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Post by greentoo on Dec 4, 2017 17:08:41 GMT -5
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Post by Web on Dec 4, 2017 18:52:33 GMT -5
I'm back, not sure who else is around but I think willapted is exactly at majority right now. Hopefully we'll get a formal vote update soon. I'll be around for the rest of the day phase with breaks for dinner, etc. Roughly four hours left in D1 at this point.
Definitely looking at players like zaclord and Snark Knight D2, the latter of which has really slid under the radar this game.
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Dec 4, 2017 20:25:21 GMT -5
DAY ONE All Aboard the Polar Express!
Day One ends Monday Dec 4th at 11pm EST
Deadline approaches and you have a majority at this time, will it stay?
Here is where we stand right now...
VOTES (if I miss anything please let me know): gravey [2] - zaclord 🌈 , @touch greentoo [1] - willapted33 willapted33 [6] - Web , Leo ✔ , Az Paynter , greentoo , Sambalada , Mylo13 💜 cynthia rose [1] - @walker9
NO VOTE: @antigonerising
ROLES:The ConductorSanta ClausGood ElfKrampusEvil Elves x25x TownspeopleIDENTITY'S:Adam Bowman Bonnie Walsh Chad Watson Chester Garner Della Perez Eloise Nguyen Lance McCormick Laura Campbell Lena Newton Pete Brown Ruben Klein
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Dec 4, 2017 20:25:56 GMT -5
was at work so unable to post an update until now but I'm home for the night so will post updates more often!
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Dec 4, 2017 20:41:37 GMT -5
@touch , zaclord 🌈 , @walker9 , @antigonerising, you all are voting someone other than Willapted33. If necessary, would you vote for willapted if someone took their vote off him? If not, why do you find other people more suspicious?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 20:56:01 GMT -5
@touch , zaclord 🌈 , @walker9 , @antigonerising , you all are voting someone other than Willapted33. If necessary, would you vote for willapted if someone took their vote off him? If not, why do you find other people more suspicious? Because they are lurking more and I feel like they better to lynch but at the same time I can understand why willapted is being lynched.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 21:27:31 GMT -5
I'm home. Gonna read through everything in a bit but to quickly answer Mylo: as stated earlier, yes, I'm willing to move my vote to will if we absolutely need a lynch. I had assumed this game operated under a hammer policy (meaning once majority was lynched, the day phase ended) but that is apparently not the case. I really wish he would at least try to defend himself but that's evidently asking a lot.
Dinner first tho I'm starving.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 21:38:55 GMT -5
Ok yeah no huge revelations here one way or the other based on how this is going down but a few things: zaclord still hasn't followed up on his promise to hop back on later, Az trying to switch gears last minute is kind of weird, and (having said that lol) I'm wondering why thewebinator singled those two out as flying under the radar. I could say the same of a few players right now, actually—most of D1 has been focused on greentoo, gravey, and willapted. What's setting you off here, exactly?
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Dec 4, 2017 21:55:56 GMT -5
@touch , zaclord 🌈 , @walker9 , @antigonerising, you all are voting someone other than Willapted33. If necessary, would you vote for willapted if someone took their vote off him? If not, why do you find other people more suspicious? I'd switch to will if it meant having majority. I just think he's being lackadaisical about the game though - honestly thought he'd come in here by now and at least attempt to defend himself. Why would a mafia just sit back and not say anything? There was plenty of time to defend himself and shift the blame. I think gravey is the most suspicious, which is why I've kept my vote on him, but I don't know if he's actually suspicious or just being wishy-washy since his name is also being thrown around as a potential lynch. But honestly, lynching gravey and him being innocent vs lynching will and him being innocent - there's no question which one would be worse since will has contributed nothing. Gravey's posts haven't been extremely helpful but at least he's here and giving us something to work with. So I think gravey is more suspicious but I think will is probably the better lynch. I'm busy with classes today so won't be on to offer full thoughts until roughly 6PM ET (5 hours before EOD), but this gravey post jumped out at me while reading: I guess that a willapted or a cynthia lynch is the best choice, although leaning more towards cynthia than willapted. Leaving my vote as of now since still plenty of time left. Will see what ends up happening next few hours and then if I have no other choice then I guess that I will have to maybe change my vote to willapted even though I fear that he is legit Town.What do you mean by willtaped being the one of the two best choices if you think he's legit town as you say later in this post? Also the sentence that I bolded has like 4 different qualifiers in it, really strikes me as trying to take absolutely 0 responsibility for being late hopping on a wagon that you might already know will flip town. Solid FoS on gravey for this post. Its little things like this that are raising little red flags around gravey for me. At first he was playing similarly to last game, but now he's saying weird things like this. Like you (or someone else) said, gravey stuck to his guns on his suspicions of posters last game, and we haven't seen that (yet) this game.
