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Post by jdanton2 on Jul 24, 2017 23:39:47 GMT -5
confirmed by Fallon and 5H.
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Post by jdanton2 on Jul 25, 2017 15:16:05 GMT -5
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Post by Rural Juror on Jul 25, 2017 15:45:50 GMT -5
Nominated for two VMAs: Best Pop Video and Best Choreography.
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Post by SHOOTER on Jul 25, 2017 16:21:22 GMT -5
Down peaked higher than CITC but neither cracked top-40; they need another hit, dammit!
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Post by Ty on Jul 26, 2017 14:01:34 GMT -5
Lauren sounded really good while Dinah was a total mess (as she was in recent performances) on Fallon.
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Post by Mack on Jul 26, 2017 17:26:20 GMT -5
Nominated for two VMAs: Best Pop Video and Best Choreography. Both nominations should have gone to 'Slumber Party' instead. The 'Down' video is such a non-event, as is the song.
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Post by felipe on Jul 29, 2017 17:08:06 GMT -5
I don't get the strategy. They get a spot on Fallon, the top late night show, and waste it promoting a song that's already dead? Their album is a month away, where's the new single? It's like they're setting them up to fail.
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Post by jdanton2 on Jul 30, 2017 5:22:13 GMT -5
new press release that mentions some of the producers on the up coming album. www.pressparty.com/pg/newsdesk/EpicRecordsUS/view/168975/Fifth Harmony releasing third self-titled album on Aug 25 FIFTH HARMONY TO RELEASE THIRD ALBUM 'FIFTH HARMONY' ON AUGUST 25TH AS ANNOUNCED FOLLOWING THEIR DEBUT PERFORMANCE OF "DOWN" ON THE TONIGHT SHOW STARRING JIMMY FALLON Following last month's release of their new single "Down," Fifth Harmony announces their highly-anticipated third album, "FIFTH HARMONY", is set for release on August 25 on Syco/Epic Records. The worldwide multi-platinum group set off a social media frenzy Monday night when they officially announced the album after their debut performance on NBC's The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon, watch below. Working with some long time partners, new powerhouse producers and DJs such as The Stereotypes, Skrillex, Poo Bear, Monsters and Strangerz, Ester Dean, Ammo & Dallas K, Dreamlab, Harmony Samuels, Tommy Brown and Sebastian Kole, Fifth Harmony promises an album packed with energy, passion, and show-stopping vocals. With most of the album co-written by Ally, Dinah, Lauren and Normani, listeners will get a sense of the girls' individuality as artists, in addition to showcasing the confident and empowering collective voice of Fifth Harmony that fans know and love.
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Post by SHOOTER on Jul 30, 2017 13:10:51 GMT -5
Rumor has it Epic took Wrap Around from June's Diary and gave it to them for the new album. This song is a jam but if it's true.
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Post by Rural Juror on Jul 30, 2017 14:32:29 GMT -5
I don't get the strategy. They get a spot on Fallon, the top late night show, and waste it promoting a song that's already dead? Their album is a month away, where's the new single? It's like they're setting them up to fail. I don't get it either, but maybe the label is saving the aggressive promo for the week/s leading up to the VMAs (where the group is rumored to be performing). I honestly can't see the group putting out a fourth album after this one. Then again, if by some miracle this is a hit, we just might get 5H4.
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Post by stunnedout on Jul 30, 2017 14:54:15 GMT -5
Rumor has it Epic took Wrap Around from June's Diary and gave it to them for the new album. This song is a jam but if it's true. That song is a flop either way. That's not the direction music is going.
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Post by SHOOTER on Jul 30, 2017 15:14:07 GMT -5
Rumor has it Epic took Wrap Around from June's Diary and gave it to them for the new album. This song is a jam but if it's true. That song is a flop either way. That's not the direction music is going. Down was a flop as well. Their music in general is extremely hit or miss.
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Post by think pink. on Jul 30, 2017 16:25:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 16:38:47 GMT -5
Getting a mild kii out of reading the Junebugs and Harmonizers lose their shit in the video comments as if either group has what it takes to make that Kisses Down Low b-side a hit. It is a cute song, but the production needs to be majorly stripped down to make that song sound at least somewhat modern.
