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Post by redrooster on Jul 2, 2015 14:55:06 GMT -5
I'd disagree there. Some acts who technically only have one Hot 100 hit, and are technically 'one-hit-wonders' avoid being called that for various reasons while others can have two Top 10 hits on the Hot 100 but only be remembered for one. The term is applied too technically here on Pulse (and probably Billboard) when it's applied on acts by the popular who decides what songs get remembered in the long run. If enough people agree that so-and-so is a one-hit-wonder, whether technically correct or not, it doesn't really matter. That's why Carly Rae is known as a one-hit-wonder. It's why acts like Jesus Jones, PSY, Donna Lewis and Natalie Imbruglia are as well, but nobody would ever call Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd that. It's funny you mention Natalie Imbruglia because from a technical standpoint, she is a one-hit wonder in that her so-called biggest hit "Torn" was a No. 1 hit on Billboard's airplay chart. However, it was her follow-up single "Wishing I Was There" which made the Top 40 of the Hot 100, since it was late 1998, and Billboard finally caught up with the times and included airplay-only songs due to the success of other airplay-only songs that were Hot 100 ineligible ("Don't Speak", "Fly", "3am", "One Headlight", and "The Way" being the most notable). "Torn" did barely miss the Top 40 but again, by the time the rules had changed, "Wishing I Was There" was moving up in the charts and "Torn" was going down. That reminds me of Sisqo. People call him a one hit wonder for "Thong Song" but that song peaked at #3 while his follow-up song "Incomplete" made it to #1.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 2, 2015 14:56:48 GMT -5
I'd disagree there. Some acts who technically only have one Hot 100 hit, and are technically 'one-hit-wonders' avoid being called that for various reasons while others can have two Top 10 hits on the Hot 100 but only be remembered for one. The term is applied too technically here on Pulse (and probably Billboard) when it's applied on acts by the popular who decides what songs get remembered in the long run. If enough people agree that so-and-so is a one-hit-wonder, whether technically correct or not, it doesn't really matter. That's why Carly Rae is known as a one-hit-wonder. It's why acts like Jesus Jones, PSY, Donna Lewis and Natalie Imbruglia are as well, but nobody would ever call Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd that. I never called Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd one hit wonders and they both have more than one hit. Altho arguably if Carly is a one hit wonder so is Pink Floyd because they both have just two top 40 hits (unless you count IRLY randomly jumping to #39 that one week); one that went to #1 and then Carly's second hit charted higher than Pink Floyd's. Like I said, all those people calling Carly a one hit wonder doesn't make her one. It makes those people wrong. I never said you or anyone did. My point was that basing the title of 'one-hit-wonder' on just the Hot 100 results in more exceptions than not. I don't think arguing against those who call someone like Carly Rae Jepsen (or Natalie Imbruglia, or whoever) is really worth it because it's a term that is based more on the collective memories of the general population rather than charts. Most people remember Carly for just that one song, and unless she gets another hit big enough to make her otherwise, she's going to be considered a one-hit-wonder.
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Post by redrooster on Jul 2, 2015 16:53:48 GMT -5
I never called Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd one hit wonders and they both have more than one hit. Altho arguably if Carly is a one hit wonder so is Pink Floyd because they both have just two top 40 hits (unless you count IRLY randomly jumping to #39 that one week); one that went to #1 and then Carly's second hit charted higher than Pink Floyd's. Like I said, all those people calling Carly a one hit wonder doesn't make her one. It makes those people wrong. I never said you or anyone did. My point was that basing the title of 'one-hit-wonder' on just the Hot 100 results in more exceptions than not. I don't think arguing against those who call someone like Carly Rae Jepsen (or Natalie Imbruglia, or whoever) is really worth it because it's a term that is based more on the collective memories of the general population rather than charts. Most people remember Carly for just that one song, and unless she gets another hit big enough to make her otherwise, she's going to be considered a one-hit-wonder. I remember her for Good Time. And we'd be lying if we said I Really Like You went ignored and wasn't well received.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 3:13:59 GMT -5
I never said you or anyone did. My point was that basing the title of 'one-hit-wonder' on just the Hot 100 results in more exceptions than not. I don't think arguing against those who call someone like Carly Rae Jepsen (or Natalie Imbruglia, or whoever) is really worth it because it's a term that is based more on the collective memories of the general population rather than charts. Most people remember Carly for just that one song, and unless she gets another hit big enough to make her otherwise, she's going to be considered a one-hit-wonder. I remember her for Good Time. And we'd be lying if we said I Really Like You went ignored and wasn't well received. It peaked at #39 on the Hot 100 and has since not yet made it back into the top 50. It only made it to the top 30 on CHR. It is uncertified. Its initial callout scores on Mediabase were so atrocious that it actually had a net negative score instead of a net positive; it managed to work its way to a 26% net positive in a few weeks, which was a huge leap for such a short amount of time, but that still meant it ranked