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Post by matty005 on Aug 15, 2015 13:28:36 GMT -5
I didn't have any problem with God Made Girls, and I don't have a problem with this. Someone can sing about a particular set of ideas or things without that meaning that they are trying to force everyone else into the same model. . Of course they can. But if you don't believe in what they're singing about, you're most likely not going to enjoy it as much. If this song was called, "Real Men Love Allah," I am sure most people wouldn't like it as much because it's not what they believe.
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 24, 2015 9:46:22 GMT -5
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Post by bamafan2102 on Aug 24, 2015 11:13:59 GMT -5
There are many artist that sing songs about things they don't believe in or do. Keith Urban is supposedly sober but has lyrics about drinking and I doubt that he was in the back of a cop car falling in love with someone. I could go on and on.
I haven't heard this yet but admit that KYITM was okay in my opinion. It fit right in with everything else.
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Post by bamafan2102 on Aug 24, 2015 11:18:37 GMT -5
I didn't have any problem with God Made Girls, and I don't have a problem with this. Someone can sing about a particular set of ideas or things without that meaning that they are trying to force everyone else into the same model. . Of course they can. But if you don't believe in what they're singing about, you're most likely not going to enjoy it as much. If this song was called, "Real Men Love Allah," I am sure most people wouldn't like it as much because it's not what they believe. Chely Wright and Ty Herndon sang songs about loving the oposite sex. Did I dislike them because they were not believable? No. Of course most folks did not know they were gay at the time but I still enjoy their old albums even though their songs infer them being straight.
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Post by matty005 on Aug 24, 2015 11:45:11 GMT -5
Of course they can. But if you don't believe in what they're singing about, you're most likely not going to enjoy it as much. If this song was called, "Real Men Love Allah," I am sure most people wouldn't like it as much because it's not what they believe. Chely Wright and Ty Herndon sang songs about loving the oposite sex. Did I dislike them because they were not believable? No. Of course most folks did not know they were gay at the time but I still enjoy their old albums even though their songs infer them being straight. Yeah. That is so not the same.
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Post by matty005 on Aug 24, 2015 13:35:57 GMT -5
There are many artist that sing songs about things they don't believe in or do. Keith Urban is supposedly sober but has lyrics about drinking and I doubt that he was in the back of a cop car falling in love with someone. I could go on and on. I haven't heard this yet but admit that KYITM was okay in my opinion. It fit right in with everything else. You don't "believe" in beer. You can see it and drink it and taste it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 13:43:58 GMT -5
KYITM was okay in my opinion. It fit right in with everything else. That's what was wrong with it.
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Post by jesster on Aug 24, 2015 17:51:39 GMT -5
My original comment about his lack of religiosity (which I have no idea about but someone above said that was the case) and choosing this particular song topic/title was because the religious aspect is just more sensitive. If, hypothetically, someone were to be singing about loving Jesus or Allah purely because it would sell and they had no belief or connection related to that subject matter - not so good.
In any event, I saw on another site Michael Ray states that this is a song he likes because it represents the values and outlook of his grandfather. So fair enough.
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Post by rowdawg21 on Aug 24, 2015 21:14:01 GMT -5
In any event, I saw on another site Michael Ray states that this is a song he likes because it represents the values and outlook of his grandfather. So fair enough. That post was referring to a poster here, not Michael Ray.
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Post by vamp111 on Aug 25, 2015 4:29:05 GMT -5
Michael Ray is actually very religious for those who have doubts.
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Post by matty005 on Aug 25, 2015 5:02:55 GMT -5
Michael Ray is actually very religious for those who have doubts. Nobody has doubts. One person just misunderstood a comment.
