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Post by Libra on Apr 28, 2016 2:13:12 GMT -5
So...yeah, let's figure out what people want out of discussing the Hot 100 charts from week to week. Like...now!
There's plenty that's been said in scattered threads/pages, but the point of this is to hash this out right here and now. Even if that means repeating something said previously elsewhere.
Oh, and no attacking each other in the process, obviously. I mean that's pretty obviously a rule already but with tensions on this issue being so high, I figure a reminder is warranted.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 2:23:57 GMT -5
wouldn't saying which song you think will be #1 on a particular week's Hot 100 and why you think so be contributing to that week's Hot 100 discussion though? Because if we're not discussing things like that then I honestly can't imagine what people CAN talk about in those threads lol. I'm a bit confused here. But I guess if I don't post there at all then I should be safe.
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Post by godjanny on Apr 28, 2016 2:33:39 GMT -5
I think they're fine the way they are. That's my opinion.
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on Apr 28, 2016 2:45:42 GMT -5
The important information needs to be posted in the main post of the thread as it comes in so that those who just want that info don't need to wade through all the discussion. Or there needs to be one thread just with info and no discussion at all and then a separate one for the discussion, predictions, etc. In principle, discussion shouldn't be stifled but there are some issues. The same people bitching and crying about "7 Years" and "Panda" need to be curbed. That sort of nonsense serves no purpose. Same with all the trolling and accusations of racism if one doesn't like Beyonce and other stuff( this page of the most recent one is a prime example of it). I have no issue with the predictions as long as it doesn't get out of control.
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Post by wjr15 on Apr 28, 2016 3:27:02 GMT -5
I don't mind predictions but I get annoyed with how multiple posters post a new prediction every day and then the thread gets cluttered with multiple predictions every single day.
Second, it would be great if some people would utilize the Like button more and the Quote button less.
Lastly, it gets annoying when there's full pages of posters having meltdowns if a certain song does or doesn't reach a certain peak. Same goes for having to remind us every two pages how much they like a song (ex: I Took A Pill In Ibiza, 7 Years) or hate a song (Work, 7 Years). Save those for the song's thread.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 3:56:22 GMT -5
I posted my thoughts on it in this week's prediction thread and that opinion is still more or less where I stand right now. The prediction thread is rather pointless and doesn't accomplish what anyone wants. It didn't even initially stop people from making predictions in the main thread, and I don't foresee that changing even with two staff reminders to put all predictions there. The issue isn't what to discuss, it's how to discuss it, and that is a nuance that is hard to put into words. For example, when discussing predictions, there is something like this: This is a flexible statement which opens up the door for some chit-chat about one artist's chart history over the years, a new release from a current star, and the Starships Love Yourself record, and maybe some other things. Then there is this (note: this is NOT meant to pick on you at all Mark G, just using the first post I could grab as a quick example): Oh shoot you're right. Thanks. Lemme fix that: 1. Purple Rain - Prince 2. One Dance - Drake 3. Panda - Desiigner 4. 7 Years - Lukas Graham 5. Formation - Beyonce 6. I Took a Pill In Ibiza - Mike Posner 7. Work From Home - Fifth Harmony 8. Work - Rihanna / Drake 9. When Doves Cry - Prince 10. Pillow Talk - Zayne you do realize that Formation is not on Spotify and the one on YouTube is barely getting any views right? There's no way that in this day and age less than 200k sales with about 20M radio audience and a couple million streams is enough to be top 5, especially with the kind of competition it has. I honestly think you're aiming way too high with that one. But don't mind me lol also One Dance is still very, very far behind in streaming so a small lead in sales and airplay won't be enough for it to overtake Panda this week It's not that there is anything wrong, per se, with emperortigerstar and Mark G's posts. It's just that it goes so deep into hyper-analyzing chart points and positions that it almost feels like...not a real conversation about the Hot 100 anymore? Does that make sense? It starts to be a bit clinical, less about the songs themselves and more about the game that is being made out of trying to predict exactly where the songs will be. Self-quoting toward the end of a thread just to note how many you got right or wrong, or congratulating each other on your good predictive fortunes, heightens