at the bottom of current songs on pop (a high net positive on pop will be in the 40% and up range). For the few weeks that it was showing up only Pretty Girls was doing worse and now the song isn't showing up at all, so I'm guessing it got purged last week. I think it is safe to say the song has been ignored and not well-received. I'm not saying I am happy about all these things - I like the song and thought it was destined to be a top 10 hit for her - but numbers don't lie and you shouldn't lie to yourself about them. Also, your memory =/= everyone else's memory. Yeah, that's why I didn't say she was a one hit wonder. She isn't, but she does carry the stigma and your post basically explains why. If you can be featured on a top five hit and people don't even bother to credit it to you, then you haven't overcome it. Good time actually peaked at #8 and Carly was a lead artist on that song. This is a bit nitpicky on my part, but originally Good Time was Owl City feat. Carly, and was Owl City's lead single. Carly didn't even have a co-write on the song, and Carly has written every track she's released except for one from Kiss. When the song started taking off, the two started getting equal billing (though Carly's name continued to be listed second) and Carly's label tacked Good Time on to her album, but it was obvious this was kind of a rushed and half-assed attempt to capitalize on the song's success. I remember all this b/c when her album came out a few weeks later to low numbers, I opined that she was still selling almost purely on the strength of CMM; the label didn't really do a great job of making the public aware of Carly's presence on Good Time. she and Owl City performed in a few places but no really high-profile events, so I think to many people the song was a faceless hit. I'm looking at the wiki page for GT right now...I didn't realize there was a lawsuit over the song later that year. It was finally dropped in June 2014, but Carly and Owl City both put some money in escrow for the plaintiff's benefit until everything was settled. So there may actually be a decent reason why Carly herself doesn't acknowledge the song as a second hit - too much pain in the ass for a song that ultimately didn't help sell her album as it should have, and that she didn't even write. I said this in the "I Really Like You" post, but to sum it up, she needs to distance herself from Bieber (professionally, not necessarily personally). That caused her to be typecast as a teenybopper artist, which also cost her the opportunity to develop a male fanbase in turn. These days, for a female pop artist to be successful, they should be able to attract a decent-sized male audience (read Beyoncé, Katy, Rihanna, and Taylor). *gay male fanbase Other than possibly Rihanna I don't think any of these women have a notable straight male audience to be honest. Men may think they're hot and put them at the top of Maxim or FHM lists, but they're not about to walk into Best Buy and buy Prism for the whole world can see. Or look at Ariana, who like Carly is managed by Scooter and has a Justin connection/teenybopper label that I'm sure she is trying to distance herself from. I'm pretty sure Ari's straight male audience is almost nonexistent right now, but she is doing well enough. That said, I have always believed that every diva must have a gay following if she wants to be big. I don't think Carly has that...I don't know why that just occurred to me.
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Post by redrooster on Jul 3, 2015 3:30:23 GMT -5
I remember her for Good Time. And we'd be lying if we said I Really Like You went ignored and wasn't well received. It peaked at #39 on the Hot 100 and has since not yet made it back into the top 50. It only made it to the top 30 on CHR. It is uncertified. Its initial callout scores on Mediabase were so atrocious that it actually had a net negative score instead of a net positive; it managed to work its way to a 26% net positive in a few weeks, which was a huge leap for such a short amount of time, but that still meant it ranked at the bottom of current songs on pop (a high net positive on pop will be in the 40% and up range). For the few weeks that it was showing up only Pretty Girls was doing worse and now the song isn't showing up at all, so I'm guessing it got purged last week. I think it is safe to say the song has been ignored and not well-received. I'm not saying I am happy about all these things - I like the song and thought it was destined to be a top 10 hit for her - but numbers don't lie and you shouldn't lie to yourself about them. Also, your memory =/= everyone else's memory. Good time actually peaked at #8 and Carly was a lead artist on that song. This is a bit nitpicky on my part, but originally Good Time was Owl City feat. Carly, and was Owl City's lead single. Carly didn't even have a co-write on the song, and Carly has written every track she's released except for one from Kiss. When the song started taking off, the two started getting equal billing (though Carly's name continued to be listed second) and Carly's label tacked Good Time on to her album, but it was obvious this was kind of a rushed and half-assed attempt to capitalize on the song's success. I remember all this b/c when her album came out a few weeks later to low numbers, I opined that she was still selling almost purely on the strength of CMM; the label didn't really do a great job of making the public aware of Carly's presence on Good Time. she and Owl City performed in a few places but no really high-profile events, so I think to many people the song was a faceless hit. I'm looking at the wiki page for GT right now...I didn't realize there was a lawsuit over the song later that year. It was finally dropped in June 2014, but Carly and Owl City both put some money in escrow for the plaintiff's benefit until everything was settled. So there may actually be a decent reason why Carly herself