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Post by theflying on Oct 8, 2017 18:13:31 GMT -5
^^ But I bet you're racing to call it a top 5 Hot 100 single, right?
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Post by theflying on Oct 8, 2017 18:14:30 GMT -5
So it's only an official single it's pushed to Pop. Ok. Yeah. It's a single if it's pushed to her core format, with a video. You got it.
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Post by Caviar on Oct 8, 2017 18:15:28 GMT -5
It doesn't matter what I call it with exception to it being a SINGLE. Which was the point I was making.
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Post by theflying on Oct 8, 2017 18:16:44 GMT -5
It doesn't matter what I call it with exception to it being a SINGLE. Which was the point I was making. Ok. Cool. Then it's a Top 5 Billboard Hot 100 single. Seems like Taylor is slaying RN tbh.
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Post by deepston on Oct 8, 2017 18:23:22 GMT -5
People are deluding themselves here -- it is #18 on Pop radio. It is a single. Doesn't matter if there is a video, radio adds date, or not. It's a single. So if a radio picks a random song from an album it is automatically a single? You're the only delusional person here. Edit: Maybe not the only delusional one though
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Post by upsidedown on Oct 8, 2017 18:36:56 GMT -5
People are deluding themselves here -- it is #18 on Pop radio. It is a single. Doesn't matter if there is a video, radio adds date, or not. It's a single. So if a radio picks a random song from an album it is automatically a single? You're the only delusional person here. Edit: Maybe not the only delusional one though A) It wasn't a random song, it was a very timed-out release B) Radio didn't randomly pick it up -- the label most definitely had a say if it was going to be played. They knew what they were doing when they released it, and stations would not be playing it if the label made sure it was not a single, considering I'm highly sure that the label was aware that RFI could easily cut into Look's spins
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Post by upsidedown on Oct 8, 2017 18:37:34 GMT -5
I like this song and I’m actually rooting for it, so I am not trying to take a side by asking this question. But, for comparisons sake, do promo singles usually have a radio edit serviced to stations? I thought that was the original bone of contention earlier in this thread. They made a radio edit available and it ended up eating spins from LWYMMD because that was taken as the go ahead for PDs to to start playing the song in rotation if they wanted. I thought that was an usual move. Did I misunderstand that? Nope. You're correct. Stations played it/are playing it with the go-ahead from the label. There's a reason it has a radio edit -- BECAUSE IT'S A SINGLE
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Post by deepston on Oct 8, 2017 18:42:23 GMT -5
It's pointless to even try... Why are you so pressed at this being a single or not anyway? It was #4 on BB and it's run was NOTHING like a single's run but much more like a promo... i don't get your ideas xD
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Post by Exclusive on Oct 8, 2017 19:13:15 GMT -5
Please don't make this thread LWYMMD 2 please
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Post by Au$tin on Oct 8, 2017 19:20:59 GMT -5
Being a single on Rhythmic only doesn't mean it's the 2nd overall single on my opinion. Unfortunately, opinions can't change actual facts. Posting this again since some of y'all apparently can't read... If a song is for sale and sent to radio, it's a single. Period. Just because it's sent to Rhythmic instead of CHR doesn't make it a "half single". Save As Draft just flopped No. I mean, yes, Save as Draft flopped, but it flopped where it was released to. It wasn't sent to pop at all, therefore it couldn't possibly flop there since it didn't even get the chance. This is a single, yes, you are correct in that statement. It's also the second single just like Begin Again was the second single of Red. However, it hasn't been released to pop radio, meaning it's still not a single here.When people refer to second single here, they mean a second single released to pop radio. This is not that because that hasn't actually happened yet. Radio is actually allowed to play whatever they want, single status be damned, and that's what's happening here, but that still doesn't automatically make it one. Likewise, Galway Girl is Divide's third single. However, it wasn't released in the US at all, making Perfect the third single in the US. On the flip side, the AAA and alternative formats received Castle on the Hill before Shape of You, making Castle the lead single on those formats. This undoubtedly is the second overall single, but so far it's only been released to rhythmic, meaning that a second single has yet to be released to pop radio.That's how the industry works. All of this being said, actually releasing this to pop radio would have only a minor effect on its airplay on this format at this point and likely wouldn't do much for the song as a whole because it's already so widely known that it should've taken off completely on its own single status be damned. It is the second single from this album now, even though it wasn't the second single for pop radio.