that feeling. And there isn't a lot of other conversation that can flow from this kind of exchange; it is all about the numbers. I'm hesitant to suggest making a strict 'stay on topic at all times' rule because some of the best H100 conversations come from side tangents, random trips down memory lane**, comparisons of previous chart patterns to today, etc. And if you restrict the conversation, it actually does become nothing but airplay updates and prediction-related posts, one of the very things we are trying to get away from. That said, it should be a given that Hot 100 discussion should center on music, so the more PM-appropriate conversations should stop - I am definitely comfortable laying that down as a definite 'what (not) to discuss' parameter. A 'no numbered lists' rule sounds good in theory but in reality I see people getting around that in four or five really annoying ways, so that is probably more headache than the attempt is worth. I think I would still vouch for a 'general' H100 discussion thread for people who just want to distance themselves from what the weekly thread has now become. Maybe that can be the thread with specific rules on what can be discussed while the weekly thread can encompass all the chart predictors it can hold, and the two different crowds can coexist separately without working each other's nerves. **On this note there is kind of a problem when you have so many people who are fans of older music and then someone says...what was that comment about Uptown Funk, Blank Space, and Take Me to Church being the best top 3 in history? Yes, we are all entitled to our own opinions, but the kneejerk reaction from people who were alive to see any of the previous four decades was bound to be 'that is just absurd.' And of course, whoever made that statement was bound to get defensive about it. Ironically, when Devil Marlena Nylund made an outlandish satirical prediction post a few days ago, people completely missed the joke and immediately dogged him about how unrealistic his guesses were. So it's like...you can dish it but you can't take it? It's okay to go in over minute predictions but not to criticize an overly broad statement about the entire history of the chart? If we're going to talk about what is okay to discuss we need to also talk about what is okay to criticize because that matter isn't settled either, apparently.
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Post by Az Paynter on Apr 28, 2016 4:41:42 GMT -5
I think it's already been covered in more concise and better articulated ways, but yes - there is a distinction between actual discussion and obsessive fangirling over certain songs (and that includes bashing anything that's #InTheF**kingWayOfTehFAVEZ!!!1!)
Like, who really gives a s**t how much you love X song, we don't need another reiteration of it with every damn post. And this includes posts that actually contain pertinent information; like Cynthia singled out Mark, I'm gonna single out MTSCharts. It bothers me how the posting of airplay data from Kworb still turns into stan city when you keep giving commentary on 'OH ITAPII had a good audience gain' or 'GO 7 YEARS get that #1'. We don't need a constant reminder of your obsession with those songs when we only want to look at the numbers. Just post the damn chart, and if you must make commentary, divorce it from the airplay update post.
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Post by imbondz on Apr 28, 2016 4:58:51 GMT -5
Anything you want to say while mods shut up and stop policing it. That'd be an awesome start imo.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 5:03:32 GMT -5
I think it's already been covered in more concise and better articulated ways, but yes - there is a distinction between actual discussion and obsessive fangirling over certain songs (and that includes bashing anything that's #InTheF**kingWayOfTehFAVEZ!!!1!) Like, who really gives a s**t how much you love X song, we don't need another reiteration of it with every damn post. And this includes posts that actually contain pertinent information; like Cynthia singled out Mark, I'm gonna single out MTSCharts. It bothers me how the posting of airplay data from Kworb still turns into stan city when you keep giving commentary on 'OH ITAPII had a good audience gain' or 'GO 7 YEARS get that #1'. We don't need a constant reminder of your obsession with those songs when we only want to look at the numbers. Just post the damn chart, and if you must make commentary, divorce it from the airplay update post. oh the horror, it's not like you can just ignore that part of the post and only look at the airplay update. Like seriously, the text part of those posts doesn't stand out at all, and are barely even visible (it's almost as though you're actually looking for these details and trying to find something to criticize us for). It legitimately feels like you only target a select few of us on this forum. Besides, I am confident that you would not have a problem with MTSCharts saying those things about songs you liked/trash-talking songs you disliked lol.
