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Post by 14887fan on Dec 19, 2016 11:59:38 GMT -5
Honestly, even if she isn't/wasn't on direct speaking terms with the rest of the group, the fact that they were informed by her representatives is reason enough to write her off as verifiable trash.
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Post by Gray. on Dec 19, 2016 12:13:20 GMT -5
Seriously, she better literally set fire to the rain with whatever she brings as her first proper solo song because ain't nobody trying to make room for a white Keri Hilson. ...she's Cuban. You can be white and Cuban. There's nothing mutually exclusive about those terms. (And 64% of Cubans identified as white in a 2012 census per Wikipedia, so in fact, most Cubans are white).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 12:42:04 GMT -5
Seriously, she better literally set fire to the rain with whatever she brings as her first proper solo song because ain't nobody trying to make room for a white Keri Hilson. ...she's Cuban. There are white Cubans and afro-Cubans - and at least three different cans of worms within that - but duly noted. Cuban Keri it is...no one is going to make room for that, either. Just in case it wasn't clear why I made that comparison, Keri started her singing career as a glorified hook girl before finally getting her own shot. She was obviously being set up for success, but when it was time for her to shine on her own, there were multiple misfires and Keri's own reported attitude problems made people less inclined to root for her. Camila does not have room for error here (and frankly if we are going to label her an ethnic minority, that probably makes her room for error even less). Right now the only thing to her credit is that her vocal tone and performance style really didn't mesh well with the rest of 5H anyway. She is better off solo, but she needs to make sure everything else is handled flawlessly if she really wants to make this work.
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Post by gbaby on Dec 19, 2016 13:09:25 GMT -5
There are white Cubans and afro-Cubans - and at least three different cans of worms within that - but duly noted. Cuban Keri it is...no one is going to make room for that, either. It is wildly offensive to respond to my message that she is Cuban with your response, which seems to imply that there are levels of Cubanness, and that since she is presumably on the "white" side, that she is not as Cuban. As a Cuban, I don't make the distinction you just made. Please try and be a little more mindful of the way you treat other cultures. Just my two cents.
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Post by gbaby on Dec 19, 2016 13:12:38 GMT -5
You can be white and Cuban. There's nothing mutually exclusive about those terms. (And 64% of Cubans identified as white in a 2012 census per Wikipedia, so in fact, most Cubans are white). Actually, no one who you ask "what kind of Cuban are you" will respond with "I'm a white Cuban" or any other similar construct. These are all titles of classification created by white America to help them make sense of who is and isn't like them. Yes, there are Cubans of white descent, as there are Cubans of African, Asian, and mixed descent - but this is a secondary response to a Census question. Cubans identify as Cuban first and foremost. Anything else is constructs from white America. As a Cuban, I feel qualified to make this statement. But we are getting heavily off-topic here.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Dec 19, 2016 13:59:59 GMT -5
You can be white and Cuban. There's nothing mutually exclusive about those terms. (And 64% of Cubans identified as white in a 2012 census per Wikipedia, so in fact, most Cubans are white). Actually, no one who you ask "what kind of Cuban are you" will respond with "I'm a white Cuban" or any other similar construct. These are all titles of classification created by white America to help them make sense of who is and isn't like them. Yes, there are Cubans of white descent, as there are Cubans of African, Asian, and mixed descent - but this is a secondary response to a Census question. Cubans identify as Cuban first and foremost. Anything else is constructs from white America. As a Cuban, I feel qualified to make this statement. But we are getting heavily off-topic here. You should also note that she is living life in an American context. In America, white Cuban is a term that has use and purpose. Agree with it or not, she's going to be read as white rather than Cuban by the general population. Acknowledging that isn't offensive. And being argumentative isn't going to curry favor with anyone you're attempting to provide perspective to. Also, I'm 90% sure you misinterpreted Cynthia Rose's last post.
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Post by Gray. on Dec 19, 2016 14:10:17 GMT -5
I think we need to move on from this specific topic. No one in the conversation is purposefully trying to cause any issues, but let's refocus for the time being.
Billboard is also reporting that yesterday was literally the last day of her contractual obligations to the group, so she left at the first second she could.
