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Post by countrygirl918 on Oct 25, 2015 12:41:05 GMT -5
Yikes. I used to be a fan of TBP. Now, I'm embarrassed to admit that. I mean, if you're going to make pop music for country radio, at least make sure it's good pop music.
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Post by kml567 on Oct 25, 2015 14:11:17 GMT -5
Lesson learned is that you need to make QUALITY pop-country music like Thomas Rhett and Sam Hunt for this to do well on country radio.
Horrible/poorly-written pop songs from The Band Perry, Eli Young Band and Danielle Bradbery are the root cause of why those songs are flopping. The quality work from Sam & Thomas are dominating iTunes and getting deserving #1s.
I applaud country radio for making the distinction and only rewarding the good stuff.
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Post by md1340 on Oct 25, 2015 14:13:35 GMT -5
Whatever anyone thinks of their new music, good or bad, fame and fortune has not gone to their heads. Not the kind of people they are. I'm sure TBP fully understands the risks involved in a change of musical direction.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 14:28:25 GMT -5
Lesson learned is that you need to make QUALITY pop-country music like Thomas Rhett and Sam Hunt for this to do well on country radio. Horrible/poorly-written pop songs from The Band Perry, Eli Young Band and Danielle Bradbery are the root cause of why those songs are flopping. The quality work from Sam & Thomas are dominating iTunes and getting deserving #1s. I applaud country radio for making the distinction and only rewarding the good stuff. I have to disagree with this. Country radio hasn't been about quality in quite some time. The difference between why songs from the acts you mentioned flopped is because in every instance, those songs were HUGE departures from what all of their signature sounds were, meaning that there really wasn't audience for their new sounds since they had pretty much abandoned their core fanbase. They essentially cashed in on this Pop/R&B trend way too late. I understand how this feels since my favorite artist, Gary Allan released a song this year that was well....not his best, and was sort of a sellout move. I'm his core fanbase and I was turned off by the new sound. I'm sure others were too which is most likely why it became his first song to miss the forty in a LONG time, despite being his most friendly thing ever. Sam Hunt came busting out of the gate with his Pop sound and started this new god-awful trend we have. Thomas Rhett's debut album was chock full of bro-country since it was released in 2013, which was the quintessential year for that stuff. Don't get me wrong, I realize it's still hanging around, but 2013 was the year it was "king" Anyway, what separates Rhett from the failed acts is that he knew the right time to follow the next trend. I don't like his music at all, but he certainly wasn't an idiot for releasing "Crash & Burn". He followed one trend, why not cash in on another? I realize what I've said is highly debatable, but that is my take on the matter. Radio success has nothing to do with quality these days. I'm not saying Sam and Thomas don't make quality music. I mean I certainly have my answer to that, but I'm not trying to prove why they aren't good, just that their quality isn't really the No. 1 thing that's gotten them success thus far.
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Post by someguy on Oct 25, 2015 19:34:57 GMT -5
I'm surprised that this is bombing as hard as it is. It's too bad, because I do like it and think that they are really talented, but I don't see this new music as being authentically 'them'. When I saw them live a couple of months ago (and they were really good), they seemed much more at home doing stuff like "Gentle On My Mind" than this and "SexyBack". I hope they aren't making a big mistake with this new direction their music is taking.
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Post by missbehaving on Oct 27, 2015 14:13:06 GMT -5
It's oficially out of the top 30 now.. don't know who still thinks this hasn't peaked yet, it's losing audience and spins. I don't even think they're going to perform at the CMAs this year. It's done and they probably won't waste much more time promoting it.
Even though the song is what it is, it's still crazy that a new single from TBP's new album has peaked at #27. I thought they were established enough and relevant enough to garantee top 10. Guess I really overestimated their star power.
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Post by Marv on Oct 27, 2015 15:19:32 GMT -5
Sam Hunt has zero business being on country radio, and 'quality' is the last word I'd ever use to describe his music.