doesn't acknowledge the song as a second hit - too much pain in the ass for a song that ultimately didn't help sell her album as it should have, and that she didn't even write. I said this in the "I Really Like You" post, but to sum it up, she needs to distance herself from Bieber (professionally, not necessarily personally). That caused her to be typecast as a teenybopper artist, which also cost her the opportunity to develop a male fanbase in turn. These days, for a female pop artist to be successful, they should be able to attract a decent-sized male audience (read Beyoncé, Katy, Rihanna, and Taylor). *gay male fanbase Other than possibly Rihanna I don't think any of these women have a notable straight male audience to be honest. Men may think they're hot and put them at the top of Maxim or FHM lists, but they're not about to walk into Best Buy and buy Prism for the whole world can see. Or look at Ariana, who like Carly is managed by Scooter and has a Justin connection/teenybopper label that I'm sure she is trying to distance herself from. I'm pretty sure Ari's straight male audience is almost nonexistent right now, but she is doing well enough. That said, I have always believed that every diva must have a gay following if she wants to be big. I don't think Carly has that...I don't know why that just occurred to me. But Carly was credited on Good Time. And if we're being honest people were only listening to the song for her. Owl City could never have charted on his own back then or now. And it's not like Carly only had 15 seconds like M.I.A.'s turn on Give Me All Ur Luvin'. She actually sang a fair enough amount of it. And feel free to disagree with me on this but I think her vocals were way stronger on the song and seem to override Adam's during the chorus.
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Post by redrooster on Jul 5, 2015 13:12:39 GMT -5
I remember her for Good Time. And we'd be lying if we said I Really Like You went ignored and wasn't well received. It peaked at #39 on the Hot 100 and has since not yet made it back into the top 50. It only made it to the top 30 on CHR. It is uncertified. Its initial callout scores on Mediabase were so atrocious that it actually had a net negative score instead of a net positive; it managed to work its way to a 26% net positive in a few weeks, which was a huge leap for such a short amount of time, but that still meant it ranked at the bottom of current songs on pop (a high net positive on pop will be in the 40% and up range). For the few weeks that it was showing up only Pretty Girls was doing worse and now the song isn't showing up at all, so I'm guessing it got purged last week. I think it is safe to say the song has been ignored and not well-received. I'm not saying I am happy about all these things - I like the song and thought it was destined to be a top 10 hit for her - but numbers don't lie and you shouldn't lie to yourself about them. Also, your memory =/= everyone else's memory. Good time actually peaked at #8 and Carly was a lead artist on that song. This is a bit nitpicky on my part, but originally Good Time was Owl City feat. Carly, and was Owl City's lead single. Carly didn't even have a co-write on the song, and Carly has written every track she's released except for one from Kiss. When the song started taking off, the two started getting equal billing (though Carly's name continued to be listed second) and Carly's label tacked Good Time on to her album, but it was obvious this was kind of a rushed and half-assed attempt to capitalize on the song's success. I remember all this b/c when her album came out a few weeks later to low numbers, I opined that she was still selling almost purely on the strength of CMM; the label didn't really do a great job of making the public aware of Carly's presence on Good Time. she and Owl City performed in a few places but no really high-profile events, so I think to many people the song was a faceless hit. I'm looking at the wiki page for GT right now...I didn't realize there was a lawsuit over the song later that year. It was finally dropped in June 2014, but Carly and Owl City both put some money in escrow for the plaintiff's benefit until everything was settled. So there may actually be a decent reason why Carly herself doesn't acknowledge the song as a second hit - too much pain in the ass for a song that ultimately didn't help sell her album as it should have, and that she didn't even write. I said this in the "I Really Like You" post, but to sum it up, she needs to distance herself from Bieber (professionally, not necessarily personally). That caused her to be typecast as a teenybopper artist, which also cost her the opportunity to develop a male fanbase in turn. These days, for a female pop artist to be successful, they should be able to attract a decent-sized male audience (read Beyoncé, Katy, Rihanna, and Taylor). *gay male fanbase Other than possibly Rihanna I don't think any of these women have a notable straight male audience to be honest. Men may think they're hot and put them at the top of Maxim or FHM lists, but they're not about to walk into Best Buy and buy Prism for the whole world can see. Or look at Ariana, who like Carly is managed by Scooter and has a Justin connection/teenybopper label that I'm sure she is trying to distance herself from. I'm pretty sure Ari's straight male audience is almost nonexistent right now, but she is doing well enough. That said, I have always believed that every diva must have a gay following if she wants to be big. I don't think Carly has that...I don't know why that just occurred to me. And no, it doesn't matter that Owl City's name is listed before Carly's in the billing. Like with Lady Marmalade by Christina Aguilera, Lil Kim, Mya and P!nk, no one says that the song is just Christina's hit just because her name is listed first. They all received equal credit and, deservedly, people count that song as a hit for all four.