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Post by maine on Dec 19, 2016 14:13:35 GMT -5
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Post by #LisaRinna on Dec 19, 2016 14:21:15 GMT -5
Is this all because she's credited on a top 10 single? lmao
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Dec 19, 2016 14:21:27 GMT -5
Apparently that audio is old.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 15:36:31 GMT -5
There are white Cubans and afro-Cubans - and at least three different cans of worms within that - but duly noted. Cuban Keri it is...no one is going to make room for that, either. It is wildly offensive to respond to my message that she is Cuban with your response, which seems to imply that there are levels of Cubanness, and that since she is presumably on the "white" side, that she is not as Cuban. As a Cuban, I don't make the distinction you just made. Please try and be a little more mindful of the way you treat other cultures. Just my two cents. There's nothing offensive by merely referring to someone as white last time I checked, so I don't know what to tell you about the massive leap of logic you just made there...I literally said "Cuban Keri it is" as if to say "cool, we don't even have to acknowledge the race; now that I know we can just call her Cuban!" so where in the world are you getting levels of Cubanness from any of that??? If I wanted to put levels on it I would have referred to her as "white Cuban Keri". Pointing out that there are white and afro-Cubans merely points out the ways in which race and ethnicity can overlap. You seem very well aware of at least that can of worms, that race is a particularly US way of viewing people; we identify others and [sometimes**] ourselves by sight. As problematic as this can be, it also kind of makes sense given our country's melting-pot nature; it's impossible to correctly identify most here by ethnicity on first look, and we don't have time to be launching into five-minute questionnaires every time we meet someone. In fact some people find such unprompted inquiries rude. Of course, if you volunteer extra information then we use it. Gloria Estefan springs to mind here as someone whom people KNOW is Cuban, and whom people would typically refer to as Cuban because we're aware of it. However, Camila has no distinguishing features which make her ethnicity immediately apparent, and as far as I've seen she has not put her culture on display for the general public to be well aware of it. So I don't get why you're so up in arms over someone calling her white; that's how people are likely to see her unless they are informed otherwise. Furthermore, there are no implicit connotations there other than whatever connotations YOU personally attach to the meaning of white. I myself have attached none. If anyone was the target of negative connotations from my original remark, it was Keri Hilson. **Can of of worms #2: some people seem to have major problems with using white as an identifier, but have NO problems when someone is identified as black. IDK if you are one of those people but let's chew on that for a bit. Racial identity isn't nearly problematic as the idea that such identity only applies to some and not others, is highly offensive today and completely glossed over tomorrow. But I'm in no mood to pick your brain and ask if you are equally offended when Christina Milian is sometimes referred to as a black Cuban American, or to inquire if you're one of those people who's just "so tired of people always making things about race." I just did a reverse scenario in my head (b/c the best way for me to look back and see if something I've said is offensive is to think of ways I could offend myself) and if someone said something like "Tinashe better come with the heat if she plans on sending anything else to pop cause goodness knows nobody is trying to make room for a black Charli XCX" I wouldn't be phased about the reference to race. Nor would I get on a high horse if I bother telling people er ethnicity (Zimbabwean, Danish, Lithuanian, and Norwegian). I'd be more pressed that one of my faves is a perpetual flop and shade magnet, but given that, I'm pretty well aware that no one is doing genealogical research on my flop fave to see what her ethnicity is before making a drive-by dig at her or Charli XCX. I guess it's just Dick Mondays at the Rose residence now b/c I don't even know why the conversation needed to get to this point (believe it or not I could go for many, many rounds of discussion on race and ethnicity, but I was going out of my way to not take it there over some chick who isn't even a good singer) and I feel like you're looking for an apology or some kind of understanding that I don't and won't ever have to give. I'm actually lowkey salty at you tbh. Camila Cabello and her related threads are not worthy of one of my word walls and now this bitch has gotten two of them. She's a bitch who can't sing or dance and was too passive-aggressive to even inform her band members face to face that she quit. From one ethnic minority to another I think you need to pick better battles but I'll let you win this one b/c I'm in no mood to fight over someone so inconsequential.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 15:37:50 GMT -5
I think we need to move on from this specific topic. No one in the conversation is purposefully trying to cause any issues, but let's refocus for the time being. Billboard is also reporting that yesterday was literally the last day of her contractual obligations to the group, so she left at the first second she could. It took me an hour to type my last post so I want to apologize b/c I seriously didn't see this before hitting submit. I will try to remember to hit refresh in the future!