At least TBP has shown in the past that they can make quality music; look no farther than their previous CD.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 27, 2015 15:28:05 GMT -5
It's oficially out of the top 30 now.. don't know who still thinks this hasn't peaked yet, it's losing audience and spins. I don't even think they're going to perform at the CMAs this year. It's done and they probably won't waste much more time promoting it. Even though the song is what it is, it's still crazy that a new single from TBP's new album has peaked at #27. I thought they were established enough and relevant enough to garantee top 10. Guess I really overestimated their star power. I think the people who didn't think this was done a couple days ago, have realized that this one is done by today. "Live Forever" is in free-fall mode as its lost 360 spins and nearly 2.0 million in audience over the past four days. In terms of CMA performances, usually the plans for what songs to sing are done weeks in advance, so if they were to perform and scheduled to perform "Live Forever", I doubt anything would change that. Ideally, Republic would have liked this one to be in the top 10 or at least close to it by now, but radio didn't buy in to the lead single. They'll likely release a new single next month but I seriously doubt that one will do much better if it is indeed that "In It Together" mess.
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Post by jesster on Oct 27, 2015 17:50:41 GMT -5
I was not that happy with this song or some of the choices with it.
But have to say I am sorry it did not at least get to #20 or so. TBP brings something unique to the scene and I'd hate to see this album era really tank. I hope they have some more country or country-pop material on the album to draw from for a follow-on single.
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Post by mep on Nov 2, 2015 20:47:06 GMT -5
Maybe I'm confused by the recurrent rules, but shouldn't this song have stayed on the BB chart for one more week? I thought White Lightning should stay too, unless it's audience tanked enough to drop it below #60.
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Post by straitouttanashville on Nov 3, 2015 2:15:14 GMT -5
Sam Hunt has zero business being on country radio, and 'quality' is the last word I'd ever use to describe his music. At least TBP has shown in the past that they can make quality music; look no farther than their previous CD. I agree!! I didnt like this Band Perry song at all, no matter the genre. Its not a country song at all, ts a Pop song at best. The thing that blows my mind is that TBP is an established artist and this is the perfect song for "Country Radio" in 2015. I thought this would be a number 1 in 15 to 20 weeks for sure. When I first heard this song on GMA I rolled my eyes and thought welp there is another #1 Pop song on "Country Radio". It is great news though, maybe the radio might start playing country music again soon. One can dream. As far as TBP if this song was a huge hit who knows where they would have gone from there. They were one of the closest things we all had to country music on the radio until this song choice. Maybe this pushes TBP back to Banjo's, Fiddles and Steel Guitars. I for one hope so.
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Post by missbehaving on Nov 4, 2015 15:28:16 GMT -5
So they changed the album release to early 2016...
but before you celebrate thinking they're reworking on a country sound, the rumor mill says it's because they're working on new music with no other than... NICKI MINAJ!!
Yay! We all know only good, quality and obviously country music can come out of that.
They're determined to crossover to pop... at any costs. I think they really don't want to (just) stay in country and want to make the full transition without losing all the goods of being in the country cloud. But if this new collab is a hit I'm sure they would trade genres with no problems. They're THAT desperate. It's embarrassing. I'm not a fan of these guys anymore, they have absolutely no integrity or artistry left. Disappointment!
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Post by StrongerThanTheTruth on Nov 4, 2015 22:18:32 GMT -5
I never got into this song and really don't care for it. I was a huge fan of theirs. Pioneer was a decent album but I loved that sound on the first album. I don't even know if I'll buy the new album. I'll probably judge it off the samples and go from there.
