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Post by toomuchboy on May 25, 2018 18:18:01 GMT -5
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Post by Caviar on May 25, 2018 18:21:50 GMT -5
It’s always an issue when females know their worth.
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Post by Choco on May 25, 2018 19:15:33 GMT -5
What I don't get is why people have this strange hatred for her just because she got paid 25 million. What was she supposed to say when they offered that--no? I'm sure she would've signed for 7-10 million less than she did, but who in their right mind would turn that down if offered? I see that less as hatred for Katy and more bewilderment at ABC for paying her disproportionately so much more than Lionel, Luke, and Ryan. Luke and Ryan both got $12 million, Lionel got $10 million. Katy's brand is definitely the most lucrative, but it's kind of ridiculous she's making 2.5 times as much as music legend Lionel Richie. It's especially crazy when you compare it to what previous judges were making when the show was more popular on Fox. J-Lo had negotiated up to $15 million by her final season. Mariah got $18 million for hers. Is Katy really worth that much more than either of them? Not talking in terms of her inherent value as a person, just saying ABC jumped the shark in its willingness to pay her so much. All those salaries seem so high. How does the show make money at all? Especially when the winners don't really get much success anymore.
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Post by Keelzit on May 25, 2018 20:30:40 GMT -5
A return to pop superstardom may not be in her cards and I don’t think she should even be held to that expectation. Nobody stays on top forever- especially in pop, especially a female in pop, especially a female in pop approaching her mid 30s. After 10 years, most fanbases have either grown out of an artist and the GP starts focusing on a new crop of pop-stars. There’s also the fact that pop isn’t even really IN right now that adds to the stack being completely against her. I don’t think she or her team expects to have an album as big as TD or Prism again, she’s pocketing $25 mil judging on AI so continuing to do that will probably be more lucrative for her than anything else. Especially if she can demand even close to that figure for Season 2. She'll always be a pop superstar no matter what. Just like Gaga, Britney, Xtina, etc because superstardom is something that doesn't go away once you get it. Popularity is probably the best term to use here. She might never be as popular (on the charts) as she was before but she'll always be an A-list celeb.
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Post by Normi on May 26, 2018 6:43:01 GMT -5
I returned to this recently and... Where are you Katy Release Witness and Deja Vu as singles
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Post by blanksnake17 on May 26, 2018 15:28:11 GMT -5
She should release a new album in Spring 2019. She can most likely recover from Witness, though probably not to the point she used to be.
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Post by Ty on May 29, 2018 15:52:25 GMT -5
I just watched her 2015 Superbowl performance. She was a goddess, a real superstar there. It's frustrating how one haircut, two flopped singles and three years have completely changed the way people see her...
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Post by kmbgs on May 29, 2018 17:40:59 GMT -5
I just watched her 2015 Superbowl performance. She was a goddess, a real superstar there. It's frustrating how one haircut, two flopped singles and three years have completely changed the way people see her... Don’t forget the takedown by America’s sweetheart
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Post by Glove Slap on May 29, 2018 18:38:57 GMT -5
I just watched her 2015 Superbowl performance. She was a goddess, a real superstar there. It's frustrating how one haircut, two flopped singles and three years have completely changed the way people see her... Don’t forget the takedown by America’s sweetheart Cardi and Katy were just taking pics at the Met Gala.
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Post by George on May 29, 2018 23:19:49 GMT -5
I returned to this recently and... Where are you Katy Release Witness and Deja Vu as singles I wonder if we’ll get a movie clips video for “Roulette” once SMART Chase/The Shanghai Job gets a U.S. release:
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Post by Snowbeast on May 29, 2018 23:49:11 GMT -5
I just watched her 2015 Superbowl performance. She was a goddess, a real superstar there. It's frustrating how one haircut, two flopped singles and three years have completely changed the way people see her... Three flop singles.
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Post by wjr15 on May 30, 2018 2:05:39 GMT -5
I just watched her 2015 Superbowl performance. She was a goddess, a real superstar there. It's frustrating how one haircut, two flopped singles and three years have completely changed the way people see her... Three flop singles. Three flop singles? Bon Appétit, Swish Swish...that’s two. Chained To The Rhythm and Feels were both moderate hits. Hey Hey Hey was never released as a single in the US
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Post by Snowbeast on May 30, 2018 3:07:00 GMT -5
Three flop singles? Bon Appétit, Swish Swish...that’s two. Chained To The Rhythm and Feels were both moderate hits. Hey Hey Hey was never released as a single in the US If Feels is a Katy Perry single, so is Rise lol
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Post by wjr15 on May 30, 2018 3:25:46 GMT -5
Three flop singles? Bon Appétit, Swish Swish...that’s two. Chained To The Rhythm and Feels were both moderate hits. Hey Hey Hey was never released as a single in the US If Feels is a Katy Perry single, so is Rise lol Katy is featured on Feels. And Rise is a Katy single. I’m not sure where you’re going with this...
