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Post by AP on Dec 20, 2016 6:55:48 GMT -5
This is a lot of drama for a mediocre girl group with tepid success.
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Post by Kishi KCM on Dec 20, 2016 7:24:31 GMT -5
Chyle, the petty in me feels like Ally and Normani wrote this.
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Post by #brayden on Dec 20, 2016 8:13:50 GMT -5
"The four of us recognize that we would be NOTHING without Fifth Harmony..."
The shade...
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Post by Kishi KCM on Dec 21, 2016 9:01:36 GMT -5
Their management is a mess. I feel that the first "letter" posted on Instagram was a bad move. It was impersonal and shady. The second note was better and more detailed, but unnecessary.
Camila shouldn't have responded with a letter either. I think as a fan, knowing ahead of time would've been better.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Dec 21, 2016 22:17:23 GMT -5
It'd be interesting to know how much money these girls are making. Danity Kane girls claimed they hardly made any money and that their label screwed them over with their contracts.
If they aren't at least millionaires individually by now, then I get why Camilla left and even support her decision. Labels take advantage of situations like these. However, if they are paid well and she's just trying to pull a JT/Beyoncé then she's shady as hell
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Dec 22, 2016 1:03:16 GMT -5
Camila really thinks she's someone. Sis, bc you a feature on a song that's only successful bc your main part (the hook) is pretty much lifted from an older hit should not spell out SOLO CAREER BOUND to you.
Kelly Rowland debuted with a huge feature on a long-running #1 hit from an actually successful girl group and her musical career (in terms of success) has been lackluster af. So, idk what this mediocre chipmunk thinks she's getting herself into.
The Billboard article with quotes from insiders on both sides really does her no favors either.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 1:39:04 GMT -5
Forget Kelly she is in a whole other talent pool even Nicole Shdhfhfjgjinger who sings and dances better can't buy a solo hit. This girl will at best be known as that girl from 5h and I don't even know how much weight that caries lol
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Post by fire on Dec 22, 2016 3:30:15 GMT -5
It'd be interesting to know how much money these girls are making. Danity Kane girls claimed they hardly made any money and that their label screwed them over with their contracts. If they aren't at least millionaires individually by now, then I get why Camilla left and even support her decision. Labels take advantage of situations like these. However, if they are paid well and she's just trying to pull a JT/Beyoncé then she's shady as hell This is a good question! I always wondered...they have two big hits, but their sales haven't really been all that. So i guess if they made some money, it must've come through touring?
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Post by Call Me Crazy on Dec 22, 2016 10:43:18 GMT -5
It'd be interesting to know how much money these girls are making. Danity Kane girls claimed they hardly made any money and that their label screwed them over with their contracts. If they aren't at least millionaires individually by now, then I get why Camilla left and even support her decision. Labels take advantage of situations like these. However, if they are paid well and she's just trying to pull a JT/Beyoncé then she's shady as hell This is a good question! I always wondered...they have two big hits, but their sales haven't really been all that. So i guess if they made some money, it must've come through touring? In the recent audio leak from Lauren talking to Ally - it's clear they aren't seeing any of the money from their success. She states they are treated like slaves and aren't seeing any return from their work. It's sad, but I'm sure they got screwed.
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Post by kanimal on Dec 22, 2016 13:16:30 GMT -5
Yesterday's Billboard piece says that Epic has been prepping Camila's debut album for a while, and it'll likely be a bigger priority than the Fifth Harmony album next year. "5H3" may, per the article, not even happen as the label hasn't yet picked up the option.
This just goes to show you the absurdity of these "insiders." A few days ago, didn't a "source" claim that Camila blew off a meeting personally arranged by LA Reid?
But if this new story is true - and the label really IS behind the "Camila as a solo act" move - then I think it puts a different dimension on the debate. It becomes less of a "who does Camila think she is - and why is she leaving when the group is as hot as ever" and more of a "the label sees Camila as the star of this project and wants to cash in on that star power."
It's also interesting to see the discrepancy between the sentiment here versus the media/"industry." Here (and in similar online communities), it seems the consensus is "Camila is the devil, and she's about to flop" whereas the media/artists who are taking sides generally seem to be Team Camila. And those who aren't Team Camila tend to be neutral - I'm not seeing too many industry notables criticizing her.
