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Post by greentoo on Dec 3, 2017 15:37:59 GMT -5
What are the chances of a Mylo and Cynthia scum team? Theyβve both been very inactive since the start. Itβs probably a coincidence as I donβt think theyβd try and make it that obvious to not post at all. Neither have voted yet either.
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Post by willapted33 on Dec 3, 2017 15:39:47 GMT -5
One of the first things I noticed was Cynthia was very inactive. And now that you bring it up, Mylo hasn't said much since the start.
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Post by Mylo13 π on Dec 3, 2017 15:41:50 GMT -5
I very much apologise for being inactive, I went to Melbourne for the weekend and the motel's wifi was AWFUL. However, I'm here now and I can talk. For starters, I'm not really feeling a willapted lynch. He wasn't helpful exactly, but I don't think he's our best bet. For starters, inactivity unfortunately means not much to talk about, meaning his lynch wouldn't give us that much information. Secondly, all of his posts seem like a new player trying to understand the game mechanics. Finally, I think there's better players to lynch. If necessary, I will throw a vote if that's our only lynch option. I'm not that supportive of a Cynthia lynch either (For lack of information), but I would say that what she's posted hasn't necessarily been helpful. Out of the rest of the players, I'd support a lynch of Gravey or Greentoo. Gravey has just adopted the method of 'I don't know what to do yet!' and 'I need more information'! Which is an easy get-away from actually helping town. It's not necessarily a scum move, but instead of also trying to contribute he shows up when there's suspicion on him and when someone tags him. He doesn't really put much new ideas forward. For now, I'm voting for him. Vote: Gravey Greentoo hasn't been particularly scum either, but there are a few points I want to make. Ooh, a vote against me, I wasnβt expecting that. This kind of makes it seem like he expected people not to find suspicion in him. And until then, I didn't. But then: Please donβt vote for me straight away. I know I can be very useful in this game and it wouldnβt be good to get rid of me. This is not a good attitude to have in this game. Not only does it disregard peoples suspicions of him, it also gives no reason to clear him. To greentoo , why should we not vote for you? Will you bring new ideas to the table? Will you think of a game-changing idea? Will you correctly spot a scum-slip? You definitely need to start showing, and not just telling. And then his response when I originally found it a bit suspicious was this: Okay, this is interesting. Firstly, greentoo , I understand that this is your first game and you don't really understand everything yet, but saying something like "Plz don't vote for me!" is not helpful to town. If you want to avoid being voted for, ask questions. Ask a player why they don't find another one suspicious. Ask castle about the general set-up. And if people vote for you, that does not mean they are scum/mafia. They could be, but don't forget there is only 3/4 mafia members, and odds are they won't all attack the same person. Often, new players get pressure put on them because no one knows their playing style. Secondly, willapted33 , you haven't participated much at all this day period. If you are still confused, you can ask questions. If you understand the game, please talk. A majority if the time, the first day lynch is an inactive. Right now, that is undoubtedly you. Thirdly, Leo β , I'd just assume the person used a PM to tell castle. I knew people would pick me up on saying that. I just wanted to put it out there and test my luck. Iβll try and be more useful from now on. "Test my luck". "Put it out there".Okay, I have to go, but I will finish this later (I have to go to school now)
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Post by Mylo13 π on Dec 3, 2017 15:45:20 GMT -5
And then I miss a ~10 posts #SorryIWas Typing!
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Post by greentoo on Dec 3, 2017 15:45:40 GMT -5
Btw donβt read too much into that post βOoh, a vote against me, I wasnβt expecting that.β I just wanted something to say; honestly, it means nothing.
