rsmatto
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Post by rsmatto on May 8, 2016 20:46:57 GMT -5
This song hasn't done much to move the needle all that much as Canaan is selling worse than almost all other songs in the Top 30 with the exception of Big & Rich "Loving Lately" and William Michael Morgan "I Met A Girl". This week has been kind to "Hole In A Bottle" however as Canaan has gained 120 spins so far this week which is definitely not bad at all. Canaan Smith has also gained 637k in audience as well this week. I'm just surprised that the label is still pushing this song as this week will mark week 38 for this one. I don't even think some of the marathon chart runs we've seen before ("Little Bit Of You" "Run Away With You" "I Got The Boy" "Already Calling You Mine" "I Love This Life" "Love You Like That") had racked up that many weeks (in this case 38) when they were around the 24-26 range so I wonder just how much longer the label will stick with this song. You're surprised by this AND David Nail and others? These are EXACTLY the types of artsits that have long chart runs. I can see the label sticking with this at least through the summer, especially since it's more "Tempo" than 2/3 of the stuff on the charts right now. IE what they want. If it's no better 10 weeks from now, we'll hear of a third single or a lead single from a forthcoming sophomore project.
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Post by sabre14 on May 8, 2016 20:54:42 GMT -5
If radio lets them, they'll keep pushing this.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 21:01:42 GMT -5
This song hasn't done much to move the needle all that much as Canaan is selling worse than almost all other songs in the Top 30 with the exception of Big & Rich "Loving Lately" and William Michael Morgan "I Met A Girl". This week has been kind to "Hole In A Bottle" however as Canaan has gained 120 spins so far this week which is definitely not bad at all. Canaan Smith has also gained 637k in audience as well this week. I'm just surprised that the label is still pushing this song as this week will mark week 38 for this one. I don't even think some of the marathon chart runs we've seen before ("Little Bit Of You" "Run Away With You" "I Got The Boy" "Already Calling You Mine" "I Love This Life" "Love You Like That") had racked up that many weeks (in this case 38) when they were around the 24-26 range so I wonder just how much longer the label will stick with this song. You're surprised by this AND David Nail and others? These are EXACTLY the types of artsits that have long chart runs. I can see the label sticking with this at least through the summer, especially since it's more "Tempo" than 2/3 of the stuff on the charts right now. IE what they want. If it's no better 10 weeks from now, we'll hear of a third single or a lead single from a forthcoming sophomore project. No! I'm not surprised by the long chart runs I'm surprised the label is still pushing this song because it's sold terribly and oh yeah I forgot to mention, there's a crap ton of songs that are about to pass this within a month (Sam Hunt, FGL, Zac Brown Band, Kelsea Ballerini will soon enough, Cole Swindell, heck I won't be shocked if Big & Rich or William Michael Morgan managed a pass). This song is irrelevant it honestly doesn't deserve Top 25, and I don't think any of those songs that were marathon chart runs in themselves took this long just to crack the Top 25. By the time Week 38 was for like "I Got The Boy" I think that was like Top 20 or maybe even Top 10 (can't recall right now). Taking 38 weeks just to crack the Top 25 is pathetic. Also 10 weeks from now if the label is still promoting this it might be in the Top 20 but that's just stupid if a label is going to spend an entire calendar year just to get it into the Top 20 especially given how abysmal the sales are with this one and how pathetic Canaan's album sold 12k in opening weeks is downright embarrassing. I rest my case, don't even bother changing my mind I'm way too stubborn to change my opinion on this.
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Post by sabre14 on May 16, 2016 12:46:38 GMT -5
"Hole In A Bottle" will see close to double digit adds this week. It also gained over 2.0 million in Mediabase audience. Even though this one is nearly 40 weeks old on Billboard's chart, this isn't looking like its close to being done yet. "Night's On Fire" isn't looking that way either for that matter (that one is over 40 weeks old).
My friend in radio said on David's song (which I think can apply just as well to this one), "they're still pushing it and they've purposely planned a slow climb."
I think UMG made the decision to be complacent with an excruciating long chart climb for both "Hole In A Bottle" and "Night's On Fire." It's probably cost a large amount of money promoting these two songs but if the label is fully aware of that likelihood going in -- and radio allows them -- then a 45-50 week chart climb will happen, especially when both songs are finally getting conversions (being around the top 20). I absolutely hate that songs can spend over 40 weeks on the chart, no sweat, but it's a reality we need to face on 2016 Country radio.
For what it's worth, I actually have heard little of "Night's On Fire" and "Hole In A Bottle". The Highway never plays them and WYRK has both in low rotation, so for once this doesn't bother me that much, lol. But I'm quite sure others here are utterly exhausted by these two songs by now.