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Post by Juanca on Oct 8, 2017 19:21:52 GMT -5
Just a few reminders: - this song was premiered by all iHeart radio stations and serviced with a radio edit... in a way similar to COTH leaving stations open to play it - Taylor's team has the power to stop airplay, as they showed in 1989 era when they asked stations not to play a couple of singles and wait for their radio edit --they didn't do that for RFI - a video is not a requirement for a song to be a single. Love on the brain, One dance, Water under the bridge among others say HI - Songs have become singles without being officially sent for adds too. Adele might be one of recent examples, but there are several others. At one point radio has gone so far that labels don't bother sending a song for adds... they can interrupt a non-single course and thus create these anomalies. Classic examples: Maneater and Don't Lie, whose lives (and clear potential success -argh!) got cut short by labels pushing another single instead Anyway. Interested in seeing what happens with this song and era. Interesting that Taylor would focus so much on Rhythmic of all genres tho (huh?)
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 8, 2017 19:23:42 GMT -5
You're all delusional. There are so many different types of singles nowadays. This is a single. IT was a promo single, it was given a push. It's still a single. Is it a traditional single? Maybe not. Who cares?
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Post by theflying on Oct 8, 2017 19:25:03 GMT -5
(the official second single by the biggest pop star in the world will have a video)
Ding ding ding!
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Post by deepston on Oct 8, 2017 19:28:33 GMT -5
This is becoming a mess, let's stop with this pointless discussion please.
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Post by tinawina on Oct 8, 2017 19:50:53 GMT -5
I like this song and I’m actually rooting for it, so I am not trying to take a side by asking this question. But, for comparisons sake, do promo singles usually have a radio edit serviced to stations? I thought that was the original bone of contention earlier in this thread. They made a radio edit available and it ended up eating spins from LWYMMD because that was taken as the go ahead for PDs to to start playing the song in rotation if they wanted. I thought that was an usual move. Did I misunderstand that? Nope. You're correct. Stations played it/are playing it with the go-ahead from the label. There's a reason it has a radio edit -- BECAUSE IT'S A SINGLE Thanks! I don’t think it really matters whether it’s called a single or not. Bottom line it was provided to radio stations with the purpose of getting airplay. That said releasing 2 songs to radio at once is a pretty novel strategy. I don’t know how to judge whether it was a success or not. The other one was treated as THE lead single so that’s easier to gauge. This did manage to make some real noise though so I guess that’s good? It’s was pretty much an extra. Honestly I think if either song was undeniable this wouldn’t be an argument.
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Post by maine on Oct 8, 2017 20:23:07 GMT -5
You guys this isn't even a real single, calm the hell down. It went farther than anyone would have thought. It was sent to radio, played by radio, reached Top 20. It's a *real* single. Don't play yourself. It has not been sent to radio. For pop, that is.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Oct 8, 2017 20:40:14 GMT -5
This reminds me of our girl Nelly Furtado's 'Maneater' situation.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Oct 8, 2017 21:21:52 GMT -5
I think everyone knows what people mean when they say this isn't a single, but we love the technicality and semantics games on Pulse. Yes, ok, this is technically a single, because it was officially serviced to Rhythmic radio. This makes the song a single. But a "single" in the "traditional" sense (pushed across the board officially, particularly to core formats), it is not. This will be remembered as a Rhythmic-only release. I think both sides sense what people are meaning here, just love to argue moot points.