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Post by rsmatto on Aug 25, 2015 16:30:06 GMT -5
KYITM was okay in my opinion. It fit right in with everything else. That's what was wrong with it. Actually, that's what made it the right first single to get him noticed, zack97. Now he can put out this and other songs and hopefully build on that with more meaningful songs. It's VERY hard to break out with something strikingly dissimilar with other stuff on radio.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 17:08:05 GMT -5
That's what was wrong with it. Actually, that's what made it the right first single to get him noticed, zack97. Now he can put out this and other songs and hopefully build on that with more meaningful songs. It's VERY hard to break out with something strikingly dissimilar with other stuff on radio. That's an unfortunate truth right now--something which Maddie & Tae probably did as well. "Girl in a Country Song" was slightly different than the rest of their tunes in production, in my opinion. Seems that perhaps years ago it was the opposite. Now artists need to release generic vanilla fluff to break out, before moving onto the deeper material once they have some goodwill and recognition with fans and radio. Previously it seemed that some artists solidified themselves within the genre with the meaningful/deep stuff first (Blake Shelton with "Austin", Brad Paisley with "He Didn't Have to Be", Luke Bryan with "Do I", Carrie Underwood with "Jesus Take the Wheel") and then later went to the generic vanilla stuff to stay relevant.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 17:11:37 GMT -5
That's what was wrong with it. Actually, that's what made it the right first single to get him noticed, zack97. Now he can put out this and other songs and hopefully build on that with more meaningful songs. It's VERY hard to break out with something strikingly dissimilar with other stuff on radio. Sure it may not have been a bad choice from a commercial standpoint, but my point was about the quality of the song, and even by today's standards, I'm not sure how something so vanilla got to the top, especially when there were times that it looked like it would fall off. If this hadn't had the luxury of the On The Verge Program, who knows if this still would have gone #1? And how does the song exactly get him "noticed"? The song literally could have been sung by any other male in mainstream Country music. And maybe he will have more meaningful songs, but considering he's being labeled more for being "hunky and funky" than his actual music, I have my doubts. I don't mean to turn this into a personal attack on the guy, but considering his abysmal album sales (even by today's standards), I just don't see how he's being noticed. By radio maybe, but who doesn't go #1 nowadays anyway?
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 25, 2015 17:16:48 GMT -5
Actually, that's what made it the right first single to get him noticed, zack97. Now he can put out this and other songs and hopefully build on that with more meaningful songs. It's VERY hard to break out with something strikingly dissimilar with other stuff on radio. That's an unfortunate truth right now--something which Maddie & Tae probably did as well. "Girl in a Country Song" was slightly different than the rest of their tunes in production, in my opinion. Seems that perhaps years ago it was the opposite. Now artists need to release generic vanilla fluff to break out, before moving onto the deeper material once they have some goodwill and recognition with fans and radio. Previously it seemed that some artists solidified themselves within the genre with the meaningful/deep stuff first (Blake Shelton with "Austin", Brad Paisley with "He Didn't Have to Be", Luke Bryan with "Do I", Carrie Underwood with "Jesus Take the Wheel") and then later went to the generic vanilla stuff to stay relevant. I agree. Ten years ago and farther back, new artist would be best served to have a debut song stand out from the pack to get noticed ("Alyssa Lies" was a good example), but now you just need to bow down to generic "tempo" to get a foot in the door. That's precisely why Capitol Nashville selected "Get It On" by Joey Hyde last summer and thankfully it blew up in their face. This specific case with Michael Ray though isn't quite the same since "On The Verge" was the reason "Kiss You In The Morning" exploded but I think it's just the sad truth of country radio in 2015. We definitely need more songs like "Burning House" to break artists and less "Kiss You In The Morning's" but it is nice to see that Michael has more to offer than his mediocre debut single.
