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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 2:45:21 GMT -5
Anyone else a little suspicious that someone might be buying their way to this flopping on radio? It wouldn't be the first time we've seen that happen. See: Kelly Clarkson and Ciara. Are you referring to Kelly during "My December" era and Clive Davis? What about Ciara? Ciara said when she was trying to promote Gimmie Dat (which she paid out of pocket for the video and all promotion), radio PDs informed her that her label was telling them to not play the song. And yeah, Kelly mention is in reference to the My December era. I don't know if that is the issue here with True Colors, but I will admit I didn't come into this with super high hopes of it getting a fair chance. The thing that makes this situation unique is that it would be the feature artist's label whom we suspect of trying to block this; I don't know what Interscope would get out of playing along with the blackball game. We will likely never know for sure what is going on. (coincidence or not that Sony is the key factor in all three of these scenarios?)
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Post by Glove Slap on May 10, 2016 2:46:37 GMT -5
LMAO and this was supposed to be some big runaway hit because...?
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Post by collin on May 10, 2016 3:47:51 GMT -5
LMAO and this was supposed to be some big runaway hit because...? LMAO did anyone say this? (No.)
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 4:48:59 GMT -5
Debuts at #74 this week.
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Post by getonthebus on May 10, 2016 9:00:55 GMT -5
It's very easy to see how backroom politics would get this blocked on radio. Interscope will want to maintain a working relationship with Sony to prevent any issues in the future as well. Allowing this to be released was an olive branch, but Interscope promoting a single whose story makes a high profile Sony producer look bad and highlights a legal battle the company is involved in? Not gonna happen.
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Post by divasummer on May 10, 2016 9:26:27 GMT -5
Are you referring to Kelly during "My December" era and Clive Davis? What about Ciara? Ciara said when she was trying to promote Gimmie Dat (which she paid out of pocket for the video and all promotion), radio PDs informed her that her label was telling them to not play the song. And yeah, Kelly mention is in reference to the My December era. I don't know if that is the issue here with True Colors, but I will admit I didn't come into this with super high hopes of it getting a fair chance. The thing that makes this situation unique is that it would be the feature artist's label whom we suspect of trying to block this; I don't know what Interscope would get out of playing along with the blackball game. We will likely never know for sure what is going on. (coincidence or not that Sony is the key factor in all three of these scenarios?) I was actually coming to thread to to post something similar but so different. I Thought this would have received a decent amount of play for a few weeks because Kesha's been in the media so much and this song would make a story. This song is starting out like a song by Kesha without all the career drama. Like if if her career went this way exactly but without any of this drama. I thought maybe radio didn't think the public would care all that much about new Kesha music. I thought that was strange because artists and the public seem to support her. Maybe not her music. I thought this song was a great thing for her being released. I didn't even think about the Radio and label politics behind the scenes.
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Post by Au$tin on May 10, 2016 10:17:17 GMT -5
LMAO and this was supposed to be some big runaway hit because...? I wasn't expecting it to immediately take off and smash its way to number one, but this IS essentially Kesha's "Russian Roulette" in terms of being her comeback single after large media coverage of some sort of controversy. (Of course Rihanna's situation was a bit bigger, but I think it's still comparable.) While RR wasn't a big hit in the states, it did take off quickly here, it just brickwalled. But even at that, the suspicious thing here isn't the fact that it isn't quickly taking off. What's suspicious is the fact that it was given an adds date, looked like it was going to get a nice push from Interscope, and then suddenly days before its adds date, it's removed, seemingly cancelled. It made the top ten on iTunes on its release and the top 100 on Spotify, it's not like it couldn't even crack the top 200 on either. Interest is there enough to warrant the adds date. It's just... odd.
