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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 3, 2018 13:49:15 GMT -5
hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=310380Saturday, February 3, 2018 NEW RELEASES: JT'S KICKOFFBased on early reads after one full day of sales, with extremely limited info available today, Justin Timberlake’s Man of the Woods (RCA) looks headed to the 300-350k range. Will his Super Bowl halftime performance tomorrow send the total to 400k or above? We’ll update on Monday with the initial reaction and then again on Tuesday when we’ve been able to see how physical sales (including his Target-exclusive deluxe CD and vinyl) react. Stay tuned.
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Post by Glove Slap on Feb 3, 2018 14:16:10 GMT -5
The gap on the UK midweeks is apparently only 40 copies (streaming was never going to be on his side), but the SB effect will be felt there as well (it got Coldplay's last album to the top spot several weeks after its release).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 14:24:35 GMT -5
The tink pieces about the backlash have started: Takedown Culture Has Come For Justin Timberlake, And It’s Becoming ExhaustingOn Thursday, one day before Justin Timberlake was set to release his new, not-country album Man Of The Woods, Pitchfork ran a news story revealing that Toby Keith was credited as a songwriter on the album. The article admits that they didn’t know in what manner Keith was involved, aside from one of many writers on the song “Sauce.” But, through several paragraphs detailing Keith’s history of Republican and Trump dealings, the point of the article was very clear: Justin Timberlake worked with someone affiliated with Donald Trump, and this is a bad thing.Obviously, there are many reasons Toby Keith could be a credited songwriter. Maybe he and Timberlake are buds who go shooting together in their Make America Great hats, or maybe Timberlake just accidentally lifted a melody and was legally forced to credit him. Maybe the song was the product of years of songwriting from various musicians and eventually handed to him by his label to finish off. When this news story was published, the answer to this wasn’t readily available, but it still led to a framing like this:This is only one of many examples across the media landscape of a determination to take down Justin Timberlake. Maybe that’s a little too dramatic, but it’s hard to ignore that the writing has been on the wall for this album cycle that his schtick is not welcome in 2018. And, to be fair, in the eyes of many critics and journalists, it might be deserved. Though Timberlake was in good graces for most of his solo career, things changed sharply with the second 20/20 Experience release, and even further with his catchy-as-hell, cornball Trolls song. This isn’t a Pitchfork conspiracy or even a media conspiracy, but simply a reflection of a current cultural moment, where backlashes are predictable, safe spaces to unleash aggression borne out of a nightmarish political climate. In Stereogum’s coverage of the same story, the writer responsible for the post summed up the mindset that comes with possibly unfair mudslinging. Those Stereogum comments, generally one of the most spirited and insightful comment sections on the internet, bring up a wealth of points, with many feeling like this Trump connection is a bit of a reach. Dig deep enough into any album and you’ll find someone had a hand in it that has opposing political views as you. It’s probably a stretch to say that supporting Timberlake is in some way supporting Trump. If you want to tear someone down, you can. It’s not hard. And if they are millionaires, all the better.Sure, Timberlake hasn’t done much to help himself. His flannel-on-flannel getup, his backwoods tracklist, and his Bon Iver-meditation retreat press photos didn’t help the matter. Plus, there’s the fact that he’s playing the Super Bowl on Sunday, which immediately highlights maybe the biggest controversy in his past, when he exposed Janet Jackson’s breast in 2004 and didn’t receive his fair share of the blame. But none of that quite adds up to the ire he’s received, where even a stunning video for “Say Something” doesn’t manage to get any credit. For the last several months, Justin Timberlake has felt like the enemy, the latest in a line of pop artists to focus a collective American angst.Over the past calendar year, there’s been a number of similar takedowns, where artists like Taylor Swift, Arcade Fire, and Katy Perry all wound up on the losing end of an angry internet. One thing that ties all these artists together is that they released career bad albums while still at the height of their popularity. So, it makes sense that people would love to see these mighty fall on their face. But when a culture is actively rooting for failure, and amplifying even the flimsiest of transgressions as if they were mortal sins, what does that say about the culture as a whole?For Arcade Fire, it felt like destiny ever since they