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Edit - she has yet to make a long post but I can see her coming to do so soon.Oh Yes Boo Honty ... She Wint In Ah Yes Oh Yea She Spilled The Tea Gurl She Read It Oh BooHunty She Spilled All The Hot Shade And All The Tea... She Read The Tea For Shady Filth...No Lies Detected...... Darlinq Y'all are gonna learn to appreciate how long these word walls take to construct. Put some respeck on my name! *word wall incoming*
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 12:41:34 GMT -5
For now I'm going to go Occam's Razor and assume that gravey is a townie who was targeted by a roleblocker that chose to go scum…but I'm just going to toss this thought out there so we're aware of the potential blind spot: there was at least one game where scum actually targeted itself - I forget exactly how it went down but I recall the game I hosted where Az and Liucci were teammates, and one of them silenced the other to create distance and make that person appear townish. And it worked too - they only lost because there was another scum team in the game, town was pretty much dead in the water. That's advanced-level scumming, but I'm not going to underestimate anyone's level of craftiness here.
With that being said, gravey is understandably hard for others to grapple with b/c he doesn't do the whole 'let me play like a town player should play' thing. Gravey didn't give no kind of fucks whether or not you think his dodginess makes him scum, and for that I am inclined to think he is town. I mean…that's pretty much gravey in a nutshell lol. Also, my memory of the last game is already almost entirely gone, but am I correct in recalling that Gravey was more often than not spot-on with his town reads? If so, he would make a lot of sense as a target for a roleblocker who recalls this and decided to become scum. Whether right or wrong on that thought, he doesn't make a lot sense as a choice for a roleblocker who decided to join Krampus 'nem. If night actions are mandatory then roleblocker has to pick *somebody* but a town roleblocker would have been better off selecting an inactive player (like me admittedly, or Sambalada), someone who hadn't contributed enough to the game to feel like their silence would impede town's progress. Gravey was just suspicious enough going into Day 2 that town would have benefited more from giving him a chance to speak.
I do have one theory about why a town player choose Gravey, but I'm going to sit on it for now.
Az - hasn't said a super lot, but what he has said has been concise and clear and it doesn't feel like he's 'hiding out' if that makes any sense. Bias alert: having played with him before, scum Az tends to be a bit avoidant (is that even a word?) and speaks without speaking (i.e. analyzing but not really taking any hard stances). He wasn't afraid to change target from will to someone else even near the end of the day which stuck out to me in contrast to thewebinator (see below). It's possible he's adjusted his style. But for now I lean strongly town on him.
Kunt is giving great advice…so much so that I wonder if he is intentionally 'coaching' a newbie teammate in the thread. Great way to create distance, while looking helpful to town at the same time. Kunt's an expert at being a great town player without actually being town. But for now I'll pencil him in as town; his posts have been helpful and he hasn't been shy about saying 'this is my suspicion order and here is my vote'. Nothing feels avoidant. Nothing to do with anything but I like how he, Az, and I have such ~trust issues~ that when Az or I do say we think Kunt is town he immediately starts WIFOM'ing and puts an FOS on us lol
Zaclord - like Az, he hasn't had a high volume of posts, but what he has said has felt concrete. He jumped in early with player analysis and it didn't feel like he was gunning for anyone or trying to avoid anyone. Leaning town for now.
Sam - pretty thorough analysis post on page 6 so like Mylo I give him a slight town read for now, but I am keeping in mind that he was kind of doing the 'show up just enough to keep a target off my back' thing before that post.
Mylo: Townish. When he was able to really sit down and analyze he broke his thoughts down, quote by quote. I don't think he fully analyzed everyone though, just the ones who stuck out most to him. So he's in the same 'slight' boat as Sam. I acknowledge that he could have simply been addressing the names that were coming up the most at the time though, and timezone differences impede him from being as active as he'd probably like.