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Post by Zazie on Nov 4, 2015 22:45:36 GMT -5
Maybe I'm confused by the recurrent rules, but shouldn't this song have stayed on the BB chart for one more week? I thought White Lightning should stay too, unless it's audience tanked enough to drop it below #60. Welcome to the board, and I don't think you're confused. It would have been easy for Lightning to drop off by falling below the audience posted by the #60 song. The bottom of the 60-position chart has rarely if ever been as high as it has been during the last couple of months, and Lightning would have been capable of losing a bit more than a million impressions this last week. Band Perry would have been harder to fit into the same category -- losing 6 mill out of an audience total of 7 mill would have been hard to forecast, but their song was on pace to lose about 5 million. So it could have just translated really badly from MB to BB and fallen off the chart, in a somewhat unlikely move. On the other hand, considering that Billboard did not follow its own rules and pull the Chesney song this week based on falling out of the top 10 in spins, it seems just as reasonable to put the Band Perry disappearance down to Billboard ignoring trivia like "chart rules" and just going off the deep end. Either way, your chart knowledge is not the problem here. What do you think they're going to do next week with the Luke Bryan song that's on the way down? It will fall out of the top 10 in audience in its third consecutive bulletless week -- they should pull it. But I'm not at all confident they will. I think the real problem is that some intern is deciding which songs do and don't leave the chart.
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Post by McCreerian on Nov 5, 2015 21:48:39 GMT -5
I guess you can say this song didn't Live Forever, it Died Young...
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Post by bboat11 on Nov 5, 2015 21:50:52 GMT -5
I guess you can say this song didn't Live Forever, it Died Young... If I go crazy, go go go crazy, bury me in satin...
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Post by mep on Nov 6, 2015 23:46:28 GMT -5
Maybe I'm confused by the recurrent rules, but shouldn't this song have stayed on the BB chart for one more week? I thought White Lightning should stay too, unless it's audience tanked enough to drop it below #60. Welcome to the board, and I don't think you're confused. It would have been easy for Lightning to drop off by falling below the audience posted by the #60 song. The bottom of the 60-position chart has rarely if ever been as high as it has been during the last couple of months, and Lightning would have been capable of losing a bit more than a million impressions this last week. Band Perry would have been harder to fit into the same category -- losing 6 mill out of an audience total of 7 mill would have been hard to forecast, but their song was on pace to lose about 5 million. So it could have just translated really badly from MB to BB and fallen off the chart, in a somewhat unlikely move. On the other hand, considering that Billboard did not follow its own rules and pull the Chesney song this week based on falling out of the top 10 in spins, it seems just as reasonable to put the Band Perry disappearance down to Billboard ignoring trivia like "chart rules" and just going off the deep end. Either way, your chart knowledge is not the problem here. What do you think they're going to do next week with the Luke Bryan song that's on the way down? It will fall out of the top 10 in audience in its third consecutive bulletless week -- they should pull it. But I'm not at all confident they will. I think the real problem is that some intern is deciding which songs do and don't leave the chart. Thanks for the reply...glad to know it wasn't just me. Yeah Chesney should have been gone too, and they screwed up with Canaan Smith a few months back too. These "errors" seem to be more frequent these days. As for Luke, he's gotta be gone this week. I predict they get that one right.
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Nov 11, 2015 14:38:17 GMT -5
So they changed the album release to early 2016... but before you celebrate thinking they're reworking on a country sound, the rumor mill says it's because they're working on new music with no other than... NICKI MINAJ!! Yay! We all know only good, quality and obviously country music can come out of that. They're determined to crossover to pop... at any costs. I think they really don't want to (just) stay in country and want to make the full transition without losing all the goods of being in the country cloud. But if this new collab is a hit I'm sure they would trade genres with no problems. They're THAT desperate. It's embarrassing. I'm not a fan of these guys anymore, they have absolutely no integrity or artistry left. Disappointment! Where's the source for their album being released in 2016 instead? While I'm pretty confident that it's true, I still would like to see a link confirming it because I cannot find one anywhere. I cannot believe they're working with Nicki now, though. They definitely are making it clear they want to crossover. I see Country abandoning them completely with this era, tbh. I mean, it's already happening right now with Live Forever anyways.