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Post by zaclord π on Dec 3, 2017 16:01:19 GMT -5
...and now I'm getting paranoid at how easily and quickly this willtaped wagon is building with little resistance, idk if it warrants the five votes it has at this point based on the current evidence against him. Still waiting for his response to hopefully clear things up. Pretty busy this afternoon and evening but I'll try to pop in if I can, thankfully with the extension that isn't as much of a problem. Valid point definitely worth noting. Will has been the least active and the wagon really did form pretty quickly. However, his below post doesn't make me feel strongly against not voting for him. Maybe he is innocent because he's so nonchalant about the votes piling up, but still the lack of effort is a little startling. I honestly don't know how to respond to anything I can clear one thing up though, for people saying I'm inactive it's because the main time I'm on Pulse, barely anything happens and no one's really online, and the most active time for Pulse is when I'm asleep. Conversation here doesn't have to happen in real time. You've got plenty of time to look back and analyze other people's posts and post your own thoughts when the rest of us are sleeping and then we'll comment back when we wake up. That's why the Day phases last 3 days - for that back and forth conversation and so everyone has time to analyze and respond adequately. I honestly don't know how to respond to anything I can clear one thing up though, for people saying I'm inactive it's because the main time I'm on Pulse, barely anything happens and no one's really online, and the most active time for Pulse is when I'm asleep. Do you have suspicions of anyone other than me? If so, give reasons. There ya go! Great way to add pressure to Will to contribute specific things to the conversation so that everyone gets more information. Looking forward to his response. What's a teoen?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 22:25:57 GMT -5
willapted immediately echoing greento is weird (also, and this might be a reach, but I get the impression they're piggybacking off of the recent "mylo's content is lacking" but not actually understanding that it wasn't an activity issue, but a content issue). Also shades of normusic with the "just fyi what I said was totally NOT suspicious" from greento. I don't think green would put will at L2 if they were aligned, so that's not what I'm saying; more that this exchange is making me look at will. Not willing to vote just yet as I'd like a more concrete defense out him. The whole "well I'm not on when you guys are" isn't really helpfulβmost of scum were in the same boat last game, but you should still be trying to stay engaged when you are on.
RE: lynch wagon being convenient I thought the same thing but looking back I'm starting to see the logic, lol. Not willing to put a vote down because he's still at L2 (sliiiight FOS, or at least a wyd on thewebinator for calling out how quickly it formed, but still leaving your vote there anyway) but as of this moment I'm not against this lynch.
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Post by Mylo13 π on Dec 3, 2017 23:12:39 GMT -5
We have approx ~24 hours.
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Post by Web on Dec 3, 2017 23:38:19 GMT -5
willapted immediately echoing greento is weird (also, and this might be a reach, but I get the impression they're piggybacking off of the recent "mylo's content is lacking" but not actually understanding that it wasn't an activity issue, but a content issue). Also shades of normusic with the "just fyi what I said was totally NOT suspicious" from greento. I don't think green would put will at L2 if they were aligned, so that's not what I'm saying; more that this exchange is making me look at will. Not willing to vote just yet as I'd like a more concrete defense out him. The whole "well I'm not on when you guys are" isn't really helpfulβmost of scum were in the same boat last game, but you should still be trying to stay engaged when you are on. RE: lynch wagon being convenient I thought the same thing but looking back I'm starting to see the logic, lol. Not willing to put a vote down because he's still at L2 (sliiiight FOS, or at least a wyd on thewebinator for calling out how quickly it formed, but still leaving your vote there anyway) but as of this moment I'm not against this lynch. yeah I would have pulled the vote off if reaching majority meant end of day, but since I still hadn't seen a response from will and there wasn't a similarly bad-looking target to jump to I didn't see a reason to unvote. I guess my second target at this point would be gravey but there's a decent gap between the two in my mind. I also appreciate the effort from Sam digging through the interactions and giving his thoughts and hope he continues to show that for the rest of D1. I do get the "first game so having difficulty figuring out what to do" mentality but will isn't even asking questions down that route to clarify where he's lost, he's purely echoing the thoughts of others. Imo the biggest downside to a will lynch was brought up by Milo, that a willtaped lynch doesn't give us much to go on since he's said so little. The counterpoint to this is plenty of people have offered their thoughts on will that can be analyzed D2 and beyond, so it's not as if his name has been completely out of the discussion. I don't see much logic in a cynthia wagon (though looking at the votes now it has largely died out) at this point since she's in the same boat information-wise as will and brings more experience that could really help the town find its footing. Pushing/pressuring on her absence seems to me more like a D2 play than a D1 play, though I do hope she shows back up at some point. final note the "I just wanted something to say, honestly" thing looks pretty bad from greentoo (also has that "honestly" tacked on there that reminds me of Trump's "believe me" he throws on the end of his sentences lol) but he's still giving me newbie town vibes.