If true, it's the laziest of lazy A&R on Epic's part but I would expect it to only be an album cut anyway.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jul 30, 2017 18:17:04 GMT -5
This entire campaign, from the decision to send the single to radio a week after it was released, just seems like a way for their label to look good by having taking the option to keep them, but still getting them out of the way before the Holidays to invest more into Camila. Not that I'm complaining though :sip2: .
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Post by felipe on Jul 31, 2017 19:33:07 GMT -5
This entire campaign, from the decision to send the single to radio a week after it was released, just seems like a way for their label to look good by having taking the option to keep them, but still getting them out of the way before the Holidays to invest more into Camila. I get the same feeling, but it makes no sense to me. Why would they focus on Camilla when 5H is an already tried and true formula? Despite what their preferences might be, I don't get putting that over money.
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Post by Ty on Aug 1, 2017 23:04:36 GMT -5
This entire campaign, from the decision to send the single to radio a week after it was released, just seems like a way for their label to look good by having taking the option to keep them, but still getting them out of the way before the Holidays to invest more into Camila. I get the same feeling, but it makes no sense to me. Why would they focus on Camilla when 5H is an already tried and true formula? Despite what their preferences might be, I don't get putting that over money. It's harder to 5H for achieve greater success plus girl groups usually disband after 3-4 albums so this ship is gonna sink soon.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Aug 2, 2017 9:48:56 GMT -5
The Poo Bear and Skrillex track is rumored to be the next single. They need to come correct with this single and that team seems to be the one to do it.
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Post by felipe on Aug 2, 2017 21:30:03 GMT -5
I get the same feeling, but it makes no sense to me. Why would they focus on Camilla when 5H is an already tried and true formula? Despite what their preferences might be, I don't get putting that over money. It's harder to 5H for achieve greater success plus girl groups usually disband after 3-4 albums so this ship is gonna sink soon. That's the more reason the label should be milking it while they can, and not moving on already.
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Post by tinawina on Aug 3, 2017 19:08:07 GMT -5
This entire campaign, from the decision to send the single to radio a week after it was released, just seems like a way for their label to look good by having taking the option to keep them, but still getting them out of the way before the Holidays to invest more into Camila. I get the same feeling, but it makes no sense to me. Why would they focus on Camilla when 5H is an already tried and true formula? Despite what their preferences might be, I don't get putting that over money. Girl groups are expensive, especially when none of them write or produce. They don't make enough money to justify the layout is my guess. Remember the label has been trying to make them happen since they were cute teens on Radio Disney. Hair, makeup, travel, hotels, multiple fashionable clothes for 5 girls is a lot. I bet the label calculation is they can do the same revenue with just Camilla (she has her own fanbase and her voice is now radio recognizable). Plus she writes, correct? She's cute enough to glam up and land some endorsements. I totally get it even if I have doubts on Camilla's charisma level (is she really compelling enough to sustain a solo career?) but I can see why they'd bet on her and not the group.
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Post by felipe on Aug 4, 2017 7:34:02 GMT -5
I still don't fully get why a girl group would be more expensive than just one girl. Sure, they must pay for hair and hotel for all the girls, but don't they have to pay for hotel for Camila's backup dancers as well? (or her band, or whoever else she's taking) I always assumed budget would be adjustable, that as a group you'd get a smaller cut of the profits, a cheaper hotel, maybe share rooms, and so on.
Rock bands have always existed and I never heard of the label trying to get the lead singer to go solo because that'be more profitable. Is it different because they are girls?
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Post by tinawina on Aug 4, 2017 9:25:30 GMT -5
Backup dancers don't get an extensive wardrobe or hair/makeup, etc. and fifth harmony had all that tour stuff too so it's no different if they do it for camila. And your average rock band can wear the same jeans and rumpled t shirts everywhere - sometimes even on stage LOL - and no one bats an eye. Fifth harmony was the kind of group that needed a glam squad for every appearance. And they did nothing for themselves - they did not write, arrange vocals, produce, choreograph, play instruments, whatever.. everything had to be contracted out. Plus they've been pouring money into them since they were minors who had to travel with a chaperone and a teacher.