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Post by Snowbeast on May 30, 2018 3:48:54 GMT -5
If Feels is a Katy Perry single, so is Rise lol Katy is featured on Feels. And Rise is a Katy single. I’m not sure where you’re going with this... That she didn’t have any hits this era. Feels was the only real hit, and it was a feature, but a hit nonetheless. CTTR was forgotten about 2 weeks after it was released, and with a star as big as Katy, it’s not as black and white as looking back at a front loaded peak # to justify its success.Chained peaked where it did because it was the first single, and I don’t see how anyone can think that song happened/is even known by anyone outside the gay community present day. Despite its shit peak, I think Swish Swish is actually the biggest hit of the era. I believe it’s the one song people will remember in a couple years from now, and the only one that will be referenced by media when referring to this project in the future
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 30, 2018 5:32:28 GMT -5
CTTR was a hit. It was just forgotten. Hits don't have to be remembered to still be hits.
I think people too often mix up long-term memorability with being a hit (I used to do it too though). They are different things.
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Post by Dylan :) on May 30, 2018 5:41:25 GMT -5
Rise was a single but I wouldn’t put it on the same single tier as California Gurls, The One That Got Away, Roar, etc. It wasn’t a promotional single either. It was kind of in between. I don’t hear Chained To The Rhythm on the radio anymore but everyone I know still knows it based on what they listen to or sing. It was a moderate hit no matter what way you look at it, even if mostly front loaded. It’s dissapoitng longevity doesn’t take away from it. It was on of her biggest (I believe third highest debut peak) single starts ever. Bon Appetit was a flop outside of its video views and Swish Swish was a flop in general. The only thing that saves Swish Swish is the backpack kid dance, but that doesn’t make it a hit and I am pretty sure that was a thing anyway.
I don’t think changing her hair had that much of an impact. At the start of the era she had slightly above shoulder length, blonde hair and no one cared. Where she began to tank I think was when she shaved her hair super short. They pushed Bon Appetit way too early without giving Chained To The Rhythm a real chance. Then everyone was convinced Ariana would be featured on it, only for it then to be (alleged homophobes - I say alleged as I don’t really know anything about them to say for definite as I ignore them as best I can) Migos. And that also coincided with her short hair reveal, which came not long after her comment about not being Britney yet as she hadn’t shaved her head yet (or something along those lines). I don’t think people miss her hair (although I do but it’s her hair, she can do what she wants), they miss the Katy before her haircut and don’t like the post haircut Katy. People loved her wigs in Bon Appetit’s video and Feels’ for this reason, I think. Also, her campaigning for Hillary and then bringing out a political-ish song probably didn’t help things
I think she has finally got to the point where she has a chance for Hot 100 success. She needs to release a song with a great hook (get Bonnie on the phone) and just act/appear better in public. I would say grow her hair out again but, again, it’s her hair, she can do what she wants. Songs like Hey Hey Hey wouldn’t have been a hit in 2010 and they are not going to be now. Even Chained To The Rhythm’s chorus was jarring.
I am looking forward to new music from her :)
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on May 30, 2018 6:10:28 GMT -5
I'm from Europe, and you couldn't escape from CTTR. This song is probably one of the Katy's biggest hits in Europe.
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Post by trustypepper on May 30, 2018 7:40:18 GMT -5
Not only was "Chained" a hit, it showed that the public was here for another Katy era. The material that followed is what hampered the momentum.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 30, 2018 12:50:12 GMT -5
well i actually thought Bon Appetit was pretty amazing when we first heard it (and still do), but that awful extremely short haircut and that cherry pie promo from that truck in NY was just such a buzzkill. Image counts, too.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on May 30, 2018 14:45:07 GMT -5
So I'm guessing the Celine circa 2003 look is here to stay? It's been a year and her hair hasn't grown at all. lol
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Post by Relaxing Cup on May 30, 2018 14:45:17 GMT -5
I'm from Europe, and you couldn't escape from CTTR. This song is probably one of the Katy's biggest hits in Europe. you couldn't escape CTTR from any part of Europe? the entire continent? Wow. I think Katy had a good career all things considered, it just ran it's course, nothing more. A haircut isn't to blame here. I'm sure she'll still put out music like Carly Rae does. It may or may not shoot up the charts but it'll still be consumable for the fans.