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Post by Web on Dec 4, 2017 22:05:42 GMT -5
Ok yeah no huge revelations here one way or the other based on how this is going down but a few things: zaclord still hasn't followed up on his promise to hop back on later, Az trying to switch gears last minute is kind of weird, and (having said that lol) I'm wondering why thewebinator singled those two out as flying under the radar. I could say the same of a few players right now, actually—most of D1 has been focused on greentoo, gravey, and willapted. What's setting you off here, exactly? Mostly a product of my day focusing analyzing on the players you listed in the post and not really looking at the more experienced posters like zaclord and Az. The reason why I specifically emphasized Az is because his leans post (#160) struck me as pretty noncommittal and despite its length didn't say all that much imo. Looking back at his posts D1 there was some initial setup discussion to start the day but that one leans post basically comprises everything he's said about the other players. A few times he says he's going to look at things but hasn't really followed up on them. The only question he's asked to another player was to clarify something gravey said. It's a really safe D1 and I want to see more effort from him in future days because it seems like he's holding back.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Dec 4, 2017 22:09:51 GMT -5
Ok yeah no huge revelations here one way or the other based on how this is going down but a few things: zaclord still hasn't followed up on his promise to hop back on later, Az trying to switch gears last minute is kind of weird, and (having said that lol) I'm wondering why thewebinator singled those two out as flying under the radar. I could say the same of a few players right now, actually—most of D1 has been focused on greentoo, gravey, and willapted. What's setting you off here, exactly? I had friends over to make Christmas cookies and just finished cleaning up :kii:
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Dec 4, 2017 22:11:41 GMT -5
We have less than an hour yet. Willapted is at school I believe (And so am I, but I got a free period), so he probably won't answer the questions. However, we obviously need a lynch, and he's the only one with enough votes. I really wish we could go for a different person, especially with the points brought up by Zac (Why would he not get told to talk more by mafia friends? Even in the least experienced mafia trio, Will, greentoo and Leo/Sam, they would understand the main reason he's getting suspicion is because of his inactiveness), however having a no lynch, even if he were town, would be counter-productive. Also, how close is Cynthia to a strike for inactiveness castleoblivion26 ?
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Post by Web on Dec 4, 2017 22:13:39 GMT -5
Edit - she has yet to make a long post but I can see her coming to do so soon.Oh Yes Boo Honty ... She Wint In Ah Yes Oh Yea She Spilled The Tea Gurl She Read It Oh BooHunty She Spilled All The Hot Shade And All The Tea... She Read The Tea For Shady Filth...No Lies Detected...... Darlinq just caught this, what did you mean by the bolded part @walker9?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 22:17:02 GMT -5
Oh Yes Boo Honty ... She Wint In Ah Yes Oh Yea She Spilled The Tea Gurl She Read It Oh BooHunty She Spilled All The Hot Shade And All The Tea... She Read The Tea For Shady Filth...No Lies Detected...... Darlinq just caught this, what did you mean by the bolded part @walker9? I was wrong. I thought that she would come and make a long post near end of day, but she hasn't.
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Dec 4, 2017 23:09:14 GMT -5
Deadline has passed, please don't post anymore and I will have the End of Day Post up shortly!
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Dec 4, 2017 23:19:13 GMT -5
DAY ONE All Aboard the Polar Express!
It is now time for Day One to end. As the night sets in the riders on the Polar Express have chosen someone to throw from the train!
willapted33 you have been found guilty by the group! As Della Perez your time on the Polar Express has come to an end!
After Della was thrown from the train it was apparant that Della was just a townsperson with no role!
also @antigonerising has received 1 strike for only posting in 1 out of 4 days. 3 inactive strikes and you are out. If you are unable to participate for a few days please just let me know and you won't get a strike but as I haven't heard anything yet this is official.
It is now Night One! Those with night roles you have until 11 pm EST tomorrow to get me your choices for your roles. Please no posting in here until I begin Day Two!