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Post by Az Paynter on Apr 28, 2016 5:27:22 GMT -5
Of course you missed the point, why should I expect anything less? It only gets nitpicky to point out examples of the problem when the bigger picture is considered. And how funny that you say a 'select few' are being targeted when oddly enough it is that very 'select few' that's causing all the issues! What, we're gonna pin the problem on everything but the source? Have a seat. In fact, have several.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 28, 2016 5:32:37 GMT -5
The thread has always had predictions. It's when it became about predictions and the back and forth that stemmed from them (as has been mentioned a few times above) that it became an issue.
I'm sure it's not lost on most of us that the issue isn't even so much the content as the few people behind it. Nothing personal intended (because I have no reason to have personal issues with any of the thread regulars) but they seem to lack board etiquette. I can't wrap my head around the point of criticizing someone's prediction to the point of grilling them over it. What's supposed to fun suddenly becomes very military and policed and now predictions can't be made unless you've got all the statistics down and double checked it with excel, lest you get raked over the coals for putting something higher than it should be. It's not a test. It's a guess. That's annoying.
And yes, the 'like' button is so useful. When I was a mod, I would occasionally delete posts that could be served simply by liking something under the impression that the person made the post simply for a post-count increase. I wouldn't be opposed to that, but I also wouldn't be opposed to a person's post count taking a hit if they are repeated flooding threads with posts that could be served simply by pressing the like button.
I think otherwise, the hot 100 issue probably being made into a bigger deal than it actually is. The predictions thing is probably easier to fix but the excitable Stanning over songs like 7 Years I think will always be there. But either way, I hope this thread can reach a resolution.
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Post by badrobot on Apr 28, 2016 7:07:31 GMT -5
There was a tirade about calling people racist. There were back and forth one liners that were basically people have an IM chat in an open thread. There were so many "predictions" and fighting over it that yes it DID become hard to scan the threads and figure out which lists of songs and numbers were actual data vs predictions. There were posts where people just put song names into sentences. And there's people just complaining about songs or saying "yay!" or whatever.
I want none of the above.
To me, there's a pretty simple rule. Is your post adding meaningful data, analysis, or insight (or asking for analysis or insight from others for something you're not sure of, such as "would this break a record?"). If not, don't post.
Think about it like the Hot 100 is a sports game on TV and the people in the thread are providing discussion like the commentators on TV. They're describing what happens, giving context with additional information and history, calling out interesting stats and trends, etc. They may have an occasional moment of friendly banter but they don't get sidetracked into bickering or personal conversations or silly side games. The Hot 100 thread stopped being interesting commentary and descended into the same kind of nonsense you might expect drunk sports fans in the parking lot to fight about.
I think a lot of people recently feel like they're getting "policed" and don't understand why that's a problem because they don't get how a lot of people use this thread. There are a LOT of people who post rarely or not at all who still like to follow the numbers. Certain names stand out as people who add interesting info and the thread is a nice way to hear from a lot of smart people who are basically "commentators", except instead of sports it's Billboard. So when people come in and a handful flood a thread with other stuff, it may be fun for that handful, and they may feel like they're the majority because they post so much, but in reality they're not -- they are just the handful making the most noise and ruining it for everyone else.
To me, Internet comment threads are something to be avoided because they always seem to immediately devolve into fighting or off topic rants. Pulse had been a nice exception -- until recently.
10 years here and I'm just about ready to leave.