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Post by Mylo13 π on Dec 4, 2017 6:35:27 GMT -5
I'm planning on writing up a big post within the hour, just a few things i've got to do first.
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Post by Mylo13 π on Dec 4, 2017 7:50:06 GMT -5
So, time zones are not going to be in my favour for this game. I've worked out that the timeline will finish at 3pm tomorrow, meaning I won't be able to help before school. Right now, it's approaching 11pm, so I'm going to have to sleep soon. I might have around 10 minutes in the morning to check on this, but I wouldn't count on it. So I'm going to try help as much as I can in case I get a sudden wagon on me or I get night-killed. I didn't see that about the roles, but I checked and I'll be waiting for the clarification too. We can't edit our posts right? Because I'm affraid if I wrote something incorrect that could made me on the edge. This doesn't make me think of scum, particularly as he made four grammar mistakes in this post alone. It doesn't make me think he's more town though. Morning all, am ready to get this going and see if we could be as great as last game finding all the scum right away. Okay, you all remember how some people last game got suspicion for being too enthusiastic about mafia kills aka me, I find this a lesser version of that. It only added a tiny bit of suspicion to him though, as the main people who did it last game turned out to be town anyway. I would post something but everyone has pretty much beat me in asking what I wanted asked and the answers as well, so I am just watching. If something comes up such as answering something or asking something else will do it.What? This is a terrible mindset to have, not just in game, but in real life too. By that logic, none of us should talk, as Castle would tell us to talk. Again, this doesn't necessarily make me think you as more of a scum member, but it does make me think you won't be a particularly helpful town member in the future. Look at scum trying to team up on the noob again. They tried with mylo last game and look what happened. Okay, this doesn't actually have anything to do with finding gravey more suspicious or not, but the scum last game pretty much ignored me last game, aside from a tiny blip in Day 1 that was almost immediately forgotten about. Mainly when he said to not vote for him because he would be useful Maybe youβre worried that someone useful could find out who you are. This... doesn't sit well with me. For starters, why would Will even mention that would be why he voted for him if he wanted to avoid attention on him? Secondly, this is yet another occasion when Greentoo has said he's a needed player, despite not showing us many new ideas that make sense. Greentoo: You didn't answer my question of why we needed to not vote you out. What will you bring to the table? Why should we vote for Will or Cynthia or me over you?
