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Post by Exclusive on Jan 23, 2018 23:19:16 GMT -5
Who the hell stanning for “Love Me”? (A song I like)
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Post by wjr15 on Jan 24, 2018 1:19:57 GMT -5
Prism is truly an album where Katy’s weaknesses as an artist are front and center. It just has all these tracks that don’t *do* anything for her as an artist. Like, International Smile? This is How We Do? Those are like the definition of fillers — useless fun fluff that aren’t going to genuinely connect a listener to Katy. And one was a single! Releasing This Is How We Do is still one of the most “The marketing department thinks the kids will like this!” inauthentic boardroom decided nonsense I’ve ever seen. Katy doesn’t have album tracks like Taylor Swift does. Let’s skip many of the phenomenal Red album tracks and the massive 1989 album. Look at Reputation: Getaway Car most likely probably won’t be released as a single, but it’s interesting, well made, and *connected* in something. Her fan base loves that song. Who the hell stanning for “Love Me”? (A song I like.) I actually enjoy most of Prism very much. And yes there are songs like By The Grace of God, I acknowledge. But it still all has a kind of surfacey glean to the whole thing that I think really makes it hard to connect to Katy as a person and artist when you take our stuff like Roar and Dark Horse — which is why without the massive hits like this this era, her album flopped. Comparing Getaway Car to Love Me is like comparing Walking On Air to So It Goes. Getaway Car is a fan fave from Reputation like Walking On Air is a fan fave from Prism. Both albums have their good points and both have their duds. Maybe because you’re not a KatyCat that you cant see, but there are a lot of fan favorite album tracks that fans stan (Hummingbird Heartbeat, Walking On Air, Legendary Lovers, Ghost, Witness, Roulette, Act My Age). Similar to how I don’t see how anyone stans Delicate but for Swifties, it’s a fan favorite. And it all goes back to how Katy is more of a singles artist where a lot of her mainstream fandom comes from her catchy singles.
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Post by theflying on Jan 24, 2018 1:45:30 GMT -5
Delicate is on Today's Top Hits, and clearly has a particular place on the album. It's not about how "you can see" whether or not someone stans for it. I've listened to reputation a ton of times, except Dress, which I've only listened to like twice. I just don't like the song. It's not what I want from Taylor, and I don't think she pulls that kind of thing off well. But it clearly has a "place" on the album: it's different from any other song Taylor has not just on the album, but in her discography. There's no other song like "Dress". Meanwhile the entire back half of Prism is just this droll sappy lull and it's like 4 tracks of it!
I'm also not comparing Getaway Car to Love Me.
I'm saying, as a body of work, Katy's albums contain tracks that often don't do much to further her artistic identity or foster a connection between the listener and artist. The thought is similar to what you're pointing out about how Katy is more of a singles artist, but I'm just attempting to dive a little more into the "why" of that.
I like International Smile. It's cute and fun. This Is How We Do is a joke, but a semi-enjoyable joke. But even though the second half of Prism is often regarded as forgettable and filler (and lord knows I don't disagree), to me, IS and TIHWD are even better examples of filler: They're fun, but they just don't accomplish anything that other tracks on the album don't accomplish better. Certainly with TIHWD, there's so many other cheeky corny songs she had done (it was her damn brand), what was the point of This Is How We Do? It's just a wasted track, when it could've been replaced by something more interesting, more unique.
That's how Katy ends up as a singles artist, who bombs if the singles don't hit it big, and Taylor sells albums. It's not about that reputation is "better" than Witness (though it is), it's just that most Taylor tracks (on her pop albums) try to accomplish something different and differentiate from each other than Katy Perry's tend to. (Not like Taylor is immune --- U R In Love and This Love are still samey-snoozefests).
Act My Age feels like the most authentic thing to come from the Witness era (plus it's a jam!) -- and it's a damn bonus track.
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Post by wjr15 on Jan 24, 2018 2:00:56 GMT -5
Katy built her brand and career off of fun, catchy dance pop songs while Taylor built her brand and career off of more personal songs with a storyline. And it’s pretty obvious that when either artist tries to drift away from their brand, it backfires. (e.g. Witness and Reputation)
Obviously you prefer Reputation over Prism because you’re a diehard Swiftie. It’s really comes down to personal taste and since music is subjective, saying one album is better than the other is 100% an opinion and it might be best to just leave it at that.
