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Post by Wavey✨️ on Sept 5, 2015 19:41:13 GMT -5
It just fell by like 800 spins. So I was sorta right. Look...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 20:56:53 GMT -5
I'm posting this in this thread so that I don't get involved in a fight in RT... those posters there have really mixed up priorities.
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Post by surfy on Sept 5, 2015 21:59:48 GMT -5
What Im annoyed at is that this song got popular right away just because a well known person is singing it. I bet you if it was a new singer singing this same song, it wouldnt even be popular or known. Just because it is sung by Justin Bieber, it is very popular and being a great song. Believe me, I dont hate the song, I like it, but it doesnt sound like a song that can be a hit. It sounds like a song that could get very old very very fast, sort of like The Man by Aloe Blacc Point 1: As you have seen, a song doesn't become popular JUST because a singer is well known (See: Beg for It, Pretty Girls, Drag Me Down etc.) the song has to be good (remember, this is subjective) for people to buy it... I mean, you may not like it and others may not like it, but that doesn't dictate what does and doesn't chart well. Point 2: The song isn't by another artist, so your claim holds no value here. Point 3: What does a "hit" sound like to you? "The Man" was also a hit, so what exactly are you getting at? Point 4: The burn rate has nothing to do with whether a song is a hit or not, it really only determines how much longevity/recurrent airplay it receives. (And remember, burn rates are also SUBJECTIVE)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 22:31:07 GMT -5
Beg For It and Pretty Girls only debutted high just because they were by known singers, same with This Summers Gonna Hurt. If a new singer sang all those 3 charts then it would not even chart on Billboard.
Yes I liked The Man a lot and was a great song and a hit, but it got old very very fast that's why it declined fast.
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Post by surfy on Sept 5, 2015 22:40:42 GMT -5
Beg For It and Pretty Girls only debutted high just because they were by known singers, same with This Summers Gonna Hurt. If a new singer sang all those 3 charts then it would not even chart on Billboard. Yes I liked The Man a lot and was a great song and a hit, but it got old very very fast that's why it declined fast. ...that was literally my entire point. like? Okay, but that song was still a hit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 22:46:10 GMT -5
I am saying that there is Bias regarding popular singers charting on Hot 100
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Post by peacebone on Sept 5, 2015 23:12:52 GMT -5
What the fuck am I reading?
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Post by surfy on Sept 5, 2015 23:15:23 GMT -5
I am saying that there is Bias regarding popular singers charting on Hot 100 The Hot 100 is there to tell us the most popular songs during a specific period of time. There is no bias.
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Post by Mikey on Sept 5, 2015 23:15:30 GMT -5
I am saying that there is Bias regarding popular singers charting on Hot 100 so what? You can't change how it works. Your rants are basically pointless.
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Post by NeRD on Sept 5, 2015 23:45:28 GMT -5
Is this even a legit argument? Lol
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Post by lyhom on Sept 5, 2015 23:51:54 GMT -5
I am saying that there is Bias regarding popular singers charting on Hot 100 congratulations, you just figured out that image matters in entertainment! want a gold star?
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Sept 6, 2015 0:03:37 GMT -5
Whoever said that this would not be a runaway mega hit like Shake it Off, Roar, and We Found Love is being proven wrong at this point. It's a total global smash.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Sept 6, 2015 0:17:18 GMT -5
*Flips Non-existent hair* Your welcome for the WFL reference. From the beginning this sounded like a mega hit. Tropical House has been flourishing in Europe but there has not been a mainstream US artist to tackle it yet to influence our audience. Same way for Rihanna x Calvin Harris. EDM had been popular for so many years but of course the US markets have been behind on the trends until somebody familiar was able to bring it over. I hate the cycle but I'm glad to hear it here without constantly resorting to my own music and playlists.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 6, 2015 0:23:22 GMT -5
What Im annoyed at is that this song got popular right away just because a well known person is singing it. I bet you if it was a new singer singing this same song, it wouldnt even be popular or known. Just because it is sung by Justin Bieber, it is very popular and being a great song. Welcome to.... life?
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on Sept 6, 2015 1:12:05 GMT -5
So many things wrong with this post that I will go more in depth on when I have my laptop.... I'll get the popcorn ready! I'll get the knitting needles. I am saying that there is Bias regarding popular singers charting on Hot 100 If a song has enough airplay, sales, and streaming points, it will chart. Not because someone at Billboard likes someone enough to help them chart. If you have some insider knowledge about manipulation due to that favoritism, we want to see concrete proof. I am saying that there is Bias regarding popular singers charting on Hot 100 The Hot 100 is there to tell us the most popular songs during a specific period of time. There is no bias. Exactly. If it was number one for one week and then it fell of the chart the next week, it doesn't take away from the fact that it was a number one at that time.
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Sept 6, 2015 2:59:28 GMT -5
surfy, keep your keystrokes, bew. I already gave him the "Look.."
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Post by Dylan :) on Sept 6, 2015 6:20:22 GMT -5
Beg For It and Pretty Girls only debutted high just because they were by known singers, same with This Summers Gonna Hurt. If a new singer sang all those 3 charts then it would not even chart on Billboard. I don't understand your point? What Do You Mean had a month long promotion from various celebrities, was a trending topic, was performed at a huge awards show, got a big radio deal, and so on. True, a lot of the reason for the surge on debut is because of his popularity. But people clearly like the song, otherwise it wouldn't still be #1 on iTunes. If an unknown artist/new artist released this song, it wouldn't chart instantly because of the fact the artist is unknown. How can people look forward to a song's release and then buy it/stream it/radio play it, if no one knows the singer even exists? For example, Octahate. If that was performed by a more well known artist it likely would've done much better, but Ryn is mostly unknown, and her label did nothing about that, and so it did not chart.