I donβt see what Iβm saying thatβs making me so suspicious to most of you. Willapted seems suspicious to me. This post annoys me. Why do you say "I don't understand why you guys are suspicious of me", then say someone else is suspicious with no reasoning. You do realise Will is in the same position as you here? I would just assume they say "I've made my decision to join town/mafia" or some variant of that. Are you planning on voting for anyone? If so, is there any reason? Maybe I'm having a bad case of tunnel vision here, but seriously? I'm fine with you asking if I'm voting for anyone (even if the answer should be obvious), but asking if I'd have reasoning behind my vote, particularly when you didn't provide reasoning for your last vote, is either bad wording or hinting that I wouldn't have reason behind my votes. Okay, I need to stop. I'm becoming WAY too focused on greentoo and gravey, let me look for a few other players interesting quotes. idk why but watching the votes I'm feeling scum vibes from will and sam, two mafia newbies voting for one town newbie which is trying to get in the game seems an easy lynch. The other mafia could be a old inactive player (aka cynthia or mylo). Vote: willapted33I like the reasoning behind this, even if I don't find either of the two players suspicious. However, I do have to ask why you don't think it could be with an old active player? Do you find everyone else town? Or just think that being inactive is a mafia tactic? And as I'm looking through, there's not really anything I want to comment on that isn't Gravey or greentoo. I'm sorry that this post wasn't as helpful as I was hoping it'd be, hopefully it gave you a rough idea of my thoughts as we finish Day 1. As for my vote, It's obviously between gravey and greentoo, but I'm voting greentoo because I think gravey would be more helpful in coming days. vote: Greentoo
NOTE: I will be on in approximately 7 hours from this post. If you have any question about anything I said in this post, please just ask and I will respond to as much as I can.
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Post by Leo β on Dec 4, 2017 10:06:39 GMT -5
Y'all shading me for my grammar mistakes... smh
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 12:31:49 GMT -5
Iβm going into work so I wonβt be around for like, anything today. Iβm fine if we settle on willapted since it doesnβt seem like heβs going to defend himself... at all. I still think my strongest scum read is gravey though, so my vote is staying there unless I can make it back on and we need a hammer. Cynthia should know better than to be this inactive for this long, but thatβs more town than scum to me. The only merit to that one is getting rid of someone who is pretty checked out, lol. Greentoo is still one big questionmark but Iβd be more inclined to look into him once we have more information. Going into D2 I want to look at Az. Heβs giving me town vibes but Iβm lowkey put off by how easily he called me town since he never does that So my personal targets today would be: gravey willapted Greentoo Cynthia (policy) In that order.
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Post by Leo β on Dec 4, 2017 12:37:28 GMT -5
Seems like we won't have lynch today. I stick with my vote.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 12:40:33 GMT -5
I guess that a willapted or a cynthia lynch is the best choice, although leaning more towards cynthia than willapted. Leaving my vote as of now since still plenty of time left. Will see what ends up happening next few hours and then if I have no other choice then I guess that I will have to maybe change my vote to willapted even though I fear that he is legit Town.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 12:44:56 GMT -5
Seems like we won't have lynch today. I stick with my vote. We sure as hell better. No lynch is almost NEVER a viable option. Even if town lynches the wrong person, we still get information like who voted for them, when, how the wagon formed, etc. that we can use going into the following day. If we lynch no one, we wasted a Day phase and itβs basically like scum started the game with a free kill. Iβm going to strongly advise against that to new players. Donβt quickhammer or rush to lynch either, but we need to be prepared to if we need to closer to deadline. Itβs one thing to leave your vote where it right now since we still have some hours left in the day, but donβt resign yourself to no lynch.
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Post by zaclord π on Dec 4, 2017 13:14:21 GMT -5
Iβll be on after work to share some updated thoughts. I agree with Kunt though on the people Iβd be willing to lynch. Greentoo would probably be last on my list instead of Cynthia though. Heβs been fishy but that may mean heβs a power role, not necessarily a mafia.
The fact that Will hasnβt even attempted to defend himself or ask any questions to try and turn attention on someone else is strange to me though. Either means heβs just really checked out and doesnβt care or something weird is going on.