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Post by Gary on Apr 28, 2016 7:47:17 GMT -5
Also 10 years here and I think this is overblown
Predictions by a select few were the initial problem but it became bigger when people came in to try and police it themselves. This leads to defensiveness and fighting
There are already enough rules in place about personal attacks, staying on topic, multiple posting, etc. that we hardly need more. Not sure restricting the discussion will work. This has been tried in the last week by isolating the predictions in a different thread and it has failed miserably.
By flooding the thread with 18 pages of prediction discussion people say they have more crap to sift through to find the important stuff, what would that be? Long ago, I pulled all the charts out of the Hot 100 thread myself and gave them all separate threads. So the actual charts (Hot 100, Digital, Streaming, etc.) are all isolated and easy to find. What's left? The daily airplay charts that people copy from Kworb? Maybe isolate those too? or put them in my airplay thread? The rest of it is just discussion which has been in place for years. Restricting it would either be too difficult or turn people away. For some predictions are part of the fun and is just part of the discussion.
My opinion, leave it alone and accept the predictions. At worst it was just excessive friendly discussion with no site rules broken t hat I could see. The rest of the stuff in that thread, since the charts are not placed in there, is also just discussion but of a different type
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Post by jarhys on Apr 28, 2016 8:36:57 GMT -5
Predictions are part of the weekly discussion. It's weird to complain that it's hard to get important information in DISCUSSION. Hello? It's DISCUSSION here, not Billboard or Kworb. I don't see anything wrong with it.
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Post by renfield75 on Apr 28, 2016 8:51:10 GMT -5
I don't know that any particular set of rules added would help. It honestly just comes down to some over-excited posters not realizing that no one cares about EVERY. SINGLE. THOUGHT. that they have about the Hot 100 every 3 minutes. Especially when it's the SAME thoughts about the SAME songs multiple times a day for weeks. If you joined Pulse six months ago and have 8,000 posts already that should tell you you're posting too much and hi-jacking the conversation from everyone else. This is not your personal board, it's for everyone. But many of those same posters do contribute meaningful data and insight. I'm not saying they should be banned outright because that doesn't seem fair; they aren't bullying people or being overtly rude. Maybe just an occasional reminder from Mods to slow down their posting. Or create a daily post limit (for example, if you post more than ten times a day you can't post again until the next day). Although that seems unfair too. I don't know, I just really wish a few people would use more common sense and be more considerate with their excessive posting.
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Post by jebsib on Apr 28, 2016 8:51:54 GMT -5
13 years here and really irritated by the newer members who hijack and get crude & aggressive. Real shame.
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Post by Zach on Apr 28, 2016 8:52:03 GMT -5
As someone who is still relatively very new here I have no idea how things used to be and how these threads looked even a year, much less the years preceding. However, I can say that the issue causing the most contention right now seems not be the posting of predictions in the main Hot 100 thread, but the actual DISCUSSION of these predictions. And I agree on some grounds. When someone makes a chart prediction, it is their prediction and has nothing to do with you. Quoting that prediction and bashing it into the ground is completely unnecessary. So it quoting it just to briefly express your agreement without adding any kind of meaningful information (that's what the 'like' button is for). Nothing wrong in my estimation with CALMLY asking a person why they put a certain song at a certain position. If the predictor posted a statistic/figure/assumption which they used in making the prediction that you recognize is factually incorrect, I also see nothing wrong with calmly pointing this out.
Outside of predictions and prediction-related posts, I'm on the fence. A solution needs to be found (and it'll be hard to find and enforce) that's far from both extremes: on one hand, totally meaningless discussions about next to nothing with very little information being added; on the other hand, a total snores fest where people can't be free to express themselves and comment their minds. I think it'll really come down to the discretion of the mature and sensible members of the Pulse community. Before you post ask yourself if this comment is really necessary. Ask yourself if what you plan on commenting can better be said in a PM, or with a simple 'like' of a previous comment. Ask yourself if the comment adds meaningful information that'll enlighten the minds of the rest of us. And if you plan on commenting an opinion (and opinions are AWESOME and make this forum an interesting place for me), make sure that the opinion is one which is worthwhile to post and doesn't come across as nagging or whining about things not going your way.