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Post by Kishi KCM on Dec 19, 2016 16:32:59 GMT -5
I strongly believe they knew she was leaving. I do know it's going to be hard for her solo and them as a group to move forward. They should've carefully thought this out before going public about it.
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Post by The Music Man on Dec 19, 2016 16:37:07 GMT -5
I guess we can call Camila "Miss Movin' On," AMIRITE?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 16:46:08 GMT -5
I'm more concerned over her racism than about her race. I don't care about what race you are. Ignorant is ignorant and her comments that were brought to light by the hacks show a ignorant girl so why again you surprised she didn't even tell her group she was leaving. Good luck solo lol. The road to unemployment is littered by people who thought they could do it solo.
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Post by Glove Slap on Dec 19, 2016 17:00:44 GMT -5
Didn't she also not re-sign their contracts last year when the others did (not 100% sure about this)? The signs were all there.
I mean, don't get me wrong, she is a s**t for not telling them in person, and also gutting what fans they have by the exact timing (at least wait until after X-mas and do it respectfully). But if they didn't know or didn't expect it, it just makes them look stupid.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Dec 19, 2016 17:01:23 GMT -5
I don't doubt that they were told via her reps. That doesn't mean they didn't talk to her about the possibility. It's one thing to discuss this and another to have it dropped on you sooner than expected. I feel the latter is what happened.
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Post by Dylan :) on Dec 19, 2016 17:20:27 GMT -5
I'm trying not to pass any judgement on what happened until more comes out (earlier I saw a lot complaining she was being bullied, now their management is the problem)
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Post by 14887fan on Dec 19, 2016 17:33:22 GMT -5
It is incredibly easy to blame management/labels for basically anything that ever goes wrong, and some of that (^) might carry some truth, but that entire read came across as a person in Twitter who has a stan account and tried their best to sound educated enough to get other fan accounts to retweet it thousands of times. Libel is written defamation; not a contractual infringement. Child Labor laws are more complex than "mom and dad signed this paper so I'm good"/otherwise.
Basically, what I'm saying is to not believe a person on Twitter that's trying to explain contractual and social legalities when their account name has a crown emoji in it and whose bio is "thick thighs save lives."
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Post by Glove Slap on Dec 19, 2016 17:38:39 GMT -5
account name whose bio is "thick thighs save lives." Especially when it's the closest thing to the truth on that page.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 17:40:46 GMT -5
And a child in Senegal and or Malaysia is side eyeing child labour in the same sentence as a bunch of girls who were given money, fancy clothing, flown around the world , able to have nice housing and good hotels and they don't even have to be particularly good at their craft or work as hard.
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Post by Nick on Dec 19, 2016 20:24:26 GMT -5
There are white Cubans and afro-Cubans - and at least three different cans of worms within that - but duly noted. Cuban Keri it is...no one is going to make room for that, either. It is wildly offensive to respond to my message that she is Cuban with your response, which seems to imply that there are levels of Cubanness, and that since she is presumably on the "white" side, that she is not as Cuban. As a Cuban, I don't make the distinction you just made. Please try and be a little more mindful of the way you treat other cultures. Just my two cents. Lucille Ball married a Cuban, but I guess that's irrelevant to this thread. :)
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Post by Active Aggressive on Dec 19, 2016 20:30:54 GMT -5
The last couple pages have been the first time I have seen the names of these girls and I can neither pick them out in a line-up nor tell you who sings what on the two songs I know of theirs, but I wish them all the best.
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Post by think pink. on Dec 20, 2016 0:06:00 GMT -5
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Post by switch on Dec 20, 2016 0:21:35 GMT -5
MESS.
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Post by Gray. on Dec 20, 2016 0:29:39 GMT -5
Given the darkness of the world right now, this petty drama is filling me with joy, and I have truly never cared more about Fifth Harmony. This is everything.
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Post by maine on Dec 20, 2016 1:10:51 GMT -5
lmaoooo I'm living for this mess
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Post by fire on Dec 20, 2016 2:15:13 GMT -5
Though this is messy, nothing will ever top how danity kane broke up...
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Dec 20, 2016 3:04:48 GMT -5
I love a good "No, no, no bitch" rebutle
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Post by Glove Slap on Dec 20, 2016 3:08:52 GMT -5
Though this is messy, nothing will ever top how danity kane broke up... Nothing will top the girl from 3LW getting chicken and mashed potatoes thrown at her head.
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