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 6, 2015 8:10:24 GMT -5
In this case it's not even a case of radio playing a song out of the gate for no reason. The song is selling incredibly well. Yes, he is a known artist so radio is going to play out the sh** of it (i don't find that annoying, i find annoying when a song is popular and radio refuses to play it just because it's not from a known artist) and he is going to benefit the new rules of the hot 100 (if the rules where there when he released other of his big hits this won't be his first number one).
The song didn't impress me (but it's catchy enough to end liking it) and the video is not interesting at all, but people like it. I find it way worse when Harlem shake became a hit just because boring people decided to make 30 seconds video dancing like they were suffering an electroshock using the song as soundtrack.
If this will end being a monster hit is as impossible to know as if his clean image will last. This could perfectly go from a multiple week number one, to a one week only number one with a lot of weeks on top 10, to burn out fast and drop like a stone, who knows. But right now it looks like a big hit.
One thing is clear, he is far from being the best singer, or the most talented, but he must to have something, because people who mess up that much as he messed up in recent years, generally end with their career over in no time, and at least he seems to be albe to generate interest. The album will be the meassure of his success, a hit puts him in the right direction but it won't mean anything if the album flops, but right now he survived to the transition from teen star to adult singer (which is not easy, even when social media it seems easier than in the past given the fact that there are a good bunch of former teen stars that were able to do it in recent years) and he seems to be able to survive a couple of years of terrible bad press, and of course the hords of haters he had from the beginning of his career.
And it's easy to say that he is succeding now because he is a well known artist, but the truth is he faced as much oposition from radio like Shawn Mendes are suffering today. He was selling millions of albums and radio make him hit a brick wall anytime a song reached top 15.
I think the following months will be interesting
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Sept 6, 2015 8:10:26 GMT -5
POP 27 18 JUSTIN BIEBER What Do You Mean? 5545 2204 3341 37.869 +452 Spins -105 Bullet +2.395 Audience
RHYTHMIC 59 34 JUSTIN BIEBER What Do You Mean? 1001 247 754 4.088 +120 Spins +38 Bullet +0.485 Audience
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 11:49:04 GMT -5
Y'all know damn well this song is the bomb. King Biebs strikes again.
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Post by McCreerian on Sept 6, 2015 11:58:01 GMT -5
In the case of this poster he is clearly personally biased and he is letting that override any common sense or basic chart knowledge, if that was there to begin with.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 12:46:11 GMT -5
I am still wondering how Uptown Funk ended up getting an hourly deal when Mark Ronson was not even known at all...
It did turn out to be a great song though. One of the very few hourly deal songs I actually ended up liking a lot.
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Post by lyhom on Sept 7, 2015 12:50:37 GMT -5
I am still wondering how Uptown Funk ended up getting an hourly deal when Mark Ronson was not even known at all... I don't know, I mean that Bruno Mars guy wasn't that known either at the time......
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 12:57:32 GMT -5
Yea but it was Mark Ronsons song, not Bruno Mars
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Post by surfy on Sept 7, 2015 13:00:43 GMT -5
Yea but it was Mark Ronsons song, not Bruno Mars Yeah, but Bruno was singing the entire thing, just like a Zedd & Selena song, people will recognize Selena before Zedd, which is all radio cares about.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 7, 2015 13:12:04 GMT -5
There has already been a liberal arts student write about why this song shouldn't exist on HP and the comments section ripped it apart - and rightfully so. It was amazing!
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Post by surfy on Sept 7, 2015 13:13:52 GMT -5
There has already been a liberal arts student write about why this song shouldn't exist on HP and the comments section ripped it apart - and rightfully so. It was amazing! wrong thread
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Sept 7, 2015 13:15:25 GMT -5
POP 26 18 JUSTIN BIEBER What Do You Mean? 5839 2798 3041 39.627 +294 Spins -300 Bullet +1.758 Audience
RHY 53 27 JUSTIN BIEBER What Do You Mean? 1108 324 784 4.452 +107 Spins +30 Bullet +0.364 Audience
HOT AC 76 47 JUSTIN BIEBER What Do You Mean? 229 37 192 1.922
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 7, 2015 13:17:59 GMT -5
There has already been a liberal arts student write about why this song shouldn't exist on HP and the comments section ripped it apart - and rightfully so. It was amazing! wrong thread No. Right thread, subtle reference to the other thread by tying it into this one. The article was about how Justin shouldn't be asking what she means when she says yes and no and that it automatically means no, otherwise #rape. The comments ripped it apart because Justin was asking for clarification because #mixedsignals - and how that's a good thing, rather than assuming and trying to go for it anyway.
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Post by surfy on Sept 7, 2015 13:21:19 GMT -5
No. Right thread, subtle reference to the other thread by tying it into this one. The article was about how Justin shouldn't be asking what she means when she says yes and no and that it automatically means no, otherwise #rape. The comments ripped it apart because Justin was asking for clarification because #mixedsignals - and how that's a good thing, rather than assuming and trying to go for it anyway. Ahhhh. Understood.
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