Leo's posts on page 3 were suspect for the reasons Kunt pointed out at that time - he says something about trying to see if he could bait any scum by starting a gravey wagon, which isn't a rookie move; but then he takes it back and says he doesn't know what he's doing. I am admittedly OMGUS'ing a little bit here b/c my name was mentioned, but on page 5 Leo speculates that he gets scum vibes from will and sam, thinks they might be coached by an inactive but more experienced player (either myself or mylo). He then votes for Will (the most active of the four players mentioned). It's not that this was a bad theory, but it's not a newbie theory IMO. It almost feels as if he's projecting, like *he's* the one who is being told what to say by a veteran teammate. So I find myself going back to what Kunt said about Leo doing or saying things that a beginner would do or say. Also doesn't help that Will flipped town and I know that I'm town, so the imagined relationship between us and Sam is entirely wrong. (Note: this doesn't necessarily mean Sam and mylo are town)
Webinator getting onto greentoo about being hesitant (page 3) feels…weird to me. I can't put my finger on it, but there was something about it that felt almost too eager to get on someone's case. Maybe I'm reading it wrong and he was just trying to get a newbie to move into non-newbie territory. Or maybe not. On page 4 he says the greentoo wagon is really easy to hop on so not to do it yet (there was no wagon; only Will was voting for greentoo at that point). Page 5: webinator agrees with Leo that the greentoo wagon is only being championed by scum newbies looking for an easy lynch. Ok here is my thing though, who was really pushing this greentoo thing? This sounds like a really easy excuse to justify a Will vote. But if you backtrace, Web was the one to first suggest a Leo/greentoo duo (page 3, I think). Zac picked up on it a bit, but didn't pursue it. Mylo was trying to push greentoo to be more proactive. Then Will rolled in and threw a vote down all willy-nilly…probably because he saw that greentoo's name was the one being mentioned the most and figured that was as good a place to start as any.
Then Web got 'paranoid' about Will having a wagon formed already, yet didn't move his vote from it or do much of anything to try to steer things in a different direction. It's day 1 so any decision is a shot in the dark anyway. You are either comfortable with the shot you're taking or you're not and you try to steer toward someone else. Web's clearly a 'steering' kind of player so this subtle wringing of hands, without actually acting on it, sticks out.
Greentoo gives me very conflicting feelings - one post he feels town n00b, next he is scummy. Right now I'm leaning scum for the following reasons: Was a bit OMGUS/reactive with his votes (eg, voting for gravey, then removing it after gravey defended him as a new player). Granted this could be an easy new-player mistake anyway - they don't know yet to vote logically, not emotionally - still, pressure on him wasn't heavy enough to warrant the reaction IMO. He listed his thoughts on who felt town/null/scum, then put down a vote on Will with little explanation. There was the 5-minutes-apart vote for gravey, which was just close enough to feel coincidental but just far apart enough to mentally revisit it after reflecting on my other suspicions. And then there is the connection between him and Web - there's a lot of 'let me put him under suspicion, no, let me defend him, let me chastise him, no let me excuse him for being new' back-and-forth going on there that does not sit well with me. But I cannot decide if that means Web and greentoo or working together, or if Web is using greentoo's inexperience to 'create' a connection in the event that we catch on to him, in order to spare his partners and lead us to a greentoo mislynch.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 12:42:29 GMT -5
Vote: Leo
My theory right now is a Leo-Webinator-greentoo Krampus/Elves team, but much of this theory hinges on my suspicions of Leo and then Web, so I will start my vote with one of them.
Questions for Leo: 1. what are your thoughts on thewebinator and greentoo now that Day 1 is over? Do you lean town or null on them? 2. If you lean town on them, why? If scum, why? Be as specific as possible.
I pose these questions to Web and greentoo as well. What do you think about each other and Leo right now, and what are your reasons for those thoughts?
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Post by greentoo on Dec 6, 2017 12:58:55 GMT -5
Vote: LeoMy theory right now is a Leo-Webinator-greentoo Krampus/Elves team, but much of this theory hinges on my suspicions of Leo and then Web, so I will start my vote with one of them. Questions for Leo: 1. what are your thoughts on thewebinator and greentoo now that Day 1 is over? Do you lean town or null on them? 2. If you lean town on them, why? If scum, why? Be as specific as possible. I pose these questions to Web and greentoo as well. What do you think about each other and Leo right now, and what are your reasons for those thoughts? 1. I lean more towards town on thewebinator but scum on Leo. 2. thewebinator seems to be posting very frequently with no bias towards anyone really. I agree with your post cynthia, about Leo. I’m just gonna say one thing, you might want to watch out for someone that no one is suspecting atm.
