...I would love to see Chris Stapleton and Gary Clark, Jr. tour together. In fact, they should just form a two-man band.
Overall, I was highly entertained (the good greens and bourbon certainly helped) but yawn at the winners. I was certain they would go with The Shakes or even Kendrick for AOTY but...America's Sweetheart got it after all. As much as I loved that album, I don't think it deserved the highest honors.
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Post by magik on Feb 16, 2016 12:11:32 GMT -5
I can honestly say I listen to the album several times a week, and I can honestly tell you that it is a better album than 1989. Album of the Year notoriously goes to the wrong choice, so I'm not surprised. I don't listen to it a ton, but that doesn't mean I don't love it. To me it's a very expansive, challenging, deep album and not one you necessarily want to listen to driving to work or something. That doesn't mean it isn't great, though. I don't think someone has to listen to something on the daily for it to be the best. I did I say or imply otherwise? It was directed at that person that assumed that all of the people saying Kendrick Lamar deserved AOTY didn't listen to the album. I listen to the album - quite frequently - so it's not me just saying that just to fit in. It's what I feel. Not that deep.
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Post by kanimal on Feb 16, 2016 12:25:13 GMT -5
1. Remember that music is subjective. Taylor and Kendrick are both talented in their own right, you want to blame anyone, blame the Grammy committee not the artist. 2. Taylor has won 10 GRAMMYS, and is the first female artist to win 2 AOTY awards for her own work, why are we attacking her for being confident and proud of her accomplishments? (I'm sure I could figure out why, but I won't go there...) First, Taylor's speech played brilliantly with the media, so it's almost moot to criticize it. The media hates Kanye and loves the "girl power" angle, and this speech perfectly checked both boxes. I also don't know that anyone's necessarily "attacking" her pride and confidence (the quality of her album maybe). Someone said they felt she could have been more humble in her speech, and I think that's pretty categorically true. Awards shows speeches are usually about giving everyone else credit for the award -- Taylor's was about how *she* did something no one else did and how *she* deserves credit for her accomplishment. I'm not saying she's wrong - or that what she said is wrong - but I'm sure you can admit the speech was jarring if nothing else? My thoughts? I liked the Kanye element of it. It was a great "full circle" moment from her. At the VMAs, she was famously timid - she was a young, naive, innocent girl (but a famous one!) who let this rude jackass walk all over her. Here, she fights his fire with fire of her own. She's an empowered woman not afraid to stand up for herself, in the process encouraging other women to stand up for themselves. That part of the speech played really well. The problem is that this wasn't a conversation with Kanye -- it was a speech about an award being delivered to the masses and being presented as an inspiring message for young woman. I think it was a bit problematic in that regard. One of Taylor's famous hooks is the whole "YOU GUYS (fans) did this." You guys helped me sell 1 million copies three times in a row. You guys won me this award. So much so that some of her friends like Rachel Platten have begun to incorporate similar phrasing into their social media posts. So it was interesting, if not slightly off-putting, to see her framing switch to "I DID THIS." I did something no other woman did. This is my accomplishment. I get that she gave credit to people who "love and support her," but that wording wasn't particularly resonant. It still very much came across like "I'm a badass" rather than "thanks to everyone who gave me a chance to become a badass." I think a better version of the speech is "There's a certain person out there claiming he's responsible for making me famous. I disagree. I'm famous - and I'm up here - because of each and everyone of you fans who have tirelessly supported me from the time I was a girl writing songs about boys to someone who is winning her second Album of The Year Grammy." She still gets to humblebrag, still gets to diss Kanye, but she resonates better with the audience.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 12:26:17 GMT -5
LMAO at people trying to discredit Taylor. Taylor was huge long before Kanye's rude ass interrupted her. She did win the award that night, don't forget, and it was fan voted... She wasn't just some random guest. The Kanye/Taylor feud blew up - but not enough to generate ten Grammy wins over the course of the following seven years. Honestly, in 2009 I wasn't even paying attention to the pop charts that much and I was STILL getting really fucking sick of Taylor. She was big well before the Kanye stuff, no doubt about it. Best performances were Adele (idgaf about the technical issues she's still my queen), Eagles, Stevie Wonder/Pentatonix, and Lady Gaga.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 12:28:43 GMT -5
LMAO at people trying to discredit Taylor. Taylor was huge long before Kanye's rude ass interrupted her. She did win the award that night, don't forget, and it was fan voted... She wasn't just some random guest. The Kanye/Taylor feud blew up - but not enough to generate ten Grammy wins over the course of the following seven years. Honestly, in 2009 I wasn't even paying attention to the pop charts that much and I was STILL getting really f**king sick of Taylor. She was big well before the Kanye stuff, no doubt about it. Best performances were Adele (idgaf about the technical issues she's still my queen), Eagles, Stevie Wonder/Pentatonix, and Lady Gaga. What about Kendrick's performance?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 12:31:07 GMT -5
It wasn't bad but he's not really my thing, I respect him though.
