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Post by onebuffalo on May 12, 2016 9:09:50 GMT -5
31 = KELSEA BALLERINI Peter Pan 1779 +73 237 +92 10.657 +0.396 44 52 31 1779 335 10.657 climbing steadily!! she can be the third biggest female country act next to carrie and miranda! Unless Miranda Lambert comes back with a killer lead single from an upcoming CD (studio or greatest hits package), I could see Kelsea Ballerini being second to Carrie Underwood in terms of chart success. At the rate Ballerini is going, I'll be adding her name to the list of those artists with the most #1s BEFORE Lambert's. The only thing keeping Lambert afloat is her 'billion' wins in the Female Vocalist categories from various organizations.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 22, 2016 12:33:28 GMT -5
Ballerini is annoying and needs to be thanking her label for the #1s she wouldn't otherwise have. Those other ladies she mentions have not had consistent hits at radio despite solid sales.
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 22, 2016 13:22:20 GMT -5
Ballerini is annoying and needs to be thanking her label for the #1s she wouldn't otherwise have. Those other ladies she mentions have not had consistent hits at radio despite solid sales. I fail to see anything wrong with Kelsea Ballerini sharing some camaraderie about the other ladies scoring hits, and faulting her for not instead thanking her label, which I'm sure she is highly grateful to, is pretty ridiculous based on this one little snippet. Also, I'll be one of the first to defend and say that women should absolutely be played more on country radio, and I can't find any serious faults in the way any of these women have been treated by radio thus far. Maddie & Tae followed up their big hit with another Top 10, and even though it came nowhere close to hitting the top, the very act of it reaching the Top 10 was a HUGE accomplishment in itself. "Shut Up and Fish" sounded like a slam dunk smash to me and many others here, but when it came down to it, it wound up selling poorly and got lousy callout scores... unfortunate and disheartening, but it's no surprise looking at the numbers why it missed the Top 20. Maren Morris hasn't even gotten a follow-up single yet and "My Church" has done very well, and Cam's "Burning House" did amazingly well but "Mayday" is off to a slower start probably because of a combination of it being another slower song and it not selling *that* well, certainly not the way "Burning House" did.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 22, 2016 14:18:07 GMT -5
Ballerini is annoying and needs to be thanking her label for the #1s she wouldn't otherwise have. Those other ladies she mentions have not had consistent hits at radio despite solid sales. I fail to see anything wrong with Kelsea Ballerini sharing some camaraderie about the other ladies scoring hits, and faulting her for not instead thanking her label, which I'm sure she is highly grateful to, is pretty ridiculous based on this one little snippet. My gripe is with the fact that things aren't really all that better for women in country music right now. Yes, a few female acts had a hit, but their follow-ups are not doing well. Ballerini is the only newer female artist to have multiple hits, but that's because of her label. For her to suggest there isn't an issue re: females in country is asinine. You can talk about sales all you want, but plenty of male artists get radio hits without strong sales. We all know things are still really tough for females in the country industry. Also, "My Church" has had much stronger sales than "Dibs" yet not as good of airplay.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 14:34:30 GMT -5
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 22, 2016 14:51:12 GMT -5
I fail to see anything wrong with Kelsea Ballerini sharing some camaraderie about the other ladies scoring hits, and faulting her for not instead thanking her label, which I'm sure she is highly grateful to, is pretty ridiculous based on this one little snippet. My gripe is with the fact that things aren't really all that better for women in country music right now. Yes, a few female acts had a hit, but their follow-ups are not doing well. Ballerini is the only newer female artist to have multiple hits, but that's because of her label. For her to suggest there isn't an issue re: females in country is asinine. You can talk about sales all you want, but plenty of male artists get radio hits without strong sales. We all know things are still really tough for females in the country industry. Also, "My Church" has had much stronger sales than "Dibs" yet not as good of airplay. 1) She never said that women have it easy anywhere in that quote you shared, so you're really reaching with that statement that there is "no issue." It's completely factual that in the past calendar year women have had it better than they did in the handful of years preceding it, and Kelsea Ballerini herself is great proof of that. Ignoring that some artists in question haven't even released their follow-ups or are early in the run of them, she has had the most consistent success of the new females... so? You seem upset that more women aren't being treated to multiple country radio hits, and your response is to go after one of the few women who has and try to read something into a, quite frankly, very sweet and thoughtful quote, that isn't there? Where's the logic in that? That's one of my biggest issues with people and the way they react to female artists in that they must be constantly pit against one another or compared to one another in ways that men rarely ever are. It's frustrating to see it happen time and time again. 2) Some male artists score bigger hits than they deserve by being male artists, but usually they still have to sell pretty well to make it anywhere close to the top. We've had some lighter-selling #1 hits and songs that came close to it over the years from male artists, but they're definitely not a majority: most of the songs that turn into hits are decent sellers. 3) This is common knowledge. No one, Kelsea Ballerini included, has said to my knowledge that women are now more successful than men in the country music industry. If you can provide me with quotes of people saying that, I'd be very interested to see those. All Kelsea said is that radio has been very good to her and three other female acts, all of which have been treated quite well by radio. Cam had one of the biggest hits of the year, M&T have done very well, and "My Church" is doing very well (and if it peaks lower than "Dibs" did despite lower sales, it's because of iffy callout reception and an onslaught of A-list releases that have continuously been passing her for the past 2 months or so). If you don't like Kelsea Ballerini or her music, that's fine, but don't go reading between the lines trying to find a controversy in the tamest of comments.