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Post by SHOOTER on Dec 22, 2016 13:38:12 GMT -5
They are definitely not millionaires and probably not even raking in six figures especially considering the fact they aren't primary songwriters of their work. Touring and endorsements (do they have any?) are what contributes to whatever checks they are getting but they most likely have a 360 deal like every other artist these days so they'd still be getting screwed. A friend of mine was just discussing how the major label she was signed with is still "recouping" from the revenue generated by the one album she made with them 15 years ago - and we're talking millions generated in revenue from an album that didn't sell very much at all. So I can only imagine how little these girls are making in comparison to what's being generated from their massive streams, ticket sales and what record sales they are making.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 18:02:03 GMT -5
Yesterday's Billboard piece says that Epic has been prepping Camila's debut album for a while, and it'll likely be a bigger priority than the Fifth Harmony album next year. "5H3" may, per the article, not even happen as the label hasn't yet picked up the option. This just goes to show you the absurdity of these "insiders." A few days ago, didn't a "source" claim that Camila blew off a meeting personally arranged by LA Reid? But if this new story is true - and the label really IS behind the "Camila as a solo act" move - then I think it puts a different dimension on the debate. It becomes less of a "who does Camila think she is - and why is she leaving when the group is as hot as ever" and more of a "the label sees Camila as the star of this project and wants to cash in on that star power." It's also interesting to see the discrepancy between the sentiment here versus the media/"industry." Here (and in similar online communities), it seems the consensus is "Camila is the devil, and she's about to flop" whereas the media/artists who are taking sides generally seem to be Team Camila. And those who aren't Team Camila tend to be neutral - I'm not seeing too many industry notables criticizing her. The remaining girls themselves said they tried to set up a meeting which Camila blew off; I don't think they would lie about that. With that said, if the label has known for a while they're going to promote a solo Camila album, it explains why she didn't feel she needed to show up to that meeting or to anything else set up with the intent of holding the group together. If anything, it points to LA as the true shady one (although that should hardly be surprising to anyone, both LA specifically and labels in general); he led the other four to believe the label would try to intervene for the greater good of the group. I still think Camila handled the lack of communication poorly, but I also think she's receiving advice that has led her to think that is acceptable. More and more it looks like 4H got completely written off by Epic and Camila just happens to be the only one benefiting from the result of that - the label picked their breakout and are basically throwing the group away. I feel bad for them (Lauren, Ally, Normani, Dinah) because it's hard to give your blessing to one person's solo attempt when it becomes apparent that said attempt is coming at the direct expense of your entire career as it currently exists. I think there's also some back and forth over whether the idea of a solo project with Camila still being in the group was on the table; but let's be real, very rarely does the solo breakout return to the group after that first taste of success. They needed a guarantee that Camila would give them one more album so they could go out on a high note and every individual would have a bit of a boost going into any future endeavors. An early 2017 5H3 followed by a fall release from Camila would have tied things up very neatly, but Camila (or the label) had no interest in entertaining the group one more second than necessary. It's been obvious even before this that Camila will have Epic's full backing so that isn't the issue with her potentially flopping; it's more so, will she live up to the hype that the label sees in her? I see hit single potential, but I don't see a bona fide star there. Nonetheless, it's not surprising to me that industry insiders would tilt toward team Camila - they're looking at it from a business perspective, not a moral one. If she only does as well as where 5H is now, 1 person is less expensive (ergo, carries a bigger profit margin) than five. I remember reading that a long time ago, US labels eventually stopped checking for groups for the most part b/c they cost more. Out of curiosity, what do you think the odds of 4H being picked up by another label would be, if Epic chooses to drop them?
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Dec 22, 2016 23:30:08 GMT -5
I think they are highly likely to get picked up if that were to happen. They all have a strong social media presence and they aren't flopping by any means. With a rebranding campaign to boot I could see them being successful. It could also be hindered based on the trademarking of the "Harmony" name.
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Post by think pink. on Dec 22, 2016 23:41:28 GMT -5
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Post by felipe on Dec 23, 2016 7:27:46 GMT -5
I see articles mentioning Camilla as a fan favorite, but was she though? I remember her being somewhat a fan favorite during the Better Together EP era, but since Reflection I've seen mostly negative comments about her, not only about her voice but mainly things like she was trying to outshine the other girls, she overdid her runs just to get more attention, she felt more special than the rest of the group, and so on. So it seemed to me most fans were already resentful towards Camilla, as she seemed to feel superior than everyone else.