rolled out Reflektor with an over-wrought campaign, and it hurt more that they didn’t seem to learn from their mistakes on Everything Now. But the tone of the critiques felt highly personal and joyful, not the voices of fans that were disappointed by one of their favorites falling short, but of vipers waiting to strike at the first sign of weakness. For Katy Perry, it felt a long time coming for someone that could claim to be the most followed person on Twitter. Maybe what links her and Arcade Fire was a desire to make music for the masses that made big statements, and neither following through with that the surefootedness that’s required to do so. Perry’s “purposeful pop” branding seemed dead on arrival, and decisions like a Big Brother-esque live stream and an appearance with Migos on SNL that felt particularly exploitive wound up with Perry’s Witness stuck in both the commercial and critical mud. For Taylor Swift, things got particularly bad for her as soon as Kim Kardashian and Kanye West released the audio of a phone call that Swift claimed to never exist. Suddenly, her cool squad that included Lorde and Haim just an album cycle previously were nowhere to be seen, and Swift’s reputation receiving a fate that was written before anyone had even heard a song. Swift is still so massive that every critic in the world couldn’t take her down if they tried, but issues like her political silence didn’t earn her any good graces, even if it does feel a little weird to demand political transparency from a musician. Under the Trump presidency, Swift is a villain for a different reason than Perry or Arcade Fire. She’s not ridiculed for saying too much. She’s hammered for not saying enough. In the end, maybe this is all just an insular phenomenon, sucking the joy out of big pop event albums for those of us whose jobs it is to cover them. When national publications write takedowns of Justin Timberlake or Taylor Swift, they aren’t speaking to their actual core fans. They are writing to those on the fringe, the same ones they’d spent the previous years convincing to pay attention to pop, now alerting that it is time to move on to whatever is next. These million dollar musicians feel disposable in the hands of the media, and it becomes hard to distinguish if these albums are even as bad as we say they are. Years from now, will it be remembered that Arcade Fire had their biggest radio hit ever with the excellent single “Everything Now” or that Taylor Swift returned to the top of the country charts as a songwriter in 2017 with Little Big Town’s “Better Man?” Probably not, because history will be written by the internet.Of course all of these artists deserve critiques for their lackluster music and, of course, they deserve it for half-baked marketing schemes. But all of these have felt like they stepped beyond that into territory that reads as vindictive. And, with so many truly terrible things being revealed on a daily basis regarding racism, sexism, harassment, and violence against women in the music industry, it’s not surprising that listeners are quick to not take anyone’s bulls**t. But let’s play a little game. On Sunday, when Timberlake takes the field in Minnesota at halftime, check out Twitter and see if people are actually reacting to the performance, or if they are flinging out jokes they’ve been pre-writing all weekend. And with Timberlake’s album release promo just about ending, the real question is who will they come for next?The worst thing about this is that Toby Keith isn't on Sauce... Damn Duca good for you getting published!
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Post by Dammn Baby on Feb 3, 2018 19:00:14 GMT -5
The melody of "Flannel" sounds like this:
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Post by adamalterlago on Feb 3, 2018 19:22:27 GMT -5
The melody of "Flannel" sounds like this: HOLY S**T it really does 💀💀💀💀
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Post by Active Aggressive on Feb 3, 2018 19:55:34 GMT -5
The worst thing about this is that Toby Keith isn't on Sauce... He is officially credited but only because Sauce samples one of his songs from 2005.
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Post by Keelzit on Feb 4, 2018 6:26:24 GMT -5
Eventhough I kind of despise JT, I can appreciate the idea behind this album. I love country music and I also love urban music so, on paper, JT seemed like the perfect candidate capable of blending these two polar opposite genres and creating a new sound but I don't think he quite nailed it. There are moments where I truly live for the production but that's the only redeeming factor about the album. The only song I enjoy as a whole is Flannel but I think the highest points of the album are Filthy's 100k capacity stadium instrumental and Supplies' bridge's instrumental.
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Post by tinawina on Feb 4, 2018 8:39:51 GMT -5
I blame Beyoncé. She was the first big star of the modern era to depart from their previous formula. Now everyone is doing it.