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Post by sbp17 on May 22, 2016 15:18:54 GMT -5
I don't see how jenglisble is pitting females against females in his response. And Kelsea shouldn't be immune to criticisms just because she's one of the very few females that is being played on country radio. I personally do not feel Kelsea is a good consolation prize from radio.
Anyway, in the interview, she also says in reference to females..."I just think country radio has embraced us" and "there's a huge wave of us on the radio right now". I don't blame her for not wanting to bite the hand that's feeding her but it is hardly as rosy a picture as she's painting. I also think it could be a disservice to females for the one that's finding consistent airplay to downplay an issue that still very much exists. I think she could have acknowledged that there's room for more females on radio and still not come across as bashing radio or being ungrateful.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on May 22, 2016 18:36:25 GMT -5
My read of the Kelsea comments quoted is the same as sbp17 -- her comments run uncomfortably close to "Problem? What problem? Nothing to see here! You media types are just stirring something up over nothing." It would have been nice if Kelsea's comments acknowledged progress without diminishing the importance of ongoing attention to, discussion of and effort to redress what is very much an ongoing problem with gender imbalance at country radio. Martina McBride recently warned about the danger of complacency, the danger of just being satisfied that a few new females are breaking through, and I tend to agree with her there. That said, my impression of Kelsea is that she has been openly complimentary of a number of her female peers and that she has embraced the idea that solidarity among females and positive focus on their progress will breed more progress. And with respect to radio programmers, she would be correct, I think, to feel that one attracts more flies with honey than vinegar. So I tend to think the quoted comments from Kelsea were just a not-ideally phrased attempt to promote the idea of female momentum at radio, not an effort to push the issue under the rug.
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Post by maine on May 23, 2016 17:45:25 GMT -5
I like this one. I passed over on "Dibs" despite liking it for the most part (wasn't a fan of the post-chorus), but I like this more.
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Post by travelrocks24 on May 23, 2016 18:39:34 GMT -5
The reality is radio is playing a bias game. I am amazed that I have never heard more artists on Renegade Radio (an online station) which is based in Nashville than Sirius is playing.
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 23, 2016 22:40:51 GMT -5
My read of the Kelsea comments quoted is the same as sbp17 -- her comments run uncomfortably close to "Problem? What problem? Nothing to see here! You media types are just stirring something up over nothing." It would have been nice if Kelsea's comments acknowledged progress without diminishing the importance of ongoing attention to, discussion of and effort to redress what is very much an ongoing problem with gender imbalance at country radio. Martina McBride recently warned about the danger of complacency, the danger of just being satisfied that a few new females are breaking through, and I tend to agree with her there. That said, my impression of Kelsea is that she has been openly complimentary of a number of her female peers and that she has embraced the idea that solidarity among females and positive focus on their progress will breed more progress. And with respect to radio programmers, she would be correct, I think, to feel that one attracts more flies with honey than vinegar. So I tend to think the quoted comments from Kelsea were just a not-ideally phrased attempt to promote the idea of female momentum at radio, not an effort to push the issue under the rug. Now this I can get behind. I don't think she should be lambasted for a more positively-slanted comment, because even if there is still issues with gender disparity at country radio, I thought her approach was perfectly acceptable for what it was and I like that she name-checked a few of the other girls leading the wave right now, instead of the alternative of just thanking her label that was initially suggested.
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Post by trebor on May 25, 2016 10:50:28 GMT -5
This is a bit OT but still noteworthy. "Peter Pan" has been dominating the Australian Country airplay chart for two weeks in a row now; ...and with a considerable lead. "Dibs" was already huge but this latest track has been embraced with open arms! Very remarkable feat.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 20:48:48 GMT -5
I imagine with all the freefalling songs on the airplay chart (Maren,Old Dominion, Dustin, Dierks) Kelsea Ballerini will be getting some real heavy conversions. Heck I also won't be shocked if "Peter Pan" makes the Top 20 this week.