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Post by Eloqueenβ’ on Feb 16, 2016 12:38:46 GMT -5
2. Taylor has won 10 GRAMMYS, and is the first female artist to win 2 AOTY awards for her own work, why are we attacking her for being confident and proud of her accomplishments? (I'm sure I could figure out why, but I won't go there...) It's probably for the same reason people attack Kanye when he brags about his accomplishments. In general people prefer it when other people are humble, particularly people who have a lot fame, money, and success. I think Taylor and Kanye are a lot more alike than Taylor would ever admit. So now even just her mentioning it is "bragging"? Naw.
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Post by Leigh on Feb 16, 2016 12:51:17 GMT -5
I'm definitely not a fan of Taylor Swift and do not believe she deserved yet another Grammy, but I personally didn't see the problem with her speech. In the context of putting Kanye West in his place, I thought she was right to talk about how she (**and the people who love her**) got her where she is.
I think it is very clear how Taylor feels about and appreciates her fans (even if the pessimistic part of me could sometimes question the motives behind some of the generosity to her fans that make it to the headlines) - why not take a moment to remind those young girls who look up to her that her hard work got her onto that Grammy stage (of course with help from many others who she has no doubt thanked on that very stage many times before); particularly days after those young girls heard a full-grown man boast how his inappropriate and rude behavior got her there instead. As a role model to these girls, I thought she put a positive message across.
Now the tweet questioning why she was surrounded by an exclusively male set of producers whilst delivering this message raises a more interesting point for me.
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Post by when the pawn... on Feb 16, 2016 12:54:07 GMT -5
PERFORMANCES 1. Kendrick Lamar 2. Lady Gaga 3. Chris Stapleton, Gary Clark Jr & Bonnie Raitt 4. The Cast of Hamilton 5. Alabama Shakes 6. Miguel HUGE GAP; everyone else
*IMO, Kendrick Lamar was robbed for Album of the Year and watching Ed Sheeran and Meghan Trainor pick up their general field awards was cringey to me. *I didn't want Taylor to win but I enjoyed her speech. At first, I thought the brag was weird but when I realized it was a dig at Kanye, it came together. If a very popular rapper publicly said that he made you famous and because of that, you owe him sex...you'd rub this accomplishment in his face as well. It worked well as her statement on that lyric. *The first 90 minutes were insufferably boring. All of the highlights came after 9:30.
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Post by DJ General on Feb 16, 2016 12:58:11 GMT -5
Ed deserved his wins. He is one of the most talented artists around. His live show is by far one of the best I've ever seen. Playing in front of 80,000 people with no band, NOTHING. Very few, if any, artists can do that. He has been up for countless awards before and never won any, and THinking Out Loud really spoke to a lot of people last year. Sure, it isn't his best song, but it was time for him to win, and I still think it was one of the best picks in the fields it won regardless.
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Post by Leigh on Feb 16, 2016 13:28:54 GMT -5
Imogen Heap could have been there but I guess she didn't feel like it. Ah ok - well that settles that point too, thanks. All in all, much ado about nothing.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 16, 2016 13:48:32 GMT -5
Ed deserved his wins. He is one of the most talented artists around. His live show is by far one of the best I've ever seen. Playing in front of 80,000 people with no band, NOTHING. Very few, if any, artists can do that. He has been up for countless awards before and never won any, and THinking Out Loud really spoke to a lot of people last year. Sure, it isn't his best song, but it was time for him to win, and I still think it was one of the best picks in the fields it won regardless. I can't count the number of concerts I've been to that was just a singer with an instrument. Most songwriters start out like that. Kudos to Ed but it's not that rare. (Ftr: I'm glad he won the awards he did)
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 16, 2016 14:09:53 GMT -5
Ed deserved his wins. He is one of the most talented artists around. His live show is by far one of the best I've ever seen. Playing in front of 80,000 people with no band, NOTHING. Very few, if any, artists can do that. He has been up for countless awards before and never won any, and THinking Out Loud really spoke to a lot of people last year. Sure, it isn't his best song, but it was time for him to win, and I still think it was one of the best picks in the fields it won regardless. But all of those positives you mention have nothing to do with Song of the Year, and even you agree "TOL" isn't his best song.
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Post by when the pawn... on Feb 16, 2016 14:33:25 GMT -5
By the way, for all of this "Did Kanye make Taylor famous or not?" talk, here's my 2 cents. He did and didn't - it's not that relevant to me. If he wants to take credit, that's fine - it's annoying but it's fine and not totally off base. The first problem to me is the inclusion of the B word. Kanye said it's a term of endearment but we all know that is horribly misguided and the use of it belittles her more than taking credit for her fame. The second (and key) problem is implying that BECAUSE he "made her famous," that she owes him sex.