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Post by trustypepper on May 30, 2018 15:55:59 GMT -5
I'm from Europe, and you couldn't escape from CTTR. This song is probably one of the Katy's biggest hits in Europe. you couldn't escape CTTR from any part of Europe? the entire continent? Wow. I think Katy had a good career all things considered, it just ran it's course, nothing more. A haircut isn't to blame here. I'm sure she'll still put out music like Carly Rae does. It may or may not shoot up the charts but it'll still be consumable for the fans. I'm not sure why her career is being talked about in the past tense, it's not like she's dead or anything. Writing off an artist after one flop era is interesting to say the least.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on May 30, 2018 16:02:50 GMT -5
you couldn't escape CTTR from any part of Europe? the entire continent? Wow. I think Katy had a good career all things considered, it just ran it's course, nothing more. A haircut isn't to blame here. I'm sure she'll still put out music like Carly Rae does. It may or may not shoot up the charts but it'll still be consumable for the fans. I'm not sure why her career is being talked about in the past tense, it's not like she's not dead or anything. Writing off an artist after one flop era is interesting to say the least. My bad, I meant to say “has had”. Damn Present Perfect verb tense.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on May 30, 2018 18:11:43 GMT -5
I'm from Europe, and you couldn't escape from CTTR. This song is probably one of the Katy's biggest hits in Europe. you couldn't escape CTTR from any part of Europe? the entire continent? Wow.I think Katy had a good career all things considered, it just ran it's course, nothing more. A haircut isn't to blame here. I'm sure she'll still put out music like Carly Rae does. It may or may not shoot up the charts but it'll still be consumable for the fans. Yeah, exactly like that. Really unnecessary reply
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Post by toomuchboy on May 30, 2018 18:49:23 GMT -5
Not only was "Chained" a hit, it showed that the public was here for another Katy era. The material that followed is what hampered the momentum. This. And I'd say "Bon Appetit" damaged her momentum. "Swish Swish" would've been moderately successful if she hadn't vanished when it was released; Nicki did more to promote the song than she did.
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Post by dbhmr on May 30, 2018 18:52:58 GMT -5
Katy Perry's identify as an artist has two key cornerstones: easy, catchy, quirky pop music, and chart-topping hits. She never grounded herself with the public in anything deeper, so as soon as one--or in her case, both--went, it was always going to spell disaster for her.
Which doesn't mean she's destined to flop from here on out, but I don't think this is an era she will fully recover from, in the same way that nearly all female popstars don't ever fully recover from whatever era they first saw a slump, for whatever reason. Why she slumped is specific to her, but it happening at all was always to be expected.
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Post by wjr15 on May 30, 2018 21:51:16 GMT -5
Not only was "Chained" a hit, it showed that the public was here for another Katy era. The material that followed is what hampered the momentum. This. And I'd say "Bon Appetit" damaged her momentum. "Swish Swish" would've been moderately successful if she hadn't vanished when it was released; Nicki did more to promote the song than she did. I agree with you that the release schedule/promo for this era was very botched. CTTR started off well: good debut, good video, Grammy & Brit performances, radio interviews. I still find it odd that it stalled at #8 on CHR but I can only chalk it up to timing. The charts were very competitive at that time, 2017 not being nice to female pop stars, and releasing a political song in a very politically charged time. After that, it’s like they forgot how to run an era. Like someone said before, the rumors of Ari being on BA only to be let down with a highly scrutinized collab with Migos. Add that to a song that was not well received (I love BA btw) and a drastic image change, and it definitely put a huge dent in her momentum. Then they drop BA a month later for SS instead. She gave it one performance on SNL and then pretty much disappear. SS hung around in the Top 100 of iTunes for about a month and her team did nothing until two months later when they gave it a music video and VMA performance. By then SS was long gone from the charts. I really find it surprising that she didn’t release any singles after the album release. It’s like they gave up before the album was even released. The era had potential but it was handled very poorly.
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Post by trustypepper on May 30, 2018 22:00:38 GMT -5
I still think "Swish Swish" should have been the second single. I could see the era panning out quite differently if that was the case.
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Post by Ty on May 31, 2018 1:30:11 GMT -5
Ideally the singles should be: CTTR - Witness - Roulette - Deja Vu - Swish Swish or Bon Appetit or Hey Hey Hey
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