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 11, 2015 14:39:47 GMT -5
Well, we already knew that their album Heart + Beat would be delayed until 2016 but it has become official recently. The Band Perry said that they have a new collaboration they just had to include on the album and that's why they delayed the album release in an interview with News4Jax. missbehaving mentioned this earlier in the thread and that collaboration would perhaps be with Nicki Minaj. ^ That's not why it was delayed. You don't reveal the album artwork and title with a tentative date and delay it all for one collaboration. "Live Forever" bombed...that's the biggest reason why. It's not smart business if you're The Band Perry to release an album with a single that isn't charting anymore and barely cracked the top 30.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2015 14:42:10 GMT -5
I wonder how pop The Band Perry is going to get before they get the memo that country radio won't take this garbage.
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Nov 11, 2015 14:44:45 GMT -5
Well, we already knew that their album Heart + Beat would be delayed until 2016 but it has become official recently. The Band Perry said that they have a new collaboration they just had to include on the album and that's why they delayed the album release in an interview with News4Jax. missbehaving mentioned this earlier in the thread and that collaboration would perhaps be with Nicki Minaj. ^ That's not why it was delayed. You don't reveal the album artwork and title with a tentative date and delay it all for one collaboration. "Live Forever" bombed...that's the biggest reason why. It's not smart business if you're The Band Perry to release an album with a single that isn't charting anymore and barely cracked the top 30. Yeah, I completely expected the album to be delayed once Live Forever started to peak and fall. We all were! I was just wondering where was the confirmation because I wanted to be reassured about the delay. The album is still put on the schedule for release on 11/23 on HDD (Hits Daily Double) so I was a tad confused when I kinda knew it was delayed. That's why I asked. Thanks for the source! Now, the only thing I'm not sure about...why are they still pushing to Country when Country clearly doesn't want their 'Pop' material? Push to Pop instead if you're gonna only make Pop songs! (I know how hypocritical I sound, especially with Zac Brown Band and Sam Hunt being on Country charts with their Poppiest songs yet...)
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 11, 2015 14:47:28 GMT -5
Well, we already knew that their album Heart + Beat would be delayed until 2016 but it has become official recently. The Band Perry said that they have a new collaboration they just had to include on the album and that's why they delayed the album release in an interview with News4Jax. missbehaving mentioned this earlier in the thread and that collaboration would perhaps be with Nicki Minaj. ^ That's not why it was delayed. You don't reveal the album artwork and title with a tentative date and delay it all for one collaboration. "Live Forever" bombed...that's the biggest reason why. It's not smart business if you're The Band Perry to release an album with a single that isn't charting anymore and barely cracked the top 30. Yeah, I completely expected the album to be delayed once Live Forever started to peak and fall. We all were! I was just wondering where was the confirmation because I wanted to be reassured about the delay. The album is still put on the schedule for release on 11/23 on HDD (Hits Daily Double) so I was a tad confused when I kinda knew it was delayed. That's why I asked. Thanks for the source! It was just a coincidence. You and I were posting at the same time in this thread and I just happened to answer your question, lol. Glad I could help. :)
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Post by missbehaving on Nov 11, 2015 17:19:10 GMT -5
Well, we already knew that their album Heart + Beat would be delayed until 2016 but it has become official recently. The Band Perry said that they have a new collaboration they just had to include on the album and that's why they delayed the album release in an interview with News4Jax. missbehaving mentioned this earlier in the thread and that collaboration would perhaps be with Nicki Minaj. ^ That's not why it was delayed. You don't reveal the album artwork and title with a tentative date and delay it all for one collaboration. "Live Forever" bombed...that's the biggest reason why. It's not smart business if you're The Band Perry to release an album with a single that isn't charting anymore and barely cracked the top 30. Yeah, I completely expected the album to be delayed once Live Forever started to peak and fall. We all were! I was just wondering where was the confirmation because I wanted to be reassured about the