Also, "Peter Pan" makes the Billboard Hot 100 this week at #92.
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Post by fridayteenage on Jun 22, 2016 0:27:44 GMT -5
On country charts, songs T15 in streams + iTunes, and still rising in airplay: HOLY 1, 1, 7 Church Bells 8, 8, 4 Record Year 10, 12, 9 Head Over Boots 11, 3, 10 From the Ground Up 13, 5, 12 Peter Pan 14, 9, 19
Peter Pan looking like a much more organic hit than Dibs with its lowest position being airplay right now (along with HOLY). Here for another #1.
Huh, apparently it's already her highest charting song on Country Digital Songs, and beat Dibs in Country Streaming Songs.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jun 22, 2016 16:28:29 GMT -5
On country charts, songs T15 in streams + iTunes, and still rising in airplay: HOLY 1, 1, 7 Church Bells 8, 8, 4 Record Year 10, 12, 9 Head Over Boots 11, 3, 10 From the Ground Up 13, 5, 12 Peter Pan 14, 9, 19 Peter Pan looking like a much more organic hit than Dibs with its lowest position being airplay right now (along with HOLY). Here for another #1. Huh, apparently it's already her highest charting song on Country Digital Songs, and beat Dibs in Country Streaming Songs. Well, with Black River dropping Kellie Pickler, I hope they can turn their attention to Kelsea Ballerini. I understand her first two singles hit the top of the chart.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 22, 2016 16:32:08 GMT -5
On country charts, songs T15 in streams + iTunes, and still rising in airplay: HOLY 1, 1, 7 Church Bells 8, 8, 4 Record Year 10, 12, 9 Head Over Boots 11, 3, 10 From the Ground Up 13, 5, 12 Peter Pan 14, 9, 19 Peter Pan looking like a much more organic hit than Dibs with its lowest position being airplay right now (along with HOLY). Here for another #1. Huh, apparently it's already her highest charting song on Country Digital Songs, and beat Dibs in Country Streaming Songs. Well, with Black River dropping Kellie Pickler, I hope they can turn their attention to Kelsea Ballerini. I understand her first two singles hit the top of the chart. Their attention has been on Kelsea, really all of it since 2014 in terms of radio promotion. They likely separated mutually with Pickler.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 22, 2016 18:00:29 GMT -5
Well, with Black River dropping Kellie Pickler, I hope they can turn their attention to Kelsea Ballerini. I understand her first two singles hit the top of the chart. Their attention has been on Kelsea, really all of it since 2014 in terms of radio promotion. They likely separated mutually with Pickler. Yeah, they hadn't even released anything from Kellie Pickler to radio in the time since this girl's debut single dropped, lol. It's almost like once they got Kelsea, they turned all their focus onto her.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 18:07:39 GMT -5
Kelsea's essentially the labels Jason Aldean or Taylor Swift, where she helps the indie label get on the scene. Whether or not she has a career as successful as those two remains to be seen, but it's encouraging to see this song already up to #72 on the Hot 100, especially given how this is just now inside the Top 20, pretty impressive for this song (imo).
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 26, 2016 12:18:04 GMT -5
Nashville Country Club sent out a survey, asking feedback on two songs from subscribers.
Option 1 is "XO".
Option 2 is "Yeah Boy".
Does not mean we will get 4 singles from The First Time but they're gathering feedback in case they go for a 4th single. Kelsea's writing and setting up for her next album but it's nowhere close to being finished, so we'll see what happens here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 12:32:05 GMT -5
Out of those two options I'd prefer "XO" over "Yeah Boy" in a heartbeat. I'm not the biggest fan of "XO" (production is a little too loud for my tastes) but I like how well it's written and I like how there's a double meaning behind the title ("you're still in love with your ex, oh." Or the other meaning "you're still in love with your XO".) On the other hand, I find "Yeah Boy" to be the female version of Billy Currington's hit song a few years ago "Hey Girl" a song I never cared for, due to how many times Billy says girl. Now just replace that with how many times Kelsea says boy (not as much but still just not a fan).
I really somehow hope the title track can somehow be released as it is by far the best song on the album as Kelsea sounds so vulnerable on that song, it also doesn't hurt that Kelsea wrote the song all by herself.
"Peter Pan" meanwhile coninues to do very well as Kelsea gained about 2.5 million in audience this week and 475 spins this MB week which is very great to see.