VOTES (if I miss anything please let me know):gravey [2] - zaclord 🌈 , @touch greentoo [1] - willapted33 willapted33 [6] - Web , Leo ✔ , Az Paynter , greentoo , Sambalada , Mylo13 💜 cynthia rose [1] - @walker9 NO VOTE: @antigonerising INACTIVE STRIKES: @antigonerising : 1 ROLES:The ConductorSanta ClausGood ElfKrampusEvil Elves x25x TownspeopleIDENTITY'S:Adam Bowman Bonnie Walsh Chad Watson Chester Garner Della Perez Eloise Nguyen Lance McCormick Laura Campbell Lena Newton Pete Brown Ruben KleinFINAL ROLES: 11: willapted33 : Della Perez ~ Townsperson
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Dec 5, 2017 23:21:09 GMT -5
DAY TWO All Aboard the Polar Express!
As everyone gathers in the dining car in the morning they are all happy to see that they are all still there
with a little twist!
@walker9 's mouth does not work at all so he is unable to speak or address anyone. He can only indicate who his vote is for and like post.
It is now day two and it is time to get discussing things.
DEADLINE: Friday, December 8th at 11pm EST
VOTES (if I miss anything please let me know):NO VOTE: @antigonerising , zaclord 🌈 , @touch , Web , Leo ✔ , Az Paynter , greentoo , Sambalada , Mylo13 💜 , @walker9 INACTIVE STRIKES: @antigonerising : 1 ROLES:The ConductorSanta ClausGood ElfKrampusEvil Elves x24x TownspeopleIDENTITY'S:Adam Bowman Bonnie Walsh Chad Watson Chester Garner Eloise Nguyen Lance McCormick Laura Campbell Lena Newton Pete Brown Ruben KleinFINAL ROLES: 11: willapted33 : Della Perez ~ Townsperson
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Post by Sambalada on Dec 5, 2017 23:23:09 GMT -5
Okay what the fuck!? There's an option for the mafias not to kill someone?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 23:59:15 GMT -5
1. I am really sorry for going AWOL almost all of Day 1, I got IRL busy and actually kinda forgot I was playing oops. FWIW Scumthia would never do such a thing so don't come for me 2. Since I did go AWOL I now need time to go back and read the entire thread so please be patient with me as I play catch up and read the entire thread. Will probably take a few hours but I'm pretty much up for the night 3. Sambalada I'm assuming Santa protected the right person last night.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 0:00:08 GMT -5
repetitive #2 is repetitive
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Post by Web on Dec 6, 2017 0:09:00 GMT -5
Okay what the f**k!? There's an option for the mafias not to kill someone? probably means there was a doc save, which is really good considering our math looks bad if the blocker sided with the mafia. It's still not great but it's better now, and having one extra voice in the discussion certainly won't hurt. also not sure how to interpret a gravey block yet but it unfortunately takes away him being able to respond to questions for D2. Just got home after a really crazy day so I'll dig through everything tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 0:16:16 GMT -5
Okay what the f**k!? There's an option for the mafias not to kill someone? In past games they could, but I think it's more likely that one of two things happened: 1) the doctor protected whoever was targeted by the mafia 2) gravey is the mafia member who submitted the kill, but had his action blocked. If 1, then I'm cackling. If 2, the roleblocker is basically confirmed town but we'd need to know gravey's alignment first to actually verify this and that's kind of a reach to assume in any capacity, although possible. Either way, N1 is... weird. I'm honestly most interested in gravey being silenced here. Wasn't he our number 2 suspicion for day 2 anyway? lmfaooo -- I'm aware the above is going to be a hot topic for the start of day, but I want to add that we should probably revisit willapted's wagon again. "thewebinator , Leo ◕‿◕) , Az Paynter , greentoo , Sambalada , Myloninja13" Based purely on surface level memory: Az tries to change the vote away from him last minute. I'm preemptively clearing Az here because I don't think scum would even bother suggesting that so close to deadline and would instead just let the dude die in peace. Want to revisit web—something still seems off about calling foul on the wagon when he did but staying on it, even right up until lynch. greentoo is sus because he just kind of is. I was liking Sam going into D2, so this alone isn't doing it for me. Mylo isn't coming into D2 that strong imo, but the laying down the final vote itself is in line with my expectations of a player regardless of alignment in a no-hammer policy game (we need a lynch, you just kind of *do* that regardless)... vote: greento for the sake of a vote. FoS web, want to really dig into mylo too. I guess I'm still suspicious of gravey but I don't... really know how to go about that currently?