I must say that I really personally have no issue with the state of the Hot 100 discussion threads over the time I've been here (5 months?). Buttttt!!!! I do completely understand where some people are coming from when they say they've gotten ridiculous. Let's not turn the thing into a boring list of historical and current stats though, colourful discussion and debate is necessary.
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Post by divasummer on Apr 28, 2016 9:16:03 GMT -5
I usually look forward to the Hot 100 threads but lately it seems like a few people are just wanting to see their post count go up or a thread get more views. I don't mind the educated predictions but it can get annoying when everyone predicts one. I also don't mind when someone shoots back with facts to back up why they don't agree and not a tirade about "Panda or 7 Years" not getting a num.1 peak. I also personally don't care how many people post in each thread. Maybe it's me being jaded because I'm 38. When I was younger I probably would have cared more??? I know it's a "Chart" discussion forum but they do a "Pulse" awards once a year. Maybe those statistics can be used there??? I'm not trying to sound shady or anything. I honesty love coming here and I don't get that annoyed by much that goes on here that I would report it, complain etc. LoL Thanks, Divasummer
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 9:17:29 GMT -5
To me, there's a pretty simple rule. Is your post adding meaningful data, analysis, or insight (or asking for analysis or insight from others for something you're not sure of, such as "would this break a record?"). If not, don't post. That is EXACTLY how I feel. Sure, we're all bound to post a few things that aren't earth shatteringly meaningful from time to time... but it's about being conscious of ourselves and what we're posting and keeping it to a minimum. You used the sports commentator analogy which is good - I also think of it in a more broad analogy: Pretend we're all in an actual room together face to face... would we "talk" as much as we "post", and if so, are we being considerate of how annoying the amount of "talking" we do probably is to others who can't decipher all the noise or get a meaningful word in edgewise? Sometimes it feels like a classroom full of youngsters all fighting to be the loudest and get the most attention. I realize there is a wide range of ages in a forum like this one, but we're all old enough to have some common sense and basic respect... and all have the ability to follow rules. Virtual forums like this aren't a license to litter it with every last fleeting thought we have. Obviously, trolling and whatever else is rampant online anywhere we go... so it would be nice if people who sign up and log in to this community by choice would respect the space - and each other - enough to not be part of the problem(s) that exist. We all need an edit button for ourselves and the ability to use it. Often.
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Post by Gary on Apr 28, 2016 9:24:12 GMT -5
What is "meaningful" or "insightful" to one can be considered junk to another which is what started this whole thing in the first place. Establishing a threshold for what is a meaningful contribution and what is not will get messy in a hurry. This may offend or put off members who believe they are having meaningful contributions while some others, citing their own definition of "meaningful" could come in and stir things up. Which is actually how we got here in the first place
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Post by NeRD on Apr 28, 2016 9:33:09 GMT -5
I believe the concerns and suggestions have been adequately stated here by various posters. Hopefully the mods take these into consideration and make some changes. :)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 9:42:48 GMT -5
Here's a few specific things, imo:
If our posts in a chart-based thread like this are motivated by whether we like or dislike a song - it's not meaningful or insightful to anyone but ourselves, and therefore should not be shared in this thread. Go to the artist or single discussion and give your opinions on songs or artists there.
If our posts on how a song(s) will do on the chart are based on if we like the song or not - or just guessing with no supporting info - it's not meaningful or insightful to anyone but ourselves (or maybe a select few who do the same). It's more of a game for fun, and that belongs elsewhere. Have some facts or theories to back up what you're saying. If you just post a "i don't think so, it's going to be more like this" and then not provide any explanation as to why, it's pointless and doesn't contribute any insight. Go play the prediction game.