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Post by Web on Dec 6, 2017 13:41:50 GMT -5
Vote: LeoMy theory right now is a Leo-Webinator-greentoo Krampus/Elves team, but much of this theory hinges on my suspicions of Leo and then Web, so I will start my vote with one of them. Questions for Leo: 1. what are your thoughts on thewebinator and greentoo now that Day 1 is over? Do you lean town or null on them? 2. If you lean town on them, why? If scum, why? Be as specific as possible. I pose these questions to Web and greentoo as well. What do you think about each other and Leo right now, and what are your reasons for those thoughts? Thanks for coming through with some thoughts! I haven't had the time to really read through your long post yet and I have a Calc final later this evening taking up most of my focus, but I get why you and Kunt are skeptical of my indecisiveness on the wagons yesterday. I'll walk you through my thought process tonight when I get a little more time to hopefully clear it up. As for Leo and greentoo, both lean town right now imo, greentoo moreso than Leo due to a point that I'm not going to bring up at this point (which just he strengthened in his most recent post above). I don't think it is in the town's best interest for it to be out yet. I'll be back with much more detail on this tonight at ~7pm ET but wanted to at least answer your questions before checking out to study mode for a few hours.
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Post by Leo ✔ on Dec 6, 2017 14:40:20 GMT -5
Ill try to answer cinthya"s question later bcs Im in my job rn and answering on mobile is pain
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Post by Sambalada on Dec 6, 2017 15:44:40 GMT -5
~ in the middle of overnight study so can't post much for now but Cynthia has some good points there, thewebinator seems to be trying to gets the votes off greentoo.
And I always thought Leo's theory about me and will being instructed by a more experienced players to pull a greentoo wagon is reaching. Maybe it's just me but that just came out of nowhere, and while the reasoning is kinda logical, it doesn't make sense that the experienced one lets their kids to pull that alone while they're voting for someone else/not voting at all.
As of now, I imagine a mafia group of web, Leo, and greentoo based on points above.
As for gravey's block, it could be the roleblocker: a) A mafia who wants to leave us in questions of gravey's stance and leads us to vote him off b) A town who thinks gravey has contributed the least to the discussion and decided gravey is the "safest" choice to block
I have to be back on studying but I'll post a more detailed post in about 6-7 hours.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 16:07:20 GMT -5
Okay what the f**k!? There's an option for the mafias not to kill someone? In past games they could, but I think it's more likely that one of two things happened: 1) the doctor protected whoever was targeted by the mafia 2) gravey is the mafia member who submitted the kill, but had his action blocked. If 1, then I'm cackling. If 2, the roleblocker is basically confirmed town but we'd need to know gravey's alignment first to actually verify this and that's kind of a reach to assume in any capacity, although possible. Either way, N1 is... weird. I'm honestly most interested in gravey being silenced here. Wasn't he our number 2 suspicion for day 2 anyway? lmfaooo -- I'm aware the above is going to be a hot topic for the start of day, but I want to add that we should probably revisit willapted's wagon again. "thewebinator , Leo ◕‿◕) , Az Paynter , greentoo , Sambalada , Myloninja13" Based purely on surface level memory: Az tries to change the vote away from him last minute. I'm preemptively clearing Az here because I don't think scum would even bother suggesting that so close to deadline and would instead just let the dude die in peace. Want to revisit web—something still seems off about calling foul on the wagon when he did but staying on it, even right up until lynch. greentoo is sus because he just kind of is. I was liking Sam going into D2, so this alone isn't doing it for me. Mylo isn't coming into D2 that strong imo, but the laying down the final vote itself is in line with my expectations of a player regardless of alignment in a no-hammer policy game (we need a lynch, you just kind of *do* that regardless)... vote: greento for the sake of a vote. FoS web, want to really dig into mylo too. I guess I'm still suspicious of gravey but I don't... really know how to go about that currently? I'm re-reading this now and I see that my long post echoes a lot of what you say here. With that said I also see that you skipped over Leo. Thoughts on him? And also, I know you're just putting a vote down to have one out there but is there a reason you chose to put it on greentoo more so than say, thewebinator? Mulling on Az' post at the moment re: how Krampus/evil elves actions are carried out. Trying to figure out how Santa or the roleblocker might factor into this.