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Post by spaceykSVP1999 on Jan 24, 2018 3:01:26 GMT -5
I like International Smile. It's cute and fun. This Is How We Do is a joke, but a semi-enjoyable joke. But even though the second half of Prism is often regarded as forgettable and filler (and lord knows I don't disagree), to me, IS and TIHWD are even better examples of filler: They're fun, but they just don't accomplish anything that other tracks on the album don't accomplish better. Certainly with TIHWD, there's so many other cheeky corny songs she had done (it was her damn brand), what was the point of This Is How We Do? It's just a wasted track, when it could've been replaced by something more interesting, more unique. That's how Katy ends up as a singles artist, who bombs if the singles don't hit it big, and Taylor sells albums. It's not about that reputation is "better" than Witness (though it is), it's just that most Taylor tracks (on her pop albums) try to accomplish something different and differentiate from each other than Katy Perry's tend to. (Not like Taylor is immune --- U R In Love and This Love are still samey-snoozefests). Act My Age feels like the most authentic thing to come from the Witness era (plus it's a jam!) -- and it's a damn bonus track. Girl, that song is just the worst. Don't you come for her lyrics and themes when Taylor is writing a song about her reputation again and yet another fairy tale romance with a chorus that goes: Is it cool that I said all that Is it too soon to do this yet? 'Cause I know that it's delicate Isn't it? Isn't it? Isn't it? Isn't it? Isn't it? Isn't it? Isn't it? Isn't it?Del i cate Those "genius" pen game, smart lyrical themes talking points are no longer a card you have to play. She writes there songs: songs about herself, songs about obsessing over a boy, and songs in which she plays the victim after she's dumped.
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Post by JJ on Jan 24, 2018 7:17:33 GMT -5
I like International Smile. It's cute and fun. This Is How We Do is a joke, but a semi-enjoyable joke. But even though the second half of Prism is often regarded as forgettable and filler (and lord knows I don't disagree), to me, IS and TIHWD are even better examples of filler: They're fun, but they just don't accomplish anything that other tracks on the album don't accomplish better. Certainly with TIHWD, there's so many other cheeky corny songs she had done (it was her damn brand), what was the point of This Is How We Do? It's just a wasted track, when it could've been replaced by something more interesting, more unique. That's how Katy ends up as a singles artist, who bombs if the singles don't hit it big, and Taylor sells albums. It's not about that reputation is "better" than Witness (though it is), it's just that most Taylor tracks (on her pop albums) try to accomplish something different and differentiate from each other than Katy Perry's tend to. (Not like Taylor is immune --- U R In Love and This Love are still samey-snoozefests). Act My Age feels like the most authentic thing to come from the Witness era (plus it's a jam!) -- and it's a damn bonus track. Girl, that song is just the worst. Don't you come for her lyrics and themes when Taylor is writing a song about her reputation again and yet another fairy tale romance with a chorus that goes: Is it cool that I said all that Is it too soon to do this yet? 'Cause I know that it's delicate Isn't it? Isn't it? Isn't it? Isn't it? Isn't it? Isn't it? Isn't it? Isn't it?Del i cate Those "genius" pen game, smart lyrical themes talking points are no longer a card you have to play. She writes there songs: songs about herself, songs about obsessing over a boy, and songs in which she plays the victim after she's dumped. What u talking about? Delicate's chorus is very well written, both lyrically and melodically.
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Post by theflying on Jan 24, 2018 8:05:57 GMT -5
Good morning sexism!
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Post by deepston on Jan 24, 2018 11:34:18 GMT -5
People in pulse really have trouble understanding you can say something good about an artist without bashing other artist.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 11:52:33 GMT -5
The truth is not sexist; putting aside her Hunger Games tracks, Taylor's subject matter is limited (so limited in fact that reputation is actually an expansion to make room for 'herself'). The context within which Taylor's critics choose to bring up that truth might be (too many examples to list), but that doesn't apply here - it was only mentioned after YOU came in with immediate direct comparisons between Katy and Taylor to make a point that didn't need comparison to get it across. (How badly did it kill you to make that one buffer post beforehand to make it look as if you were genuinely adding to the conversation?) The limitations mentioned are the one thing you can't throw back at Katy - her attempt to branch out of her norm may not have worked out for her, but at least an attempt was made. Of course, it's well within Taylor's right to sing about as many or as few things as she wants. But curling up into default 'criticism is sexist!' ball, and holding yourself out as the morally superior one when someone else points out Taylor's own flaws in response to the branch of conversation that YOU started is unnecessary and frankly, full of shit. If you weren't already known to take your opinions so seriously I'd swear you were baiting. The quality of Taylor's writing took an overall hit as soon as she fully committed herself to pop so subject matter is rather a moot point anyway. Delicate is as clever as Into Me You See. (I hate both.) The only thing she has to lord over Katy is success, but frankly in the pop world that is more than enough. There is no need to embellish on victory.