Iβd prefer gravey (still think him protecting all newbies was weird and never got a real explanation of that) or will (lack of effort) as my top picks for D1 Lynch
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Post by Web on Dec 4, 2017 14:11:08 GMT -5
I'm busy with classes today so won't be on to offer full thoughts until roughly 6PM ET (5 hours before EOD), but this gravey post jumped out at me while reading: I guess that a willapted or a cynthia lynch is the best choice, although leaning more towards cynthia than willapted. Leaving my vote as of now since still plenty of time left. Will see what ends up happening next few hours and then if I have no other choice then I guess that I will have to maybe change my vote to willapted even though I fear that he is legit Town.What do you mean by willtaped being the one of the two best choices if you think he's legit town as you say later in this post? Also the sentence that I bolded has like 4 different qualifiers in it, really strikes me as trying to take absolutely 0 responsibility for being late hopping on a wagon that you might already know will flip town. Solid FoS on gravey for this post.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 14:15:12 GMT -5
I'm busy with classes today so won't be on to offer full thoughts until roughly 6PM ET (5 hours before EOD), but this gravey post jumped out at me while reading: I guess that a willapted or a cynthia lynch is the best choice, although leaning more towards cynthia than willapted. Leaving my vote as of now since still plenty of time left. Will see what ends up happening next few hours and then if I have no other choice then I guess that I will have to maybe change my vote to willapted even though I fear that he is legit Town.What do you mean by willtaped being the one of the two best choices if you think he's legit town as you say later in this post? Also the sentence that I bolded has like 4 different qualifiers in it, really strikes me as trying to take absolutely 0 responsibility for being late hopping on a wagon that you might already know will flip town. Solid FoS on gravey for this post. Cause he the one who has their most votes on him and if we have to lynch somebody then it seems like it has to be him apparently according to the others. But overall, I may end up being wrong and that will is indeed Mafia but who knows. Wills play reminds me of jj22s play last Mafia game.
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Post by Web on Dec 4, 2017 14:20:06 GMT -5
I'm busy with classes today so won't be on to offer full thoughts until roughly 6PM ET (5 hours before EOD), but this gravey post jumped out at me while reading: What do you mean by willtaped being the one of the two best choices if you think he's legit town as you say later in this post? Also the sentence that I bolded has like 4 different qualifiers in it, really strikes me as trying to take absolutely 0 responsibility for being late hopping on a wagon that you might already know will flip town. Solid FoS on gravey for this post. Cause he the one who has their most votes on him and if we have to lynch somebody then it seems like it has to be him apparently according to the others. But overall, I may end up being wrong and that will is indeed Mafia but who knows. Wills play reminds me of jj22s play last Mafia game. by jj22 you mean Broccoli, who flipped mafia after being lynched on D1?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 14:24:26 GMT -5
Cause he the one who has their most votes on him and if we have to lynch somebody then it seems like it has to be him apparently according to the others. But overall, I may end up being wrong and that will is indeed Mafia but who knows. Wills play reminds me of jj22s play last Mafia game. by jj22 you mean Broccoli, who flipped mafia after being lynched on D1? Yes. Wills play is somewhat reminding me of his.
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Post by Sambalada on Dec 4, 2017 15:03:15 GMT -5
Welp reading all through the discussions, wether will is town or scum, he isn't doing much either way Vote: willapted
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Post by Mylo13 π on Dec 4, 2017 15:04:02 GMT -5
Okay, I'm here for ~10 minutes.
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Post by greentoo on Dec 4, 2017 15:10:09 GMT -5
Okay, I'm here for ~10 minutes. When I asked who you were voting for, I was just interested. I didnβt mean it in the way you implied. I was trying to be more involved in the game like people say we should be.
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Post by Mylo13 π on Dec 4, 2017 15:12:12 GMT -5
Okay, I'm here for ~10 minutes. When I asked who you were voting for, I was just interested. I didnβt mean it in the way you implied. I was trying to be more involved in the game like people say we should be. Okay, that's fine. I was pretty tired, and I kind of clung to anything tbh. But greentoo, can you answer my question?
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Post by greentoo on Dec 4, 2017 15:15:34 GMT -5
When I asked who you were voting for, I was just interested. I didnβt mean it in the way you implied. I was trying to be more involved in the game like people say we should be. Okay, that's fine. I was pretty tired, and I kind of clung to anything tbh. But greentoo, can you answer my question? I donβt know how to answer it except that Iβm actually participating in the game unlike the other two people you mentioned. I hope I can become more helpful as the game progresses and I learn more. I donβt know what else I can say that people will believe.