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Post by DJ General on Feb 16, 2016 14:35:24 GMT -5
Ed deserved his wins. He is one of the most talented artists around. His live show is by far one of the best I've ever seen. Playing in front of 80,000 people with no band, NOTHING. Very few, if any, artists can do that. He has been up for countless awards before and never won any, and THinking Out Loud really spoke to a lot of people last year. Sure, it isn't his best song, but it was time for him to win, and I still think it was one of the best picks in the fields it won regardless. I can't count the number of concerts I've been to that was just a singer with an instrument. Most songwriters start out like that. Kudos to Ed but it's not that rare. (Ftr: I'm glad he won the awards he did) The point is, Ed is beyond that level. Also, you saw those people in a small club or opening for someone on a big tour. No one plays in front of 80,000 people alone anymore. It is very rare.
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Post by when the pawn... on Feb 16, 2016 14:38:00 GMT -5
1989 and "Uptown Funk" seem like obvious early frontrunners. Hozier and Meghan Trainor for Best New Artist. Forthcoming albums from Rihanna, Kendrick Lamar, Mumford & Sons, Kanye West, Drake, Florence + The Machine Possible forthcoming material from Adele, Bruno Mars, Frank Ocean, Katy Perry The new Sam Smith/John Legend collaboration could easily get a Pop Duo/Group nomination. "Thinking Out Loud" seems like a good bet. "Love Me Like You Do" could be Ellie's first grace with the Grammys. Best Rap Album could be really strong this year - Nicki Minaj, J Cole, Run the Jewels, Drake, Kanye West, Kendrick Lamar...that's scary! Hell, even Big Sean's new album would be a worthy possible-nominee in a weaker year. R&B should be all about Jazmine Sullivan, D'Angelo, Mary J Blige and Tinashe so far. Miguel and Frank Ocean potentially coming out with new material. Rock & Alternative already looks strong with Sleater-Kinney, The Decemberists and Father John Misty. Muse, Modest Mouse, Alabama Shakes, Sufjan Stevens to come. Pop should have Rihanna, new Sia, possibly Adele, Florence + The Machine, Mark Ronson, possibly Katy Perry, Marina & The Diamonds (a girl can dream) The eventual nominees/winners presented themselves early in the year, these are all my predictions from the first page.
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Post by when the pawn... on Feb 16, 2016 14:42:20 GMT -5
I can't count the number of concerts I've been to that was just a singer with an instrument. Most songwriters start out like that. Kudos to Ed but it's not that rare. (Ftr: I'm glad he won the awards he did) The point is, Ed is beyond that level. Also, you saw those people in a small club or opening for someone on a big tour. No one plays in front of 80,000 people alone anymore. It is very rare. Perhaps but I don't know if that is a strength in and of itself? I've never seen him live so I can't speak to the quality of his show but I don't think Ed playing solo to big crowds makes him automatically Grammy-worthy. My point was that the idea that "Thinking Out Loud" was the best example of premium songwriting in 2015 is a little nuts to me. Obviously musical taste is subjective but it's a fairly basic song, for the lack of a better word. It's put together nicely but I think "Alright" and "Blank Space" (as well as MANY non-nominated songs) were more interesting.
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Post by kanimal on Feb 16, 2016 14:59:39 GMT -5
Time adjusted fast national ratings: 7.7 A18-49 rating, 24.95 million viewers. Lowest since 2009.
Could have used a draw like Drake.
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Post by imbondz on Feb 16, 2016 15:16:35 GMT -5
Can't Slow Down by Lionel Richie won the Grammy for AOTY 30 years ago. The other album of the year nominees: Born in the USA, Private Dancer, Purple Rain and She's So Unusual. 4 classics. I would even argue that Can't Slow Down is the weakest, even though is not a bad album. 30 years from now, which of this year 5 nominees will be remembered? if they'll even be remembered in 30 years...do we remember albums from the 40's? No. imo: Purple Rain Born In The USA then way down... She's So Unusal Private Dancer Can't Slow Down
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Post by ddlz on Feb 16, 2016 15:20:51 GMT -5
Kendrick! Best performance by far!!
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Post by DJ General on Feb 16, 2016 15:31:59 GMT -5
The Grammy Awards, unsurprisingly, gave CBS a huge ratings win Monday night. The live telecast currently has a 7.4 rating drew a 7.7 rating in adults 18-49, per time zone-adjusted fast nationals. Thatβs down from 8.5 last season, when the awards aired in their usual Sunday spot. (Viewer numbers were about the same: 24.95 million vs. 25.3 million last year.)
Pretty great ratings.
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