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Post by JJ on Jan 24, 2018 12:16:45 GMT -5
It IS sexist because you would never say that about Drake for example. Plus, Taylor has plenty of songs outside that box you put her into. Go study.
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Post by dbhmr on Jan 24, 2018 12:42:39 GMT -5
(How badly did it kill you to make that one buffer post beforehand to make it look as if you were genuinely adding to the conversation? Agree with every word of your post but especially you nailing that transparent bullshit to the wall.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jan 24, 2018 13:59:53 GMT -5
It IS sexist because you would never say that about Drake for example. This is absolutely not true. When Views dropped, there was plenty of criticism about Drake being redundant and exploring the exact same topics as before to less effect.
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Post by theflying on Jan 24, 2018 15:09:35 GMT -5
Reducing Taylor Swift’s ten year career to her only singing about boys and being dumped is sexist. Taylor sings about her life and experiences and the things that move her like literally any artist ever.
It’s fine. Comments like that get dropped all the time. It’s not meant to be some personal attack. We don’t need to have a ten page discussion about it. Let’s just acknowledge it, not be defensive about it, and move on. There’s plenty of other angles to discuss all this stuff under.
When you bash a female artist under sexist terms, it hurts all of them, including Katy herself. There’s a million ways to attack these famous people, so let’s do one of those, alright?
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Post by dbhmr on Jan 24, 2018 15:27:22 GMT -5
When you bash a female artist under sexist terms, it hurts all of them, including Katy herself. There’s a million ways to attack these famous people, so let’s do one of those, alright? This is laughable coming from you. If highlighting three common themes to Taylor's pop songwriting is sexist, how would you describe pitting two female singers against each other for no specific reason, as you have with your latest series of posts here?
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Post by Glove Slap on Jan 24, 2018 15:28:10 GMT -5
2 dates added in South Africa. July 18 and 20.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 15:36:19 GMT -5
I just feel like "Katy Perry" was a thing that did really well for Katheryn Hudson. There was a lot going on - it took a village, and it worked exceedingly well, and it was glorious. But now we're seeing less Katy and more Katheryn and things have changed as a result. She's still trying to use the Katy persona but it's just not working with the material and it's just falling flat and seems awkward.
I don't know what the future holds for her in the pop world - maybe Witness was just an awkward transition. Or maybe it was just a misfire. Or maybe people have moved on.
Absolutely perched to see what becomes of Idol and if it gets a large audience, and, more specificalliy, how she is received.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 15:51:38 GMT -5
To return things to a lighter conversation I can't be the only one who actually for some reason likes Peacock riiiiiight? :kii:
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Post by toomuchboy on Jan 24, 2018 15:55:59 GMT -5
Reducing Taylor Swift’s ten year career to her only singing about boys and being dumped is sexist. She writes there songs: songs about herself, songs about obsessing over a boy, and songs in which she plays the victim after she's dumped. Huh?
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Post by theflying on Jan 24, 2018 17:31:40 GMT -5
When you bash a female artist under sexist terms, it hurts all of them, including Katy herself. There’s a million ways to attack these famous people, so let’s do one of those, alright? This is laughable coming from you. If highlighting three common themes to Taylor's pop songwriting is sexist, how would you describe pitting two female singers against each other for no specific reason, as you have with your latest series of posts here? There’s really no need to pretend you don’t know the differences. I like Katy Perry. I own her albums. We were talking about two of the major pop forces releasing albums this year, both campaigns having successive songs after their lead struggling, yet have produced very different album results. How a current album performs can have a lot to do with what happened with the prior album: that’s why we were talking about Prism. And that’s why, even though it invites controversy, considering the most common complaint about LWYMMD is “no one likes that song” and the successive songs haven’t lit up the charts, Taylor still has had massive album sales. That’s how we got here. It’s not “for no specific reason”. It was quite a specific reason. Comparing Taylor Swift’s and Katy’s Perry’s album sales and the reasons for them is not sexist, lol. Use your smarts. I’m not gonna say more on this. I’m calling the comment as I see it, which is the only way any kind of that stuff dies down. You want to keep acting like it’s more important to score an invisible point in a discussion so someone’s just gonna call out fake sexism —— instead of it actually being a sexist sentiment —— by all means, keep being an obstacle. It’s not gonna change what certain sentiments plainly are. I’m not sure why people are so insistent about dying on a hill about it.