That said none of that would have been a problem if there had been a bigger payoff but I didn't see it. It's not like they were killing it in album sales, single sales, streams or even touring. Everything was moderate except 2 reasonable sized hit songs. This after years of laying the groundwork. I don't even remember huge endorsements (maybe I'm wrong?)
At the same time Camila is having hits on her own. I think after a while someone did the math.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 11:29:22 GMT -5
Backup dancers don't get an extensive wardrobe or hair/makeup, etc. and fifth harmony had all that tour stuff too so it's no different if they do it for camila. And your average rock band can wear the same jeans and rumpled t shirts everywhere - sometimes even on stage LOL - and no one bats an eye. Fifth harmony was the kind of group that needed a glam squad for every appearance. And they did nothing for themselves - they did not write, arrange vocals, produce, choreograph, play instruments, whatever.. everything had to be contracted out. Plus they've been pouring money into them since they were minors who had to travel with a chaperone and a teacher. That said none of that would have been a problem if there had been a bigger payoff but I didn't see it. It's not like they were killing it in album sales, single sales, streams or even touring. Everything was moderate except 2 reasonable sized hit songs. This after years of laying the groundwork. I don't even remember huge endorsements (maybe I'm wrong?) At the same time Camila is having hits on her own. I think after a while someone did the math. Same math that has been done with literally almost every girl group since the Supremes. Show me a girl group where that didn't happen and I'll show you a girl group that died out before it could get popular enough to cherry pick a solo singer out of it. It's pretty obvious to me at least that labels not only don't see girl groups as a long term investment but that if they do sign a girl group it's most likely to find the 'real' star and then use the group's popularity as a booster to make the solo launch easier. Even if there was a bigger payoff, this seemed to make the labels more eager to fast-forward to the part where they can drop the extras that they don't care about. And 5H came at a time when the US industry and general public were over the idea of girl groups, period, so the payoff wasn't going to be there like it would have been 15-20 years ago. FWIW the "more expensive" excuse is generally tossed around for both girl groups and boy bands (BSB/NSYNC/1D types). Not for rock bands for many of the reasons you stated - a rock band doesn't need much or anything for wardrobe, doesn't need other people on stage to play instruments or handle bgvs for them; in fact generally doesn't need much of anything but a stage to play on and a sound technician. It's also probably a hassle for the label trying to negotiate a contract with four or five people who were pasted together by the label - wasn't that part of the issue with 5H, they all had different sub-deals and Camila wouldn't recommit to the group? - while a rock band has likely already been working together for years and when they come to the table (or send someone to the table for them) everyone is already on the same page, so you just cut the deal once. With all that being said I don't think writing (or not writing) factors into extra cost. Those are royalty fees that have to be paid to someone regardless so I don't think it makes a difference to the label who's holding the pen. Same with the production - it's rare to find an artist who can handle production entirely by him or herself (Bruno even started as a songwriting/production team, yet he still uses other producers) so this is an expense the label expects to front no matter what. Also, lbr here they were girls signed under LA Reid so there's a strong chance that most or all attempts to be more involved in the creative process were shot down. One of Camila's given reasons for wanting out was that she didn't like the sexed-up image they were trying to force onto the group. I thought I read somewhere (maybe in this thread?) that the girls said they've been writing more on this album although I'm guessing that's probably only a parting gift. Epic clearly doesn't have much use for them anymore. i just hope they all have been working on building up their industry connects for when their time with Epic is over. Best case scenario is them pulling a 1D and all finding some solo success.
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Post by felipe on Aug 4, 2017 18:30:31 GMT -5
I get your points.