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Post by rsmatto on Aug 26, 2015 9:22:06 GMT -5
I'd rather have unique artists like Cam and Kip Moore and so forth than bland and vanilla or "me too." I was simply commenting, dm2081, on the fact that country music has changed w/r/t this. Pop often likes songs that are familiar sounding over unique at first. This is how so many one hit wonders are formed. Country hasn't had nearly the amount of those that pop has had. This might actually start changing because, in the long run, an artist needs to have some sort of uniqueness to last. At least that's how stars are made. zack97, I don't think Michael Ray's number was all that bad. It's in line with other artists. Especially with the Free 3 months of Apple Music cutting into sales these days for new artist.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 16:03:35 GMT -5
I understand what you are trying to say rsmatto and I agree with you for the most part, except when you say that he can build on the momentum from KYITM with meaningful songs. I mean heck, even the A-listers don't do that (and by that, I'm taking guys like Aldean, Bryan, Shelton...etc), and if they do its from an album cut. There's obviously a few exceptions like Dierks, Carrie, whoever else you feel you could argue for...etc. But the thing is that, radio just isn't willing to play a serious, and/or different song unless they absolutely have to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 16:12:42 GMT -5
I think some newcomers are building on their first hit. By that I mean Maddie & Tae and Jon Pardi and maybe Eric Paslay after Song About A Girl. It just stinks that country music has gone so pop it's ridiculous. I mean I think when Luke Bryan's album came out I think that's when I realized country music is going down a slippery slope and it's not gonna be pretty.
For this song Meh! Like honestly this is so boring. I think it's the lyrics.
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Post by onebuffalo on Sept 14, 2015 16:43:16 GMT -5
AllAccess has this as the most added song of the week-54 adds!
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 14, 2015 16:53:10 GMT -5
AllAccess has this as the most added song of the week-54 adds! Where are you seeing this? According to HDD, "Country Nation" is the most added song (close to 60 adds) and "Head Over Boots" is second with just over 50. Michael's song is third.
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Post by rsmatto on Sept 14, 2015 18:03:14 GMT -5
AllAccess has this as the most added song of the week-54 adds! Where are you seeing this? According to HDD, "Country Nation" is the most added song (close to 60 adds) and "Head Over Boots" is second with just over 50. Michael's song is third. Maybe "total adds" on release date? But in that case, Paisley would have 80.
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 14, 2015 19:18:38 GMT -5
We're definitely going to be experiencing some chart congestion in the next couple weeks as "Real Men Love Jesus" has 1.07 million in audience on tonight's Billboard Airplay, yet its still not enough to crack the top 60. With the shear amount of established artists and noteworthy newcomers releasing singles over the past few weeks (and coming weeks), I'm not looking forward to chart watching this Fall; it's reminiscent to the Fall of 2012.
It would help tremendously if some long lasting singles ("Gonna Wanna Tonight", "Long Stretch Of Love", "Run Away With You", "Already Callin' You Mine") give up the fight.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 19:25:10 GMT -5
We're definitely going to be experiencing some chart congestion in the next couple weeks as "Real Men Love Jesus" has 1.07 million in audience on tonight's Billboard Airplay, yet its still not enough to crack the top 60. With the shear amount of established artists and noteworthy newcomers releasing singles over the past few weeks (and coming weeks), I'm not looking forward to chart watching this Fall; it's reminiscent to the Fall of 2012. It would help tremendously if some long lasting singles ("Gonna Wanna Tonight","Run Away With You", "Already Callin' You Mine") give up the fight. First of all how bad did Fall 2012 get? I thought chart watching got ugly in the spring of 2013. Also fixed it (sorry I will make sure Lady A gets that Top 15 they are so close! One more week and they can get it.