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Post by robenglund on May 16, 2016 14:12:57 GMT -5
"Hole In A Bottle" will see close to double digit adds this week. It also gained over 2.0 million in Mediabase audience. Even though this one is nearly 40 weeks old on Billboard's chart, this isn't looking like its close to being done yet. "Night's On Fire" isn't looking that way either for that matter (that one is over 40 weeks old). My friend in radio said on David's song (which I think can apply just as well to this one), "they're still pushing it and they've purposely planned a slow climb." I think UMG made the decision to be complacent with an excruciating long chart climb for both "Hole In A Bottle" and "Night's On Fire." It's probably cost a large amount of money promoting these two songs but if the label is fully aware of that likelihood going in -- and radio allows them -- then a 45-50 week chart climb will happen, especially when both songs are finally getting conversions (being around the top 20). I absolutely hate that songs can spend over 40 weeks on the chart, no sweat, but it's a reality we need to face on 2016 Country radio. For what it's worth, I actually have heard little of "Night's On Fire" and "Hole In A Bottle". The Highway never plays them and WYRK has both in low rotation, so for once this doesn't bother me that much, lol. But I'm quite sure others here are utterly exhausted by these two songs by now. I can attest to "Nights On Fire". I hear it ALL the time on WDSY and WPBG and it's barely in the Top 20 lol. For the amount I hear it, it feels like it's way higher on the chart.
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 26, 2016 12:41:19 GMT -5
I quite like the chorus on this one but the verses are pretty bad. I'm bummed that the far superior "Power of Positive Drinkin'" had to flop while this one keeps right on going. Meh.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2016 10:49:51 GMT -5
If the past two weeks are any indication of "Hole In A Bottle's" fate, then well it's not looking good at all, Canaan has managed to gain about 10 spins in the past 13 days. The audience gains aren't anything to write home about either in fact it's pretty downright sad. Canaan has lost 894k in audience, while a lot of it was last week it does look like this is nearing the end. "Hole In A Bottle" has to rebullet on Billboard or else Canaan leaves, this MB week Canaan lost 12 spins and about 230k in audience so this ones fate is rather ambiguous.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 2, 2016 12:50:27 GMT -5
"Hole In A Bottle" is done. Lost 100 spins and 335k in audience today. Its lost 130 spins and 800k in audience this Mediabase tracking week.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 2, 2016 14:55:38 GMT -5
This one was already hogging up chart space forever not doing much, so I'm glad to see that will cease to continue. If only more songs did this instead of hanging around for eternity.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 16:42:45 GMT -5
This one was already hogging up chart space forever not doing much, so I'm glad to see that will cease to continue. If only more songs did this instead of hanging around for eternity. Since you brought this up, does anyone think labels actually do more harm than good when they prolong chart runs of songs that really shouldn't still be charting? Especially young artists. I think about someone like Drake White who has now had a few charted songs, all of which had pretty natural chart runs. When they ran out of steam, the label moved on. I could see him growing from those songs and one day catching on with more popularity. On the other hand, you have someone like Canaan Smith or Michael Ray or Granger Smith, all of whom had somewhat longer chart runs and perhaps more importantly higher peaks than we perhaps would have expected from their debut singles. We now see each of them have kind of struggled a bit with their follow ups. All three have had significant recurrent play. So I guess my question is: is it possible for a label to create too big of a hit for a newer artist and then put the artist at a disadvantage as he/she continues to release subsequent singles?
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 2, 2016 16:53:42 GMT -5
This one was already hogging up chart space forever not doing much, so I'm glad to see that will cease to continue. If only more songs did this instead of hanging around for eternity. Since you brought this up, does anyone think labels actually do more harm than good when they prolong chart runs of songs that really shouldn't still be charting? Especially young artists. I think about someone like Drake White who has now had a few charted songs, all of which had pretty natural chart runs. When they ran out of steam, the label moved on. I could see him growing from those songs and one day catching on with more popularity. On the other hand, you have someone like Canaan Smith or Michael Ray or Granger Smith, all of whom had somewhat longer chart runs and perhaps more importantly higher peaks than we perhaps would have expected from their debut singles. We now see each of them have kind of struggled a bit with their follow ups. All three have had significant recurrent play. So I guess my question is: is it possible for a label to create too big of a hit for a newer artist and then put the artist at a disadvantage as he/she continues to release subsequent singles? I think it depends on the situation. This guy's album already came out and he had a hit with his last single (albeit after it's own painstakingly-long chart run), but Drake White hasn't had either of those yet. If Drake White had a #1 hit and released an album, I'm sure his follow-up would probably be pushed for a lot longer, even if the end result was a poor-selling single that peaks in the 20s, because there's more incentive for them to keep it going. As for the last part, which is what the root of what you're getting at, then yes, it seems like this is the case for a lot of newer artists, but it's unfortunately just the way things are nowadays. Obviously some artists manage to overcome it better than others (Sam Hunt, Kelsea Ballerini for two recent examples), but I think the reception for some of these follow-ups just hasn't been strong enough. There was just no incentive to turn "Hole in a Bottle" into another big hit for Canaan because no one was buying it; by comparison, "Love You Like That" was selling exceptionally well before it even started to take off at radio, and that's ultimately why it became a hit in the end.
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