Duca
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Post by Duca on Oct 4, 2017 12:34:50 GMT -5
SAY IT AIN'T SO, AMATO
According to Bible insiders, Lyor “Lyr” Cohen has closed John Amato by making him think he matters, and so YouTube streams—including user-generated clips incorporating music—will now, for the first time, be factored into the determination of the Top 200 album chart.This development has brought a resounding cry of “Bring back the Min” from label execs. All this comes as anti-YouTube sentiment in the business hits a new peak, and Google’s video giant thumbs its nose at content providers’ complaints about the service not sharing the wealth—countering that music is less important than cat videos. And YouTube couldn’t have picked a more controversial villain to do its bidding than Lyr. Amato watchers have long predicted that Lyr would close him—the bible prez is notorious as a backstage wannabe who’ll attend the opening of an envelope. It's time for the rights holders to take back the power. As discussions begin about a new chart model based on the label-driven U.K. approach, will the rights holders attempt to withhold their data? They have the leverage; will they use it now? Brits, after all, head up the three majors and the biggest indies. They know it’s possible to establish charts that reflect the actual marketplace rather than the swamp of dancing-kitty clips. 
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rimetm
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Post by rimetm on Oct 4, 2017 13:18:46 GMT -5
I thought I knew my way around charts but I can't understand this article. What are these names? What is this situation? What's this about leverage? Huh?
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Oct 4, 2017 17:33:04 GMT -5
I thought I knew my way around charts but I can't understand this article. What are these names? What is this situation? What's this about leverage? Huh? Lyor Cohen used to be the head of both Def Jam and Warner Music back some years ago and went Independent eventually. YouTube picked him up in recent years to be the head of their Music division. John Amato is the President of two of the biggest media publications when it comes to music and movies, The Hollywood Reporter and Billboard. YouTube is using John Lyor into strong arming John Amato into making the streams on YouTube count towards The Top 200 album chart which would help bloat the industry even more. With the current YouTube adpocalypse with sponsors dropping out and creators losing money due to copyright and demonetization, this would in the long run bring those sponsors back and the labels would also pour more money into YouTube. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Oct 4, 2017 17:55:38 GMT -5
Damn, memes are going to count toward the Billboard 200 ... that's terrible!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 22:19:41 GMT -5
Damn, memes are going to count toward the Billboard 200 ... that's terrible! I doubt it's gonna make much diffrence. These meme songs aren't even part of actual albums most of the time. |
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Post by 85la on Oct 4, 2017 22:33:15 GMT -5
Well if it counts toward singles, why not albums as well.
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Post by shayonce on Oct 5, 2017 0:55:32 GMT -5
this is the right direction for billboard as they count everything with no regulation, so why not.
whole argument of counting audio streaming was popular/make money, and youtube too. they just need to change ratio of it with youtube's low payment.
RIAA already count youtube for single/album certification with 1,500 ratio same as audio, I hope it changed too.
and viral video is no big deal, most of video views are still driven by single's performance on chart.(=radio)
also considering audio streaming is heavily driven by playlist and its position, not so different.
more single driven market. that's all.
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Post by Au$tin on Oct 5, 2017 1:35:08 GMT -5
This really isn't a big deal. Streaming already counts on the BB 200, so this is just completing that.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Oct 6, 2017 10:14:08 GMT -5
HDD has more on the saga: YOUTUBE SITUATION WORSENSIndustryites are apoplectic over the Bible’s reported plans to include YouTube streams in its Top 200 chart—which has refocused attention on the formula behind its Hot 100 chart, in which a YouTube view counts the same as a stream from Spotify or Apple Music. Top execs at rights holders want YouTube out of the Hot 100 altogether and are very vocally objecting to the absurd notion of further empowering Lyor “Lyr” Cohen and company. These execs note that unlike other streaming services, YouTube requires no login, increasing the potential—and now incentive—for manipulation and fraud. |
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Post by Au$tin on Oct 6, 2017 10:21:59 GMT -5
That's hilarious. As if needing to make an account stops rabid fans from whoring songs on Spotify or Apple Music...
Also, HDD has some wrong information there. A YouTube stream is not counted the same as a Spotify stream. YouTube carries less weight on the Hot 100, and I assume the same will be for the Billboard 200.
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rimetm
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Post by rimetm on Oct 6, 2017 10:32:19 GMT -5
Actually, if the information from the 2015 chart year still holds water...
For the purposes of the Hot 100 (and purportedly the BB200 soon(?)), YouTube streams count towards On-Demand instead of Radio streams; what threw us all off was that they didn't include them in the On-Demand Songs chart.
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