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 14, 2015 19:32:06 GMT -5
We're definitely going to be experiencing some chart congestion in the next couple weeks as "Real Men Love Jesus" has 1.07 million in audience on tonight's Billboard Airplay, yet its still not enough to crack the top 60. With the shear amount of established artists and noteworthy newcomers releasing singles over the past few weeks (and coming weeks), I'm not looking forward to chart watching this Fall; it's reminiscent to the Fall of 2012. It would help tremendously if some long lasting singles ("Gonna Wanna Tonight","Run Away With You", "Already Callin' You Mine") give up the fight. First of all how bad did Fall 2012 get? I thought chart watching got ugly in the spring of 2013. Also fixed it (sorry I will make sure Lady A gets that Top 15 they are so close! One more week and they can get it. I'm not sure what you meant by the second part of this post (the bolded part) but the end Fall of 2012 just seemed to have a massive amount of new singles from artists and some never took off because of it (at one point the point total to crack the MB top 50 was over 1000 points, which was a ton three years ago -- 14 less monitored stations). Although this past spring and the summer of 2014 were pretty brutal, probably the most brutal I've seen. Sometimes that happens though; at some point though, the damn breaks and we get a house cleaning.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 19:39:09 GMT -5
First of all how bad did Fall 2012 get? I thought chart watching got ugly in the spring of 2013. Also fixed it (sorry I will make sure Lady A gets that Top 15 they are so close! One more week and they can get it. I'm not sure what you meant by the second part of this post (the bolded part) but the end Fall of 2012 just seemed to have a massive amount of new singles from artists and some never took off because of it (at one point the point total to crack the MB top 50 was over 1000 points, which was a ton three years ago -- 14 less monitored stations). Although this past spring and the summer of 2014 were pretty brutal, probably the most brutal I've seen. Sometimes that happens though; at some point though, the damn breaks and we get a house cleaning. I changed out Long Stretch Of Love because I love the song and I think you can agree Long Stretch Of Love is nearing the end but it might hold on for 2-3 weeks for a Top 15 finish should be in the cards. I just remember around Spring 2013 that a huge amount of releases led to songs like Can't Shake You and Whiskey underperforming which I think was the beginning of the end for both acts (maybe not Jana)
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Post by Marv on Sept 14, 2015 22:52:11 GMT -5
Dofinitely a MAJOR upgrade from his previous single, another underwhelming #1 tune; this comes off to me as the old saying goes, straight ahead, no nonsense stone cold country that the format was built on. <br><br
>For me at least anybody from Tracy Lawrence to Randy Travis would have had an enormous smash with this mesmerizing song.<br><br>Tracy's 'Til I Was A Daddy Too' somehow popped into my head whole listening to this, as did Randy's 'He Walked On Water' and while the presence of the word 'Jesus' in the title might make some MDs squirm in the world's most PC format as Blake told the LA Times in 2011,
I certainly hope it does very well.<br><br>I don't know anything about two of the songwriters mentioned, but I do believe that the Warren Brothers wrote 'If You're Reading This' IIRC, and they've definitely delivered another standout song with some very wonderful assistance.<br><br>Devin tely a great change of pace for Michael Ray, even if it doesn't peak for several months, which is pretty much the standard for newcomers these days.
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Post by The Brazilian Guy π§π· on Sept 15, 2015 8:30:13 GMT -5
I wish he had released something else for second single, he has some other nice choices on his debut. It's not that I don't like how this sounds but I can't really connect to a song that just perpetuates such old and tired stereotypes... i mean we're in 2015...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 8:33:33 GMT -5
"Drivin' All Night" would have been a much better choice. It's not bro-country, but it sounds good and it's perfect for radio. Plus it was one of many great songs that Jake Owen's label failed to release off his last album. This is going to be a tough sell on today's country radio, plus it could be met with a similar controversy to the one "God Made Girls" encountered.
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Post by sixofone on Sept 15, 2015 9:31:41 GMT -5
After listening to this song several times, I'm changing my vote to a "thumbs down." The music is still great, but the lyrics are a horrible, messy list of stereotypes attempting to pander to the intended audience (the title could easily be changed to "Stereotypical Male Country Radio Listeners Love Jesus"). The use of the word "real" in the title is a problem for me -- it feels like the song is strongly implying that you aren't a "real man" if you don't do all the things on the list.
By the way, there is a full-page article about this song in the new Billboard Country Update (page 13), and the comments from everyone involved reinforce my feeling that the lyrics are just a bunch of stereotypes thrown together into a list.
It will be interesting to see how this fares on the charts.
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 3, 2015 13:57:10 GMT -5
As expected, "Real Men Love Jesus" isn't testing particular well. The total negative score is close to 25% and a pretty low positive and favorite percentage. The good news is that many listeners haven't heard this one yet, and WEA promotion team has managed to get this one up to #33 on MB and #34 on Billboard after just eight weeks.
It should be interesting to see just how high "Real Men Love Jesus" can get in the coming weeks and into the new year.
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