In that case should we assume that Little Mix's label is eager to cherry pick one of them for a solo career? Or does that only work in the US? Why does the label allow them to remain a group after 4 albums?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 1:26:19 GMT -5
I get your points. In that case should we assume that Little Mix's label is eager to cherry pick one of them for a solo career? Or does that only work in the US? Why does the label allow them to remain a group after 4 albums? I'm only speaking of the US - I don't know the UK market that well, but I always got the impression that they actually really like groups over there, so for that market there's still value in the concept. If any group does break up early it really does just come down to conflict between the members and not label meddling. It's also probably worth pointing out that 5H did come from US X-Factor, a British creation, and are signed with both Epic and Syco (Simon Cowell's label). Possibly the biggest reason for 5H's push in the beginning came from Syco really believing in them and wanting to make them happen. If not for the Cowell affiliation I honestly don't believe any US label would have been trying to make a pop group happen.
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Post by felipe on Aug 5, 2017 11:38:22 GMT -5
Yeah, I get it.
But when you mention labels might use these groups to help launch solo careers, how common is it in the US for someone to have a successful career after a boy band/girl group? Besides the obvious Beyoncé/JT examples, I can only think of the boy bands (NKOTB, Backstreet Boys) and girl groups (Pussycat Dolls, Spice Girls) that failed to make it as solo acts.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 12:16:15 GMT -5
Yeah, I get it. But when you mention labels might use these groups to help launch solo careers, how common is it in the US for someone to have a successful career after a boy band/girl group? Besides the obvious Beyoncé/JT examples, I can only think of the boy bands (NKOTB, Backstreet Boys) and girl groups (Pussycat Dolls, Spice Girls) that failed to make it as solo acts. Yeah that's the thing, a lot of times the solo launches fail. But that's possibly a reason why major labels in the US don't really bother with groups at all anymore - even with them trying to hedge their bets they lost the bet more often than not, so why take try with a supposedly more expensive group at all? I can think of some r&b groups that have been signed in the past several years but they all lacked support and flopped terribly. BSB is an anomaly I think, in that none of its members apparently ever had the desire to be a soloist. Nick eventually released a few solo things on the side and Kevin left for a few years just to take a break, but that was years after BSB's domination was over. Nicole S from PCD is one of the most notorious examples of someone who tried to flee her group too soon, killing both her own prospects and the group's viability in one fell swoop; that was the warning a lot of people tossed at Camila when she left 5H after only 2 albums and an EP. It's never a bad move to make sure your group's success is more solidified; it can only help you when you move on to new things later. With that said, 5H's chart history was always hit or miss so it's hard to say whether sticking around for one more album would have done that much more for anyone in the group. The real hitch was how messy the breakup was. I know Camila and Epic were probably salty that 5H snatched their announcement shine but that first tweet (or was it an insta post? I forget) wasn't airing her out or anything; they should have just let it ride. Instead, Camila went straight into defense mode and all hell broke loose. Spice Girls were from the UK, but I think they're another example of someone (Ginger Spice) killing the group's run and maybe her own full potential by leaving too soon. Ginger had a decent solo run in the UK for a couple of albums, but never did as well as even SG's last and lowest-selling album. Now that I think about it, this storyline seems the most likely ending for 5H and Camila...on a much smaller scale, of course.
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Post by Kishi KCM on Aug 5, 2017 14:16:02 GMT -5
I like this discussion.
Girl groups haven't had the best history in the US market. In Europe and Asia, they fare much better.
So much can go wrong with a girl group. You always have the alleged personality conflicts, being compared and pitted against each other, and I think most of it has to do with the fact that they're of the female gender. Rarely do you have members in male groups being pitted against each other and men tend to have much bigger egos than women. But I think it's easy to paint the "girls are catty" narrative.
Once Camila got her own manager in 2015, that caused the biggest rift within the group. Both teams should've found common ground. I like her solo music so far, but the truth is...5H was barely established worldwide and in the industry. Yes, they have a dedicated fanbase and tour/record/promote/work constantly, but they're still new! I do think re-introducing and re-branding both acts at this stage in the game is going to be a tough road ahead.
Fifth Harmony came like a breath of fresh air from X Factor. I love that they're all minorities and down to earth. But they've been through so much in the last 5 years and on paper, they've technically only had 2 hits. I really don't know what the future holds for them.
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Post by think pink. on Aug 5, 2017 17:51:28 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 19:08:41 GMT -5
I'm still smh that they're wasting a VMA spot on Down.
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