If we are replying to a post - and we quote it and say "yay!" or "I hate Panda" or a song "doesn't deserve #1" ... that stuff is not meaningful or insightful to the thread. It's annoying to many and completely avoidable. Just "like" a post if you like it, don't if you don't, and move on. And no need to quote so much. If we want to get someone's attention, use the @name function. Quoting is fine if there's something substantial being said in response, especially if it's on a separate page from the original post. Sometimes just quoting a specific sentence or portion of a post is adequate.
Common sense is called common sense because it is sensibility that is indeed common. For a reason(s). Be mindful, take hints, adapt. It's not that difficult. More objective posts about the chart and what's going on, less personal and subjective rubbish. It's a chart thread, not a personal opinion on an artist or song thread. I think the biggest problem is there is no accountablilty online - people get mad for being called out on breaking a rule or being annoying or whatever - and then just act out intentionally in many cases - because they can as some faceless humanoid behind an avatar.
I've given my thoughts and some specific examples of problem areas and alternatives to support them - all of which illustrate my perspective. Nobody has to agree. Nothing has to change. But I care about the community enough to try and help steer it in a direction that works for the majority, and I play by the rules. If you take issue with me or what I'm saying, feel free to PM me, rather than try and debate me on it or try and nullify my thoughts in the thread without offering an alternative. It's counter-productive. And transparent.
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Post by Gary on Apr 28, 2016 10:05:14 GMT -5
I just have seen way too many instances where you throw terms around with really broad meanings that mean different things to different people almost always leads to conflict. We will get too many people calling out others for doing something wrong, when in their minds, they are fine. i.e. One person's definition of "common sense" may be different that someone else's.
We have had weekly Hot 100 threads for over a decade and have survived. I am sure we can survive this too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 10:18:06 GMT -5
Its always good for people to give their opinions and predictions of what songs they think will do well and not well. I see no problem. people are making a big deal out of nothing in my opinion.
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Post by Glove Slap on Apr 28, 2016 10:21:44 GMT -5
This has already been stated in more eloquent and extensive ways, but I reiterate that the main issue is that the threads have devolved into a histrionic teenage chat room. Sharing opinions and predictions one thing. A continuous back and forth between the same 4 posters largely consisting one liners such as "Same!", "That's a lot!", "Lol thanks" "Did this for you" "Grrrrr, I hate Panda", "You're cracking me up!" "I was also going to say that" "Please, don't let Formation go top 3!!!!!!!!" repeatedly and continuously is something else, and something that is better placed in a group PM, or something that can be expressed by clicking the like button. They're just not constructive in any way and blatantly moronic.
Either give these people explicit dum-dum friendly instructions on how to construct a Group PM for themselves, or/and then if it goes on, start/continue handing out the warnings, because at this point, after the effects on the rest have been stated and passed on, this continuing is easily spilling into trolling territory.
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Post by badrobot on Apr 28, 2016 10:23:21 GMT -5
^I don't think we need draconian rules. When people are respectful and considerate you don't need to define what is "meaningful" in a post. I'm not a moderator so I don't know what the solution would be. I just know that there have been times in the past where moderators were pretty quick to nip in the bud when someone was derailing a thread (it even happened to me a few times), I'm not sure if that's happening now.
My suggestion would not be more hard-and-fast rules, but perhaps for a bit a moderator or two could be keeping a closer eye on the thread, checking throughout the day, and when someone is derailing the convo, shoot them a PM telling them to nip in the bud or take it elsewhere, and maybe even delete posts occasionally if they're really going off.
I also think everyone else needs to stop continuously posting complaints (I know I posted a couple, but I tried to just say it a couple times rather than constantly responding). And frankly, the "who's at the leaderboard for most posts this week and number of pages" just eggs people on to do more.
Basically, if I was a mod, I'd just be really strict for a few weeks and see if that re-trains some folks.