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Post by theflying on Oct 8, 2017 22:03:21 GMT -5
^^^ Completely agreed, except instead of "moot points", the real agenda is, generally, to make Taylor look better or worse. Which is silly, because if you deem this a Single, it's a freaking #4 Hot 100 peaking single.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Oct 8, 2017 22:48:32 GMT -5
^^^ Completely agreed, except instead of "moot points", the real agenda is, generally, to make Taylor look better or worse. Which is silly, because if you deem this a Single, it's a freaking #4 Hot 100 peaking single. And #4 peaking songs can still be considered flops or underperformances.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 8, 2017 22:52:09 GMT -5
I think everyone knows what people mean when they say this isn't a single, but we love the technicality and semantics games on Pulse. Yes, ok, this is technically a single, because it was officially serviced to Rhythmic radio. This makes the song a single. But a "single" in the "traditional" sense (pushed across the board officially, particularly to core formats), it is not. This will be remembered as a Rhythmic-only release. I think both sides sense what people are meaning here, just love to argue moot points. Only on Pulse. For everyone else, it'll be remembered as a song released widely before the album to iTunes and streaming, and for those who live in areas where it's getting airplay, it'll be remembered for that too. Personally, I think the whole idea of "the single" is on the way out. Of course, the traditional single is a song that gets a wide-radio release on a primary format (pop, rock or country) along with a music video. But nowadays you have songs that get videos without getting a radio release, or vice versa. Then you have lyric videos, promo videos, digitally-serviced singles, pre-album-release promo singles, radio promo singles, internet singles, etc.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Oct 8, 2017 23:50:26 GMT -5
I think everyone knows what people mean when they say this isn't a single, but we love the technicality and semantics games on Pulse. Yes, ok, this is technically a single, because it was officially serviced to Rhythmic radio. This makes the song a single. But a "single" in the "traditional" sense (pushed across the board officially, particularly to core formats), it is not. This will be remembered as a Rhythmic-only release. I think both sides sense what people are meaning here, just love to argue moot points. Only on Pulse. For everyone else, it'll be remembered as a song released widely before the album to iTunes and streaming, and for those who live in areas where it's getting airplay, it'll be remembered for that too. Well, yes, but I doubt the general population even thinks about radio release dates, what constitutes a proper single, and 90% of the things being discussed and/or argued over here. Lol
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Post by Josh Spicer on Oct 9, 2017 1:07:25 GMT -5
It's kinda hard to say that if it doesn't show up on pop it's not a single when the only topic created for the song is on the Pop section.
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Post by deepston on Oct 9, 2017 5:40:51 GMT -5
^^^ Completely agreed, except instead of "moot points", the real agenda is, generally, to make Taylor look better or worse. Which is silly, because if you deem this a Single, it's a freaking #4 Hot 100 peaking single. And #4 peaking songs can still be considered flops or underperformances. Reminds me of a certain lead single that flopped for sure!
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Post by theflying on Oct 9, 2017 6:31:49 GMT -5
I love how casually everyone's managed to avoid mentioning the word "video" in this single debate, like that isn't the most obvious, clearly differentiating factor. Yeah, like One Dance and Love On The Brain weren't singles either. Name me a Taylor Swift second single with no video.
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Post by jughead on Oct 9, 2017 6:55:39 GMT -5
Yeah, like One Dance and Love On The Brain weren't singles either. Name me a Taylor Swift second single with no video. I didn’t know Taylor has her own rules.
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Post by NeRD on Oct 9, 2017 7:07:50 GMT -5
People are deluding themselves here -- it is #18 on Pop radio. It is a single. Doesn't matter if there is a video, radio adds date, or not. It's a single. This logic is a bit flawed. Just because radio picked the song up on its own and it managed to reach Top 20 on Pop does not make it a single. I do agree however now that it has a Rhythmic adds date, it should now be considered a single.
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Post by NeRD on Oct 9, 2017 7:16:10 GMT -5
^^^ Completely agreed, except instead of "moot points", the real agenda is, generally, to make Taylor look better or worse. Which is silly, because if you deem this a Single, it's a freaking #4 Hot 100 peaking single. And #4 peaking songs can still be considered flops or underperformances. And in what world would this song be seen as a flop or underperformance?
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Post by NeRD on Oct 9, 2017 7:17:54 GMT -5
So if a radio picks a random song from an album it is automatically a single? You're the only delusional person here. Edit: Maybe not the only delusional one though A) It wasn't a random song, it was a very timed-out release B) Radio didn't randomly pick it up -- the label most definitely had a say if it was going to be played. They knew what they were doing when they released it, and stations would not be playing it if the label made sure it was not a single, considering I'm highly sure that the label was aware that RFI could easily cut into Look's spins You are making two VERY bold responses with zero evidence here... PS: I just made three consecutive posts. Sorry.
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 9, 2017 7:23:41 GMT -5
POP: 18 18 TAYLOR SWIFT Ready For It 4926 4651 275 27.347
+11 Spins -214 Bullet +0.039 Audience
HOT AC: 30 27 TAYLOR SWIFT Ready For It 672 524 148 3.615
+19 Spins -12 Bullet +0.117 Audience
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