Also, one last thing. This will more than likely be the biggest hit of this album era as "Peter Pan" has stayed in the Top 10 on the iTunes Country ever since Kelsea performed on the ACMs a couple of months ago. What is also impressive to me is the video for "Peter Pan" is starting to close in on "Dibs" for views. Just all around this song is firing on all ends, the fact that Kelsea made it into the Hot 100 before "Peter Pan" entered the country airplay Top 20 is also great and just for reference "Peter Pan" is at #72 as of last week which is very high for a song on the lower end of the Top 20.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 26, 2016 15:53:51 GMT -5
They really have a lot of great options for a fourth single if they decide to go with one, and both "XO" and "Yeah Boy" would be excellent choices for radio, imo. Would love to see another single from the project, though I'd also love to see them follow this big hit up with a lead single for the sophomore album and try to get that out next spring. <3
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Post by brinkeronline on Jun 26, 2016 15:59:19 GMT -5
XO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah Boy.
Yeah Boy is too similar to the first to singles for me. XO covers a bit of new territory, at least.
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Post by bigfan101 on Jun 26, 2016 19:27:59 GMT -5
XO for sure....I think XO should have honestly been the second single.
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Post by cufan7 on Jun 26, 2016 20:40:27 GMT -5
Like both options but just release "The First Time"
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Post by dm2081 on Jun 26, 2016 22:03:44 GMT -5
"XO" would be the smart play IMO, even though I like "Yeah Boy" better. "Yeah Boy" is just too similar to "Dibs", they need to go with something different.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 7:40:43 GMT -5
They should just stop at "Peter Pan" but I guess "XO" is better if they are going for a fourth. "Peter Pan" is the only Kelsea song I really like anyway.
"Yeah Boy" would be ripped to shreds here if it was FGL and all the "boys" were changed to "girls".
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 27, 2016 13:05:15 GMT -5
"Yeah Boy" would be ripped to shreds here if it was FGL and all the "boys" were changed to "girls". Considering "Dibs" was plenty unpopular here, I don't doubt that many would express dissatisfaction with that one as well. But comments like this are totally unnecessary and don't contribute to healthy discussion. If you don't like the song, that's fine, post about that instead of how you perceive others talking about hypothetically. A similar thing to this happened in the Mickey Guyton thread recently and we don't need to go down that road again. Anyway, I think "XO" would make the most sense of the two and be the stronger option for radio and to diversify her catalog a bit. I do wish that the title track or "Stilettos" could be the fourth single though if they do go with another one, though I'm sure those two choices are a bit riskier plays than something like "XO." They're both wonderful though, and from the way radio has embraced Kelsea Ballerini thus far, I do think that either of those could probably still go at least Top 20 or so. That said, "Yeah Boy" does have the highest number of Spotify streams from any of her non-singles, which I think is fairly noteworthy as jhomes87 fleshed out when talking about potential future releases from Keith Urban's Ripcord. I do agree with others though that it does sound like a "Dibs"-part II musically, so I imagine it would be a softer hit like that one was and not a more high-impact hit like her debut single or, especially, "Peter Pan." I'm also really pumped for her sophomore album though so if they go with a fourth single from The First Time, I hope it has a faster rise through the ranks like we've seen with "Peter Pan" so the lead single won't be delayed *too* long. I'm ready for new music and to see how this girl continues to solidify her place as a star player in the country genre.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 27, 2016 13:11:29 GMT -5
"Yeah Boy" would be ripped to shreds here if it was FGL and all the "boys" were changed to "girls". I'm also really pumped for her sophomore album though so if they go with a fourth single from The First Time, I hope it has a faster rise through the ranks like we've seen with "Peter Pan" so the lead single won't be delayed *too* long. I'm ready for new music and to see how this girl continues to solidify her place as a star player in the country genre. Kelsea was supposed to go into the studio this summer to begin cutting tracks for her sophomore album, so she's right on schedule.
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Jun 30, 2016 22:13:36 GMT -5
I finally got to listen to XO and Yeah Boy, and I wholeheartedly, hands down, pick XO. It's clever and it diversifies her catalog. Yeah Boy is cute, but it doesn't do much for me, it feels like Dibs 2.0, which if I can recall, not a lot people liked...
Peter Pan, on the other hand, is still my favorite Kelsea Ballerini song and I'm glad with the initial success it's having! It looks like it'll only continue getting bigger and bigger until peaking at the end of the summer/early fall.
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Post by Mayman on Jul 11, 2016 14:08:56 GMT -5
Moves up 67-63 this week on the Hot 100, reaching a new peak!
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