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Post by missgenericnickname on Apr 28, 2016 10:56:37 GMT -5
It really depends on the moderators want to do. I know when me& other people done stupid sh*t on here, it depended on the severity. I know some don't like to delete certain things so I guess maybe warn them in PMs? Most of what I'd say is already in the rules for PulseMusic so give them simpler straight-to-the-point rules& if they don't listen, give them consequences. I also agree with some people on the group PM thing. That seems like advice I've should have taken for some of the f*ckups I've been in
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 11:00:40 GMT -5
This has already been stated in more eloquent and extensive ways, but I reiterate that the main issue is that the threads have devolved into a histrionic teenage chat room. Sharing opinions and predictions one thing. A continuous back and forth between the same 4 posters largely consisting one liners such as "Same!", "That's a lot!", "Lol thanks" "Did this for you" "Grrrrr, I hate Panda", "You're cracking me up!" "I was also going to say that" "Please, don't let Formation go top 3!!!!!!!!" repeatedly and continuously is something else, and something that is better placed in a group PM, or something that can be expressed by clicking the like button. They're just not constructive in any way and blatantly moronic. Either give these people explicit dum-dum friendly instructions on how to construct a Group PM for themselves, or/and then if it goes on, start/continue handing out the warnings, because at this point, after the effects on the rest have been stated and passed on, this continuing is easily spilling into trolling territory. While I agree that the H100 threads have devolved into something akin to an AOL music chat revival, I'm not sure trying to control the narrative is the best course of action. Like, if people have something meaningful to contribute, then ignore the bulls**t, contribute, and be on your way; and if said bulls**t devolves into something that violates the rules (i.e. trolling) then warnings should be administered. A group PM sounds like a phenomenal solution for those of us that would rather play odds or evens with ourselves than read about how many people agree or disagree with Gary, but idk how to make that happen. IMO, discussion should be lead by those most active (for better or whatever it is now)... so if someone's that into it, they should be contributing more of what they want to see to change things internally. At the risk of sounding super contrarian, I also don't really agree with the idea that we should increase moderation in those threads (CC: badrobot ). Honestly I think staff should stay out of it short of keeping everyone in line and let the community handle it. Being an imbecile isn't really against the rules anyway, nor should it be, so I'm not sure what increased moderation would accomplish shy of ruining any entertainment value that's come of this.
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Post by Dylan :) on Apr 28, 2016 11:45:09 GMT -5
For me, the main problem isn't what is being said (other than the personal attacks people have been making and all around spam), but more of how often there are posts. Some rule needs to be put in place on how often people comment, and it should be relatively strict. Maybe 5-10 times per day max unless it is actual, interesting facts or information? I don't know. A good example would be the iTunes thread (although obviously the Hot 100 will get more posters). Good, useful information without spam or unnecessary commentary. I mean, it is a discussion thread, there SHOULD be discussion. But when someone posts "Work sucks, 7 Years will be #1", a few hours later "I hate Work, and from my guesses, 7 Years has to be #1", then that night "7 Years has been #1 on iTunes all week, it HAS to be #1 because I hate Work so much" and then the next day "Work is terrible and doesn't deserve #1, 7 Years does", something is not right.
Maybe one solution could be introducing something like the Random Thoughts thread but specifically for the Hot 100? If you're in the mood you can go in and look around at some ideas being tossed around, but you're not missing out on any 'valuable' information if you ignore it.
//also, Mark if you're reading, my 7 Years/Work mentions are not directed at you, its just the first thing that came to mind, I actually don't consider you an 'overposter' :)
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Post by Au$tin on Apr 28, 2016 12:09:50 GMT -5
Its always good for people to give their opinions and predictions of what songs they think will do well and not well. I see no problem. people are making a big deal out of nothing in my opinion. No one is arguing against that. It's when certain members post constantly about their predictions, changing them daily, and turning it into a game. That's not the purpose of the Hot 100 thread and severely clutters it.
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