delay. The album is still put on the schedule for release on 11/23 on HDD (Hits Daily Double) so I was a tad confused when I kinda knew it was delayed. That's why I asked. Thanks for the source! Now, the only thing I'm not sure about...why are they still pushing to Country when Country clearly doesn't want their 'Pop' material? Push to Pop instead if you're gonna only make Pop songs! (I know how hypocritical I sound, especially with Zac Brown Band and Sam Hunt being on Country charts with their Poppiest songs yet...) Glad you got the source you were looking for. As for why they don't send to pop... I guess it's because they're marketed as country and because their core fanbase is country. Heck their pop fans never looked for a pop sound from them, every pop fan they have has liked them for their signature sound not this new lame pop crap. Also, the music is nowhere near good enough for pop radio, it's very radio Disney, which I doubt they were aware of when they made LF and other songs. They hired pop songwriters and Red One and it's like they were given leftovers true pop artists wouldn't touch. For an anthem LF is very boring and very bland. Another reason pop fans and radio don't want their music is because it's so obvious what they're trying to do, you can see right through them. It's not genuine or authentic and everyone can tell... so no one is buying it. They know they can't succeed without the country pillow protecting them, I think they thought they could ride this new lame pop songs on country radio wave and do well. Just follow the trend and hope to crossover. Problem is, the other artists are doing what they always did and TBP had to change everything about them for this. They betrayed what country music and their fans expected from them. They stopped making unique quality music and had an extreme makeover that is alienating everyone. As for collabs with pop artists... I really don't think it's going to work, for the Perrys at least.
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Post by missbehaving on Nov 13, 2015 17:06:45 GMT -5
they just posted this by the way, this is from their facebook and a fan just commented this was because of Live Forever's flop... when I came back to the site the comment was conveniently gone. These people have very thin skin, but I think some of us here already knew that.
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Post by The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷 on Nov 13, 2015 17:24:35 GMT -5
Let's hope their "last minute blasts of creativity" are country, since generic-pop didn't really work for them.
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Post by missbehaving on Nov 13, 2015 17:32:32 GMT -5
Let's hope their "last minute blasts of creativity" are country, since generic-pop didn't really worked for them. Exactly. The LF flop definitely scared them, lets just hope the scare was on the positive side and clean up this album while they can.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 17:44:52 GMT -5
Hahahahahaha, holy crap this made my day! Blasts of creativity? Ha! I thought we called this "evolution"? Or did they forget to mention that part?
Seriously, what makes them think that pushing further into Pop will do them any favors? It hasn't exactly worked so far.
By the looks of things, we'll be having to dig three instead of two.
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 13, 2015 17:53:30 GMT -5
I usually try to avoid posts like this but...I'm literally LMAO @ that statement.
"Live Forever" tanked. End of story.
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Post by Kurt on Nov 13, 2015 18:11:54 GMT -5
I'll hold out a sliver of hope that the fact they pointed out "If I Die Young" and "DONE." means they know that's what their fans like and they're planning to head back in that direction. Like I've said before, I wouldn't mind if they shifted toward pop, but not if they do it as poorly as what we've heard from this album so far.
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Post by The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷 on Nov 13, 2015 19:20:55 GMT -5
I'll hold out a sliver of hope that the fact they pointed out "If I Die Young" and "DONE." means they know that's what their fans like and they're planning to head back in that direction. Like I've said before, I wouldn't mind if they shifted toward pop, but not if they do it as poorly as what we've heard from this album so far. I share the same opinion... Going "pop" was never a problem for me as long as they keep up the quality of their past efforts. I wouldn't mind them putting out an album like Red or Jekyll + Hyde with a mix of their past sound and some experimentations for example, but if Live Forever is any indication of what their "new sound" sounds like, I would prefer them sticking with what they did before.
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