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Post by redrooster on Aug 6, 2015 23:27:11 GMT -5
She doesn't have a gimmick (i.e, New Zealand teenage indie-pop singer, Aussie-American white female rapper, Nick star turned Mariah-esque R&B/pop star, rotund female doo-woop throwback singer, Swedish synth-pop singer) that will be able to leave audiences wanting more of their music. Ooh ooh!!! I bet I can guess the artists (Lorde, Iggy Azalea, Ariana Grande, Meghan Trainor, Tove Lo) Did I get it right? :) Anyways... I see Carly as a one hit wonder with a few minor hits. I really felt like "I Really Like You" was gonna be her huge comeback but now I'm not too sure about her future. I hope I'm wrong cause I'm a fan of her music. So if she's such a one hit wonder how come Good Time smashed up the charts 3 summers ago?
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Post by redrooster on Aug 7, 2015 0:10:47 GMT -5
Here's another thing I noticed. Carly and Lorde basically have the same chart success. They both have one 9-week #1 smash hit, a followup single that made the top 10 and spent at least 20 weeks in the top 40, a third single that spent one week in the top 40 due to promotion by someone else (and Carly's managed to stay on the Hot 100 for the full 20 weeks while Lorde's fell off after 9) and two other singles each that spent a few weeks in the Hot 100's lower reaches. Yet the general consensus appears to be that Carly is a one hit wonder and Lorde is an established artist. Why do you think that is?
For the record I see both of them as two hit wonders.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 0:22:46 GMT -5
Yet the general consensus appears to be that Carly is a one hit wonder and Lorde is an established artist. Why do you think that is? Lorde's Pure Heroine tour sold out so quickly that she scheduled extra dates for many cities. Carly's Kiss tour, while playing theaters about the same size, had people reselling tickets for a quarter of the original price days before the concerts.
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Post by Glove Slap on Aug 7, 2015 0:28:12 GMT -5
Lorde also had a strong selling album (especially for a debut), Grammy Love, positive critical reactions from the right places*, and cultivated a celebrity profile and persona. Her team has also relentlessly sold her as a "mature" act despite her being a teenager, essentially the opposite of what happened with Carly. *There was a post that @antigonerising did ( in her album thread I believe nm, it's on the previous page ) where she said that when the indie/alt/#dontudarecallusmainstream blogs jumped on her and started praising her, that was a sign that there was no real faith or expectation of her as a mainstream force, which is a correct assessment. Publications like that will champion her over more successful pop acts because unlike them, she doesn't represent a threat.
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Post by redrooster on Aug 7, 2015 17:38:55 GMT -5
Lorde also had a strong selling album (especially for a debut), Grammy Love, positive critical reactions from the right places*, and cultivated a celebrity profile and persona. Her team has also relentlessly sold her as a "mature" act despite her being a teenager, essentially the opposite of what happened with Carly. Albums are irrelevant when determining if an artist is a one (or two in Lorde's case) hit wonder. The fact that she won a Grammy doesn't change anything either, especially because she won it for her main hit.
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Post by redrooster on Aug 16, 2015 1:49:21 GMT -5
And finally, to the wayward, snot-picking rugrats who say that the only way Carly can stop being a one hit wonder is if she has another song that is as big as Call Me Maybe. By that logic, Taylor Swift is a no hit wonder because no song she has ever put out was as big as Call Me Maybe.
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Post by Glove Slap on Aug 16, 2015 3:05:07 GMT -5
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Post by lyhom on Aug 16, 2015 8:03:18 GMT -5
And finally, to the wayward, snot-picking rugrats who say that the only way Carly can stop being a one hit wonder is if she has another song that is as big as Call Me Maybe. By that logic, Taylor Swift is a no hit wonder because no song she has ever put out was as big as Call Me Maybe.
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