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Post by Web on Dec 6, 2017 17:50:48 GMT -5
good news, pretty sure I crushed that final. Quick glance back over the thread I think it's interesting that three different players have thrown suspicion my way none of them voted for me, and in the case of Sam didn't throw down a vote at all while echoing the leans/same scum team that other players had brought up earlier in the day.
If he wasn't silenced I'd be pushing gravey now with a vote but since I don't really see a scenario where that will get us anywhere: Vote: Sam
could you specify any reasons why you think there's a greentoo-Web-Leo maf team that weren't in earlier posts? Why didn't you vote for any of the three players you listed as the potential scum team?
longer post coming shortly as promised.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 18:05:57 GMT -5
In past games they could, but I think it's more likely that one of two things happened: 1) the doctor protected whoever was targeted by the mafia 2) gravey is the mafia member who submitted the kill, but had his action blocked. If 1, then I'm cackling. If 2, the roleblocker is basically confirmed town but we'd need to know gravey's alignment first to actually verify this and that's kind of a reach to assume in any capacity, although possible. Either way, N1 is... weird. I'm honestly most interested in gravey being silenced here. Wasn't he our number 2 suspicion for day 2 anyway? lmfaooo -- I'm aware the above is going to be a hot topic for the start of day, but I want to add that we should probably revisit willapted's wagon again. "thewebinator , Leo ◕‿◕) , Az Paynter , greentoo , Sambalada , Myloninja13" Based purely on surface level memory: Az tries to change the vote away from him last minute. I'm preemptively clearing Az here because I don't think scum would even bother suggesting that so close to deadline and would instead just let the dude die in peace. Want to revisit web—something still seems off about calling foul on the wagon when he did but staying on it, even right up until lynch. greentoo is sus because he just kind of is. I was liking Sam going into D2, so this alone isn't doing it for me. Mylo isn't coming into D2 that strong imo, but the laying down the final vote itself is in line with my expectations of a player regardless of alignment in a no-hammer policy game (we need a lynch, you just kind of *do* that regardless)... vote: greento for the sake of a vote. FoS web, want to really dig into mylo too. I guess I'm still suspicious of gravey but I don't... really know how to go about that currently? I'm re-reading this now and I see that my long post echoes a lot of what you say here. With that said I also see that you skipped over Leo. Thoughts on him? And also, I know you're just putting a vote down to have one out there but is there a reason you chose to put it on greentoo more so than say, thewebinator? Mulling on Az' post at the moment re: how Krampus/evil elves actions are carried out. Trying to figure out how Santa or the roleblocker might factor into this. I've voting greento as a jumping off point from D1. I'll just go back and compile what I was thinking here: -the weird "don't lynch be I'm useful" when he had like two votes on him -going off the wall and saying "don't think what I said is suspicious" when nothing he said was suspicious in the first place -sort of parroting the mylo discussion without understanding why people were starting to look at mylo, which makes me think he just wants to appear in it without actually being so There was some other stuff but that's honestly just from one page, lmfao. He just screams overcompensating newbie scum to me atm, and will flipping town kind of makes me look at these things further. At one point I was willing to pass it off as him just being messy but this was when I was operating under the assumption that will was likely scum. I'm a bit more confident with this one than voting for web, who I really just have the weird "wagon" statement on atm. Going to be honest with y'all I'm not going to be able to do shit today. Tomorrow, yes, but I have a lot on my plate rn. While I'm out, I would still like an answer to why @greento finds me suspicious, because currently he's doing the exact same thing he FoSed me for in the first place at the start of day. Also want to hear more from zaclord 🌈. He hasn't even bothered to post yet today.