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Post by Web on Dec 6, 2017 0:45:02 GMT -5
Okay what the f**k!? There's an option for the mafias not to kill someone? Based purely on surface level memory: Az tries to change the vote away from him last minute. I'm preemptively clearing Az here because I don't think scum would even bother suggesting that so close to deadline and would instead just let the dude die in peace. Want to revisit web—something still seems off about calling foul on the wagon when he did but staying on it, even right up until lynch. greentoo is sus because he just kind of is. I was liking Sam going into D2, so this alone isn't doing it for me. Mylo isn't coming into D2 that strong imo, but the laying down the final vote itself is in line with my expectations of a player regardless of alignment in a no-hammer policy game (we need a lynch, you just kind of *do* that regardless)... I'm confused where you're drawing the line between me and Az that leads to such a dramatic difference of a pre-emptive clear vs. a FoS? Both of us were suspicious of gravey and will, both of us expressed levels of being unsure about our votes but ended up staying on the will wagon until EoD. Just seems odd to come to such different conclusions based on cases that look pretty similar to me, could you elaborate on your thoughts a bit?
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Post by Web on Dec 6, 2017 1:03:59 GMT -5
Is it worth trying to speculate which side the blocker flipped to at this point, or at the very least discussing the implications of each scenario?
Iirc castleoblivion said they had to choose by the end of the first night phase so I'm assuming the choice has been made. I was thinking that it was more likely the blocker would flip mafia since the math is better, but that's probably not an assumption to completely run with.
Not sure about the exact timeline for when a mafia blocker would have made their choice/actually been in contact with the rest of the mafia to strategize, but a mafia blocker blocking a fellow mafia to stifle discussion about the blocked player is a pretty good strategy imo. So idk if the block gives us much to work with re: gravey's affiliation. A mafia blocker could block a town and maf gravey with largely the same reaction the next day and keep him suspicious but with not much for the to work with outside of other players' reactions/posts about him. If the blocker flipped to the town then blocking gravey makes sense (again regardless of affiliation) since he was the next biggest target, though using that ability as town is a little more complicated since it also strips him of the ability to defend himself/contribute.
Also one thing I found interesting about gravey is he never came through with one of his big leans posts at the end of the day like he did last game. Not sure if that's because he wasn't prodded as much as last game or because he was scum trying to hold back and stay under the radar without revealing too much but it's disappointing since it limits our knowledge of his thoughts.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 1:41:00 GMT -5
Based purely on surface level memory: Az tries to change the vote away from him last minute. I'm preemptively clearing Az here because I don't think scum would even bother suggesting that so close to deadline and would instead just let the dude die in peace. Want to revisit web—something still seems off about calling foul on the wagon when he did but staying on it, even right up until lynch. greentoo is sus because he just kind of is. I was liking Sam going into D2, so this alone isn't doing it for me. Mylo isn't coming into D2 that strong imo, but the laying down the final vote itself is in line with my expectations of a player regardless of alignment in a no-hammer policy game (we need a lynch, you just kind of *do* that regardless)... I'm confused where you're drawing the line between me and Az that leads to such a dramatic difference of a pre-emptive clear vs. a FoS? Both of us were suspicious of gravey and will, both of us expressed levels of being unsure about our votes but ended up staying on the will wagon until EoD. Just seems odd to come to such different conclusions based on cases that look pretty similar to me, could you elaborate on your thoughts a bit? Method and timing. Your suspicions of the wagon were raised at a time when the vote still had time to be discussed and switched, but iirc (and this is again based on memory; I’m writing this at 1:30 am currently because I can’t sleep lol) you never indulged any other options and later dropped in to talk about players who weren’t discussed when it was like an hour out from lynch. I mean, why not take the time to do that then? Az OTOH casually tried to derail what would end up being a mislynch, but explicitly proposes the idea that we could move targets because he wasn’t totally sold. Again, scum has no reason to do this. At this point though, he has no reason to take the vote off because town hadn’t come to a consensus on whether or not they should switch vote targets. You had an opportunity to, though. I’m not sure I’m explaining this well. If you want I can try again when I’m more lucid tomorrow, lmao.