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 4, 2017 15:55:57 GMT -5
Okay Gravey continues to be wishy-washy and I'm not loving it. Also kinda kicking myself for still being half-in half-out in regard to my focus on this game, but I'm not sure whether to leave my vote on the Will wagon or go elsewhere - by this point time is slipping away from us again and it doesn't look like an alternative wagon is presenting itself (at least, not one I have any real desire to partake in this Day phase ie. greentoo)
I also think it might be beneficial to point out for our first timers that last game was highly irregular in how we played a perfect game - so much of that was because we just fell into making the right choice, the only scum we properly caught was Normusic on D2 when Albie got a positive cop result. We could well get lucky again and strike mafia first with Will, but it will not be a wasted lynch even if he is Town because it gives us something else to talk about and start making connections.
My basic question is, do we think Will is the best option this Day phase? Or is there any reason we should change focus this close to deadline?
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Post by Web on Dec 4, 2017 16:13:10 GMT -5
at this point I think our options are pretty much limited to gravey or willapted (and greentoo I guess but I'm not a fan of that lynch at all), and gravey's recent post I pointed out above gave me some pause. Btw if anyone has any last second cases they want to push other than these two then now is the time to bring it up.
The reason I haven't changed my vote is I feel that gravey will at least remain semi-active and responsive to questions so it will be easier to pinpoint his affiliation in future days whereas willapted seems content with being completely silent for the rest of the day. Worst case scenario if he's a mislynch he wasn't very helpful to town and we can move ahead without having to consider what his likely inactivity indicates every single day phase. The rest of my reasons I've stated a few times throughout the day but his voting history isn't great.
I'm also not sure who is and isn't tuned out for the day with timezones and schedules, and with the willapted wagon only one vote away from majority at this point (I think), I'd hate to peel a few votes off and then be left scrambling to piece back together majority wagon in the last hour.
What we really need now is everyone throwing out some final D1 thoughts so we can have the most information heading into D2, so no one should afraid to speak up.
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Post by greentoo on Dec 4, 2017 16:18:00 GMT -5
at this point I think our options are pretty much limited to gravey or willapted (and greentoo I guess but I'm not a fan of that lynch at all), and gravey's recent post I pointed out above gave me some pause. Btw if anyone has any last second cases they want to push other than these two then now is the time to bring it up. The reason I haven't changed my vote is I feel that gravey will at least remain semi-active and responsive to questions so it will be easier to pinpoint his affiliation in future days whereas willapted seems content with being completely silent for the rest of the day. Worst case scenario if he's a mislynch he wasn't very helpful to town and we can move ahead without having to consider what his likely inactivity indicates every single day phase. The rest of my reasons I've stated a few times throughout the day but his voting history isn't great. I'm also not sure who is and isn't tuned out for the day with timezones and schedules, and with the willapted wagon only one vote away from majority at this point (I think), I'd hate to peel a few votes off and then be left scrambling to piece back together majority wagon in the last hour. What we really need now is everyone throwing out some final D1 thoughts so we can have the most information heading into D2, so no one should afraid to speak up. For people in the UK (me), the day ends at 4:00 am. Itβs 9:15pm at the moment here so I wonβt be on for that much longer. So my vote is pretty much locked in unless anything happens within the next hour or so.
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Post by Mylo13 π on Dec 4, 2017 16:59:20 GMT -5
I'm here quickly before class starts, and it doesn't look good.
I really don't feel safe with a Willapted lynch, not only because I find him town, but also because I don't think it would provide much new talk/ideas in Day 2. However, a no lynch is not a good idea so early in the game, so Vote: Willapted33
If it seems like a gravey or greentoo lynch will happen, I'll try and send a vote (Depending on how much I can get away with during class), but as of now neither seem to have the support.
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