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Post by Glove Slap on May 10, 2016 11:20:29 GMT -5
LMAO and this was supposed to be some big runaway hit because...? I wasn't expecting it to immediately take off and smash its way to number one, but this IS essentially Kesha's "Russian Roulette" in terms of being her comeback single after large media coverage of some sort of controversy. (Of course Rihanna's situation was a bit bigger, but I think it's still comparable.) While RR wasn't a big hit in the states, it did take off quickly here, it just brickwalled. But even at that, the suspicious thing here isn't the fact that it isn't quickly taking off. What's suspicious is the fact that it was given an adds date, looked like it was going to get a nice push from Interscope, and then suddenly days before its adds date, it's removed, seemingly cancelled. It made the top ten on iTunes on its release and the top 100 on Spotify, it's not like it couldn't even crack the top 200 on either. Interest is there enough to warrant the adds date. It's just... odd. Eh. Like you said yourself earlier, there's a difference between supporting someone in a personal and professional crisis on a moral level, and liking the material they put out. First, this song wasn't that hit friendly, in its original form or now. Additionally, it's from a project that came out a year ago and had a very short life. Furthermore, Zedd's most recent singles weren't very successful overall, and aside from her feature on Timber (which was a feature despite how much people here want to say otherwise), it's not like Kesha's stock has been hot with the public. The low sales of Warrior, which was released off the back of a big hit, is proof of low core support among her as far as economic action is concerned. There's a difference between a tweet or FB post, which is free, and a financial exchange for people. It got a decent placement upon release because it's not like they're nobodies, but it's already out of the top 200 on iTunes, and isn't present in that region on Spotify as well. There's not much potential for Interscope to work with, and from a business standpoint, it benefits both Zedd and Kesha to utilize their profiles to try to find success with new, more immediate material than a re-recording of an old track.
I get the impression that people thought that as a result of the coverage around her trial (which didn't even get that much in the period where they threw out her claims and essentially killed her main argument) and goodwill, people would rally around her and push the first thing with her name on it to success. It all sounds nice, but this is reality, not some Hey Arnold! fanfiction.
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Post by shellyeah on May 10, 2016 12:32:28 GMT -5
boring :/
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Post by matteeeb on May 10, 2016 23:01:55 GMT -5
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Post by Gray. on May 17, 2016 15:22:24 GMT -5
Very unfortunate Luke pulled his approval of her performing this at the BBMAs
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Post by maine on May 17, 2016 15:34:48 GMT -5
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 17, 2016 16:31:06 GMT -5
I didn't realize a record label or music producer could control where and when an artist can perform. How can he refuse to let her perform at the award show? I also think that supports the whole thing around True Colors getting pulled completely too. If that's the case, not only is he an asshole but he's completely sabotaging her career. What is his end goal here other than revenge? I hope some nutbag Kesha Stan burns down his recording studios.
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Post by kanimal on May 17, 2016 17:01:18 GMT -5
I didn't realize a record label or music producer could control where and when an artist can perform. How can he refuse to let her perform at the award show? I also think that supports the whole thing around True Colors getting pulled completely too. If that's the case, not only is he an asshole but he's completely sabotaging her career. What is his end goal here other than revenge? I hope some nutbag Kesha Stan burns down his recording studios. I don't know enough about her contract (or what exactly it is he's approving - TV rights, the specific song she's promoting, her being there, etc) to answer the first half of your question. Regarding the second half, while that's how Team Kesha certainly wants to spin it, note that the story seems to be that Dr. Luke/Kemosabe revoked their approval when word got out that she was going to make a "statement" about her case during the performance. dick clark productions implies as much in its official statement (not that she 100% planned to do something related to the case, but that Luke revoked approval based on the report that she would). It's pretty preposterous to think Dr. Luke should sign off on a performance that is designed to bash him, but there's every indication that Kesha would receive approval if she simply wanted to go there and sing a song. Also note that dcp knew what it was doing putting out this statement. I don't recall the performance ever being officially confirmed, so it's not like the production company *had* to comment. They clearly wanted to rally public pressure behind getting Luke to approve the performance. So it's still possible she ends up performing when all is said and done. And if she does, this has helped hype the performance.