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Post by spaceykSVP1999 on Jan 24, 2018 17:55:05 GMT -5
Anyway. She looked like more like her old self the other day presenting Minnie with her Hollywood star.
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Post by Caviar on Jan 24, 2018 18:05:22 GMT -5
Ohhh but her hair is still short!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 18:52:26 GMT -5
Katy looks really cute in that outfit. I really couldn't care less about her hair length, but I think it would look really striking if it were brunette.
Some of you may know that I'm a total astrology freak. A week or so ago I happened to stumble upon Katy's birth chart in a celebrity astro data bank, and I was really shocked. I didn't realize she had so much Scorpio! And she is completely lacking in air. It caught me off guard because I've always been rather iffy about her, but I never would have labeled her 'intense,' which is what typically comes to mind when I think of that sign. In fact I would often forget that she is a Scorpio and not a Libra. I normally don't look at celebrity charts past a quick glance unless I'm doing 'mystery chart' exercises, but hers is highly interesting IMO.
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Post by wjr15 on Jan 24, 2018 19:54:00 GMT -5
Anyways...
I wonder if Katy is gonna take advantage of her spot on Idol to promote something. Even if it’s not a new single from Witness or future album, a collaboration would work great too. I really enjoyed Feels and I’d love for us to get another collaboration this year. Maybe with Zedd or The Chainsmokers?
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jan 24, 2018 19:57:55 GMT -5
Yea I wouldn’t mind a generic Selena Gomez type of EDM track, as long as it had a great hook, at least to tide us over. I don’t need another whole new album. Just one good radio hit will do.
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Jan 24, 2018 21:00:21 GMT -5
I feel she should do a collab with one of those artists. Even if it would be "generic", it would most likely smash. There's nothing wrong with doing one of those songs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 21:15:49 GMT -5
Honestly no thanks to the EDM basic pop idea I'd rather take another song in the vein of the 3 singles off Witness over that
Only dance related songs I want from KP, are those like Walking On Air
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jan 24, 2018 22:17:47 GMT -5
I love that Feels was a UK #1.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Jan 25, 2018 8:08:39 GMT -5
Since we're on the topic of Katy's career decline, I should just add that it's always felt very natural to me. Pop is incredibly fickle and huge artists come and then fade out fairly quickly once people are done with them all the time. Maybe, just maybe, Katy's time is up. For every Madonna or Janet, there's a dozen Cyndi's or Jody's or Olivia's and Paula's. For every Michael Jackson or Prince, there's a dozen George Michael's. Not to say that these artists didn't have continued success by some measure, whether it be internationally or through different forms of media, but I don't think Katy was ever destined to be a long-term artist, she's just not that girl. So her decline has always been in the cards IMO and I don't think she'll ever be huge again.
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Post by Dammn Baby on Jan 25, 2018 8:21:00 GMT -5
Since we're on the topic of Katy's career decline, I should just add that it's always felt very natural to me. Pop is incredibly fickle and huge artists come and then fade out fairly quickly once people are done with them all the time. Maybe, just maybe, Katy's time is up. For every Madonna or Janet, there's a dozen Cyndi's or Jody's or Olivia's and Paula's. For every Michael Jackson or Prince, there's a dozen George Michael's. Not to say that these artists didn't have continued success by some measure, whether it be internationally or through different forms of media, but I don't think Katy was ever destined to be a long-term artist, she's just not that girl. So her decline has always been in the cards IMO and I don't think she'll ever be huge again. I agree. She made it very far with the talent that she has.
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Post by Caviar on Jan 25, 2018 9:28:16 GMT -5
I can't believe people are writing Katy off. You don't sell millions of albums and score 9 #1 singles (5 of which was from ONE album), headline the highest rated halftime show, and disappear. People need to realize every pop star has a decline period and what separates a legend from an icon is the ability to bounce back. It's far too early to write her off based on 1 album cycle. She's achieved more than any pop star her generation and her core fans still show up for her.
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