I always appreciate when big pop stars try something new but for the love of God, can anyone not sound like the musical equivalent of playing dress up? These folks stay reaching out their lane into genres that highlight their weaknesses.
Justin, you don’t have the lyrics or sense of melody or emotive voice for county/folk. Taylor, you are not edgy and don’t do a convincing bad girl so stop trying to be Halsey. Katy, you are not deep, everything about you screams “let me put cotton candy on my boobs and make goofy faces”.
Do better people. Ugh.
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Post by Glove Slap on Feb 4, 2018 8:53:15 GMT -5
I blame Beyoncé. She was the first big star of the modern era to depart from their previous formula. Now everyone is doing it. I always appreciate when big pop stars try something new but for the love of God, can anyone not sound like the musical equivalent of playing dress up? These folks stay reaching out their lane into genres that highlight their weaknesses. Justin, you don’t have the lyrics or sense of melody or emotive voice for county/folk. Taylor, you are not edgy and don’t do a convincing bad girl so stop trying to be Halsey. Katy, you are not deep, everything about you screams “let me put cotton candy on my boobs and make goofy faces”. Do better people. Ugh. This has nothing to do with anyone's opinion of any song (or album), but the outlook you two exhibit across the board in thesethis post is just abysmal and horrific. Nobody should be required to just do the same thing over and over again. If you want to listen to material that sounds like their old work (or formula), just listen to the old work.
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Post by tinawina on Feb 4, 2018 9:16:18 GMT -5
Nope. Not falling for it. Some people change lanes and do it well. Some people change lanes and make bad choices. We are on a run of the latter lately. Not gonna sugar coat it. Justin tried it and the result is frustrating IMO.
I get excited to hear something different and keep getting rewarded with a pile of confusing meh.
This album is not good.
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Post by 85la on Feb 4, 2018 16:36:03 GMT -5
Justin has stated this album is not a country album. Just because the title is Man of the Woods, that doesn't necessarily imply it has to all be country/folksy. We all know that many album titles, as well as certain images promoted, are extremely banal and can have nothing to do with the actual music. Yes, in a perfect world it would be nice and I would rather the album title aligned more closely with the themes of the music, but at the end of the day, if I like the songs themselves, the title doesn't mean jack s**t.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 21:13:37 GMT -5
I can't wait till Sunday. I know that if all else fails and this era turns out to be a success twitter is going to DRAG HIM for the superbowl and it's going to be a glorious slaughter. BETTER THAN I COULD OF EVER HOPED FOR
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Post by Snowbeast on Feb 4, 2018 21:45:01 GMT -5
Yawn. After years of divas BRINGING it, I was underwhelmed and bored. Like do something that will make people talk. #whereisthehologram
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Post by It's me, bitch. on Feb 4, 2018 22:55:02 GMT -5
Guesses for SuperBowl: Rock Your Body SexyBack Suit and Tie Mirrors Can’t Stop the Feeling Filthy I AM GOOD.
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Post by Dalliance on Feb 4, 2018 23:35:34 GMT -5
I approve so greatly of society's willingness to examine JT more critically now than it has for most of the past 15 years, during which time he benefited mightily from some #strangenewrespect to become an almost untouchable pop star (right up there with Bey).
The criticism he's enduring tonight for the Janet slight is heartening, as is the widely accepted view that his performance was meh.
I haven't listened to the new album, but assuming the marketing is irony-free, it's among the cheesiest, most shocking and transparently cheap gimmicks I have ever seen; I cringed when I heard about the "going back to the woods" trope and I keep cringing every time I think about it. Who does he think he's fooling and/or impressing?
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Post by Snowbeast on Feb 4, 2018 23:44:21 GMT -5
Guesses for SuperBowl: Rock Your Body SexyBack Suit and Tie Mirrors Can’t Stop the Feeling Filthy I AM GOOD. Yes...but when news broke he would be going solo, those are all kind of given lol. Really- What else would he sing in place of those?