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Post by matteeeb on May 17, 2016 18:32:47 GMT -5
Falls off Hot 100 :(
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 23:58:29 GMT -5
I didn't realize a record label or music producer could control where and when an artist can perform. How can he refuse to let her perform at the award show? I also think that supports the whole thing around True Colors getting pulled completely too. If that's the case, not only is he an asshole but he's completely sabotaging her career. What is his end goal here other than revenge? I hope some nutbag Kesha Stan burns down his recording studios. I don't know enough about her contract (or what exactly it is he's approving - TV rights, the specific song she's promoting, her being there, etc) to answer the first half of your question. Regarding the second half, while that's how Team Kesha certainly wants to spin it, note that the story seems to be that Dr. Luke/Kemosabe revoked their approval when word got out that she was going to make a "statement" about her case during the performance. ย dick clark productions implies as much in its official statement (not that she 100% planned to do something related to the case, but that Luke revoked approval based on the report that she would). It's pretty preposterous to think Dr. Luke should sign off on a performance that is designed to bash him, but there's every indication that Kesha would receive approval if she simply wanted to go there and sing a song. Also note that dcp knew what it was doing putting out this statement. ย I don't recall the performance ever being officially confirmed, so it's not like the production company *had* to comment. ย They clearly wanted to rally public pressure behind getting Luke to approve the performance. ย So it's still possible she ends up performing when all is said and done. And if she does, this has helped hype the performance. The performance was confirmed. Billboard themselves tweeted out that it was cancelled. The stupidity of it all is that, whether or not she actually was going to make a statement on Dr Lukeโand I seriously doubt she was considering she's had a few opportunities to do so nowโhe still comes out of this looking like a moron and by way of doing exactly what the courts assured he wouldn't: getting in the way of her career. Now, in all fairness, I guess that yes, it's possible she could have planned to speak out on him, but his response is founded on what he "heard" and that's a dumb reason to move forward with a cancellation and only underscores to everyone with an ounce of common sense that Kesha cannot sustain any kind of career under this man's thumb. That in mind, either way you want to look at it, he's still redefining what it means to be a dumbass which is fundamentally infuriating.
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Post by kanimal on May 18, 2016 0:08:34 GMT -5
I don't know enough about her contract (or what exactly it is he's approving - TV rights, the specific song she's promoting, her being there, etc) to answer the first half of your question. Regarding the second half, while that's how Team Kesha certainly wants to spin it, note that the story seems to be that Dr. Luke/Kemosabe revoked their approval when word got out that she was going to make a "statement" about her case during the performance. dick clark productions implies as much in its official statement (not that she 100% planned to do something related to the case, but that Luke revoked approval based on the report that she would). It's pretty preposterous to think Dr. Luke should sign off on a performance that is designed to bash him, but there's every indication that Kesha would receive approval if she simply wanted to go there and sing a song. Also note that dcp knew what it was doing putting out this statement. I don't recall the performance ever being officially confirmed, so it's not like the production company *had* to comment. They clearly wanted to rally public pressure behind getting Luke to approve the performance. So it's still possible she ends up performing when all is said and done. And if she does, this has helped hype the performance. The performance was confirmed. Billboard themselves tweeted out that it was cancelled. What I meant was....I don't believe dick clark productions (or Billboard) ever issued a press release announcing the performance the way they have others. TMZ-type sites were reporting rumors about the performance last week (and it obviously was confirmed behind-the-scenes), but I don't recall seeing anything from dcp about the performance until today's statement about it being cancelled. She was never on the dcp's public performer list, and they didn't make those "shareable" social media banners that they did for all the other formally announced performers. Remember, this is a company that *had* formally confirmed and advertised Fifth Harmony for a performance last year, and then never offered its own official explanation regarding why the group didn't end up performing (the girls first tried to downplay that they were ever confirmed, then made a statement on their own). There's no way dcp/BB would have felt any obligation to announce this performance was cancelled. They wanted to make the announcement from a strategic standpoint. For confirmation's sake, if you will, here's who dcp listed in its 5/13 press release, which confirmed Meghan Trainor's performance. The Kesha rumors broke two days earlier.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 0:26:35 GMT -5
The performance was confirmed. Billboard themselves tweeted out that it was cancelled. What I meant was....I don't believe dick clark productions (or Billboard) ever issued a press release announcing the performance the way they have others. ย TMZ-type sites were reporting rumors about the performance last week (and it obviously was confirmed behind-the-scenes), but I don't recall seeing anything from dcp about the performance until today's statement about it being cancelled. ย She was never on the dcp's public performer list, and they didn't make those "shareable" social media banners that they did for all the other formally announced performers. Remember, this is a company that *had* formally confirmed and advertised Fifth Harmony for a performance last year, and then never offered its own official explanation regarding why the group didn't end up performing (the girls first tried to downplay that they were ever confirmed, then made a statement on their own). ย There's no way dcp/BB would have felt any obligation to announce this performance was cancelled. They wanted to make the announcement from a strategic standpoint. For confirmation's sake, if you will, here's who dcp listed in its 5/13 press release, which confirmed Meghan Trainor's performance. ย The Kesha rumors broke two days earlier. Ah, now I follow you.
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