Am I missing something? Was she really a fan favorite?
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Dec 23, 2016 7:32:41 GMT -5
Given the online reaction to her leaving, it'd be tough to sell her as a fan favorite. She's either a love or hate. Very little in between.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Dec 23, 2016 18:52:57 GMT -5
I always hated Camilla from the start. She looks like a spoiled brat. You could see her ego getting bigger the moment Demi told her she was the star of the group on Xfactor.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Dec 23, 2016 20:29:56 GMT -5
I always hated Camilla from the start. She looks like a spoiled brat. You could see her ego getting bigger the moment Demi told her she was the star of the group on Xfactor. Imagine where we'd be right now if Khloe weren't being a messy af host that night by badgering Demi to single out a girl.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Dec 24, 2016 0:08:59 GMT -5
You know what the real gag is... this is 1 of 3 concerts I'm taking my two oldest nieces for their Christmas present. I bought the tickets for the San Antonio Rodeo when they first came up because they are fans, and Ally is from here, but with this news they better still perform. The look on their faces if a country act replaces their date would be meme worthy.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Dec 26, 2016 11:43:21 GMT -5
I feel like one of these girls is gonna end up going solo and snatching everyone, so I'll stay perched for that. Nostradamus. However, I don't see Camila snatching anything, so I rebuke it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2016 15:45:43 GMT -5
You know what the real gag is... Stop trying to make the gag happen, Keke. It's not going to happen.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Dec 26, 2016 20:58:00 GMT -5
You know what the real gag is... Stop trying to make the gag happen, Keke. It's not going to happen. Don't call me that culture vulture.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2016 22:15:27 GMT -5
Stop trying to make the gag happen, Keke. It's not going to happen. Don't call me that culture vulture. Bitch don't let this TV make you think that you know Keke! 😩😩🙌🏻🔥🔥
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Post by Kishi KCM on Dec 27, 2016 11:57:46 GMT -5
A week and some change later, I'm still not happy about Camila leaving. I enjoy the band. It's still too soon. But I'll still be supporting all of the girls.
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Post by mamaloveme on Dec 30, 2016 12:46:46 GMT -5
I just hope Camela flop so hard, that's all I care and 4H will smash over her
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Post by Kishi KCM on Dec 30, 2016 12:58:10 GMT -5
I miss these times. :(
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 15:30:00 GMT -5
Personally I always thought Normani or Lauren was the fan faved, Camila just the love or hate member of the group, IMO she is hate
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Post by Kishi KCM on Dec 30, 2016 20:35:48 GMT -5
Personally I always thought Normani or Lauren was the fan faved, Camila just the love or hate member of the group, IMO she is hate Those three are definitely the most popular, with Camila always being the most polarizing member.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 0:19:41 GMT -5
So I literally just found out from a friend yesterday that Lauren is also Cuban. Can these girls start waving some flags or something? Or is this just evidence of how deeply I never checked for any of them until this era? When people would talk about how great it is that the group repped so much ethnicity I always figured they were talking about Ally, Dinah, and Normani and it would just remind me of how much I miss Danity Kane before they imploded.
I don't care if Camila is successful or not - it's obvious the label plans to put money behind her, so even if her success is just mild and/or fleeting the odds of it being entirely nonexistent are low - but I find myself massively rooting for 4H to do well all of a sudden despite that whole not checking for them thing. Their group chemistry is actually better off post-Camila (she was always polarizing and her style didn't gel well with the others) and with the group just starting to break through commercially, it would be a shame to see four careers needlessly thrown under the bus. But I live in a world full of rainbows and lollipops where everybody has a fan and it's entirely possible for everyone to win on some level. Most labels don't seem to be here for that craziness.
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Post by Kishi KCM on Dec 31, 2016 1:00:48 GMT -5
You weren't checking for them, because Lauren and Camila have been VERY vocal about their Cuban background. Lauren was born in Miami and Camila was born in Havana. When she was outed, she stated that she's a bisexual Cuban American and proud of it.
Their Better Together EP has a Spanish version and a Spanish acoustic version too.
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