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Post by 85la on Feb 4, 2018 23:59:56 GMT -5
I approve so greatly of society's willingness to examine JT more critically now than it has for most of the past 15 years, during which time he benefited mightily from some #strangenewrespect to become an almost untouchable pop star (right up there with Bey). The criticism he's enduring tonight for the Janet slight is heartening, as is the widely accepted view that his performance was meh. I haven't listened to the new album, but assuming the marketing is irony-free, it's among the cheesiest, most shocking and transparently cheap gimmicks I have ever seen; I cringed when I heard about the "going back to the woods" trope and I keep cringing every time I think about it. Who does he think he's fooling and/or impressing? This. Your criticism is completely irrelevant because of that.
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Feb 5, 2018 0:17:59 GMT -5
I haven't listened to the new album, but assuming the marketing is irony-free, it's among the cheesiest, most shocking and transparently cheap gimmicks I have ever seen; I cringed when I heard about the "going back to the woods" trope and I keep cringing every time I think about it. Who does he think he's fooling and/or impressing? You are aware that his son's name, Silas, literally means "of the forest" in Latin. The last song on the album ties it all together.
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Post by Music Fan on Feb 5, 2018 0:21:11 GMT -5
Is it weird that all this anto-JT sentiment (on here, bc honestly social media isn't "dragging him" as much as people on here are making it seem) is low key making me want to become a JT stan?
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Post by tinawina on Feb 5, 2018 0:26:22 GMT -5
I haven't listened to the new album, but assuming the marketing is irony-free, it's among the cheesiest, most shocking and transparently cheap gimmicks I have ever seen; I cringed when I heard about the "going back to the woods" trope and I keep cringing every time I think about it. Who does he think he's fooling and/or impressing? You’re not that far off IMO..The album starts out fine, the first few songs are electo funk I guess? But they work. A.few songs in the whole folky vibe starts getting incorporated and things just get strange. It veers from clumsily sampling Americana type stuff over hip hop ish beats to Justin recording what are supposed to be folky ballads I guess but they are just bad with even worse lyrics. He doesn’t know the first thing about sounding credible in this genre and it shows IMO. That said the closer he stays to blues the better it works. The Chris Stapleton song is good and the duet with Alicia Keys is fine. And the stuff that is straight up modern funk doesn’t suck even if its not as good as his past muSic. The problem is he clearly thinks he did some groundbreaking genre blending album (hence the marketing) when all he did was make experimentsal demos he should have discarded. And some Future Sex outtakes that aren’t offensive but aren’t particularly memorable either. I am very disappointed.. I’ve liked his past work and even enjoyed the troll song lol but this is indulgent trash IMO. His ego needs checking.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Feb 5, 2018 0:51:59 GMT -5
Tonight was a good night! : )
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Post by It's me, bitch. on Feb 5, 2018 1:28:43 GMT -5
Yes...but when news broke he would be going solo, those are all kind of given lol. Really- What else would he sing in place of those? Say something. lol
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Post by Snowbeast on Feb 5, 2018 3:38:20 GMT -5
Really good performance on Jimmy Fallon.
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Post by adamalterlago on Feb 5, 2018 6:37:11 GMT -5
I can't hate. He killed it.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Feb 5, 2018 7:15:10 GMT -5
Is it weird that all this anto-JT sentiment (on here, bc honestly social media isn't "dragging him" as much as people on here are making it seem) is low key making me want to become a JT stan? Weird? No. Sad? Yes. Just makes you a contrarian sheep. So much cooler than the rest of us I'm sure! The performance was average at best. He's going to come out of this relatively unscathed, but it certainly wasn't enough to wash the stink off of this era.
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Post by shoocoochoocoo on Feb 5, 2018 9:50:12 GMT -5
Justin is one of my favourite artists but he is not a teenager anymore, still Filthy seems to go in that direction... Fortunately, there is that great song with Chris Stapleton. And then, there was last night, a total mess of a show. Such a wasted opportunity for him to SING and SHINE..
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Feb 5, 2018 10:44:15 GMT -5
The day after Superbowl and not even one song in the top 20 on Spotify. I wonder what's up?
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Post by Duca on Feb 5, 2018 10:49:52 GMT -5
Just announced the European and another North American tour leg!
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Post by Glove Slap on Feb 5, 2018 10:51:33 GMT -5
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Post by Duca on Feb 5, 2018 11:01:52 GMT -5
Katy is #1 and she drew a 48.2. Viewership later.
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