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Post by greentoo on Dec 6, 2017 4:02:27 GMT -5
Okay what the f**k!? There's an option for the mafias not to kill someone? In past games they could, but I think it's more likely that one of two things happened: 1) the doctor protected whoever was targeted by the mafia 2) gravey is the mafia member who submitted the kill, but had his action blocked. If 1, then I'm cackling. If 2, the roleblocker is basically confirmed town but we'd need to know gravey's alignment first to actually verify this and that's kind of a reach to assume in any capacity, although possible. Either way, N1 is... weird. I'm honestly most interested in gravey being silenced here. Wasn't he our number 2 suspicion for day 2 anyway? lmfaooo -- I'm aware the above is going to be a hot topic for the start of day, but I want to add that we should probably revisit willapted's wagon again. "thewebinator , Leo ◕‿◕) , Az Paynter , greentoo , Sambalada , Myloninja13" Based purely on surface level memory: Az tries to change the vote away from him last minute. I'm preemptively clearing Az here because I don't think scum would even bother suggesting that so close to deadline and would instead just let the dude die in peace. Want to revisit web—something still seems off about calling foul on the wagon when he did but staying on it, even right up until lynch. greentoo is sus because he just kind of is. I was liking Sam going into D2, so this alone isn't doing it for me. Mylo isn't coming into D2 that strong imo, but the laying down the final vote itself is in line with my expectations of a player regardless of alignment in a no-hammer policy game (we need a lynch, you just kind of *do* that regardless)... vote: greento for the sake of a vote. FoS web, want to really dig into mylo too. I guess I'm still suspicious of gravey but I don't... really know how to go about that currently? What do you mean I’m suspicious just because I am? You haven’t put any reasoning behind it. You seem quite suspicious to me.
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 6, 2017 4:47:58 GMT -5
This is annoying. I was hoping Gravey would start to explain himself this Day phase and now he's blocked. That's awfully convenient. :sip2: I'm wondering if Krampus is trying to throw us for a loop by deliberately not killing anyone N1, so we have nothing to draw a connection from. It could well be that the Doc struck paydirt right away as well, but that was just my first thought upon reading there was no kill and it's probably not likely. I also have this wild theory that Gravey is Krampus and getting roleblocked is what prevented the kill - in this theory he couldn't order the kill because he got blocked. castleoblivion26 could Krampus being roleblocked negate the kill? Or is confirming/denying that a game-breaking piece of information?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 8:52:14 GMT -5
In past games they could, but I think it's more likely that one of two things happened: 1) the doctor protected whoever was targeted by the mafia 2) gravey is the mafia member who submitted the kill, but had his action blocked. If 1, then I'm cackling. If 2, the roleblocker is basically confirmed town but we'd need to know gravey's alignment first to actually verify this and that's kind of a reach to assume in any capacity, although possible. Either way, N1 is... weird. I'm honestly most interested in gravey being silenced here. Wasn't he our number 2 suspicion for day 2 anyway? lmfaooo -- I'm aware the above is going to be a hot topic for the start of day, but I want to add that we should probably revisit willapted's wagon again. "thewebinator , Leo ◕‿◕) , Az Paynter , greentoo , Sambalada , Myloninja13" Based purely on surface level memory: Az tries to change the vote away from him last minute. I'm preemptively clearing Az here because I don't think scum would even bother suggesting that so close to deadline and would instead just let the dude die in peace. Want to revisit web—something still seems off about calling foul on the wagon when he did but staying on it, even right up until lynch. greentoo is sus because he just kind of is. I was liking Sam going into D2, so this alone isn't doing it for me. Mylo isn't coming into D2 that strong imo, but the laying down the final vote itself is in line with my expectations of a player regardless of alignment in a no-hammer policy game (we need a lynch, you just kind of *do* that regardless)... vote: greento for the sake of a vote. FoS web, want to really dig into mylo too. I guess I'm still suspicious of gravey but I don't... really know how to go about that currently? What do you mean I’m suspicious just because I am? You haven’t put any reasoning behind it. You seem quite suspicious to me. If you like I can summarize my thoughts on you later but I thought I’d made it pretty clear that you were on my radar by end of day yesterday and gave my reasons why. Didn’t want to just repeat myself and make the post more long-winded than it already was. Pretty bold of you to challenge me on this then do the exact same thing yourself, though?
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Post by Web on Dec 6, 2017 9:47:36 GMT -5
castleoblivion26 who carries out the kill, Krampus or one of the elves? Iirc last game the mafia picked who to carry out the kill. If maf has a choice on who to carry out the kill this game I can't see why they would pick gravey to do it since he was the most suspicious player outside of the lynch yesterday and so had a higher likelihood of being blocked than players without the spotlight on them. If Krampus is the one who carries out the kill then there obviously is the possibility that gravey is Krampus and was blocked.
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 6, 2017 9:59:36 GMT -5
Well the way I was looking at it was; Krampus' power is to give the order, and if he's blocked, then no order is given because he was prevented, thus no kill.
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