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Post by Web on Dec 6, 2017 18:28:02 GMT -5
I started off the day with a neutral to town lean on gravey when he defended himself from the random wagon early D1. Didn't seem like he was nervous about having a few votes on him and responded in a very townish way. However throughout the day my lean turned negative as he kept reversing some of his leans as soon as they were challenged by players like Kunt. This was completely different than last game where he was convinced normusic was town despite a bunch of players suspecting him as well as sat on "Backwoods Barbie/Codex are the last two scum" for almost two straight day phases despite the rest of the town not being all that convinced initially. However, the post unsettled me the most about his play was this one: I guess that a willapted or a cynthia lynch is the best choice, although leaning more towards cynthia than willapted. Leaving my vote as of now since still plenty of time left. Will see what ends up happening next few hours and then if I have no other choice then I guess that I will have to maybe change my vote to willapted even though I fear that he is legit Town.What do you mean by willtaped being the one of the two best choices if you think he's legit town as you say later in this post? Also the sentence that I bolded has like 4 different qualifiers in it, really strikes me as trying to take absolutely 0 responsibility for being late hopping on a wagon that you might already know will flip town. Solid FoS on gravey for this post. I guess I could have flipped to gravey here but I was waiting to see if will was going to come in and say anything before the end of the day. By the time I got home ~4 hours before EoD, the town had slowed down quite a bit in activity and there were no signs of life for the other wagons. I figured will was the probable lynch and we could focus on other players D2. The only players who posted in the last 5 hours of D1 were myself, Kunt, mylo, gravey and Zaclord, and two of them were already on the gravey wagon and didn't seem all that intent on getting others to move their votes to gravey. Maybe this passiveness from the town should have been a sign that maf were content with the lynch and the wagons should have moved elsewhere, but hindsight is 20/20. The reason I decided to sit on willapted until EOD because I was trying to avoid a Zedd situation like last game where one of the players was largely inactive for entire day phases and blocked up discussion purely on his inactivity. Willapted basically gave up on the game halfway through D1, which I'm not sure leans towards one affiliation or the other as much as a new player being overwhelmed by pressure and not knowing how to respond. As I stated in #207, (second paragraph) I figured gravey would continue to be active in future days, whereas willapted's status was completely up in the air. My thoughts line up with this post from zaclord, where gravey may have looked scummier by the end of the day but willapted was less helpful, and since I wasn't sold on gravey being maf or just being gravey I stuck with the useless over the contributing player. Obviously I failed to consider gravey as the target for the presumably now maf-aligned blocker, I thought it would likely be one of the discussion leaders like Kunt or myself, or maybe cynthia to keep her completely out of discussion for another day phase.
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Post by Web on Dec 6, 2017 18:37:23 GMT -5
dinner now and then a post about Leo/greentoo later tonight
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 6, 2017 18:39:30 GMT -5
I see we keep coming back to greentoo as suspicious -- or at the very least, a suspect. I do agree he's noteworthy for his play so far, but I do actually suspect this is an avenue we don't really want to go down as a lynch option. I see Webi has also picked up on this, especially after greentoo's statement that someone 'nobody suspects' is not to be trusted. There's a few people who that could refer to (Sam, Cynthia, Zaclord come to mind, probably Mylo also) but so far I don't think there's any reason not to put some stock in that? I think greentoo is too new to the game to lie convincingly, nor do I think he would be very persuasive at all among people he's unfamiliar with. I don't see what he has to gain by pretending to be Town when Pulse has generally be predisposed to cast a more critical eye on newcomers.
I've bumped Sam down from null to a slightly scummy read for still pursuing greentoo as a suspect. Did you not draw the same conclusions as I (and evidently Webi) have drawn from greentoo's posts?
I have no reason to shift my read of Leo from 'slightly scummy' yet but I'll review when he's able to make a proper post later.
Still leaning Town on Kunt and Mylo with a current Town lean on Webi. Also still on the fence with Cynthia, I've read her thesis but I need to go back over it again.
Vote: Zaclord Speak up, bro!
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Post by Web on Dec 6, 2017 19:00:50 GMT -5
I've bumped Sam down from null to a slightly scummy read for still pursuing greentoo as a suspect. Did you not draw the same conclusions as I (and evidently Webi) have drawn from greentoo's posts? according to reply #175 it was at least a consideration of his and yet he's still considering greentoo to be maf, which (since this is sort of edging towards open secret territory lol) is another reason why I'm currently voting Sam.
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Post by Web on Dec 6, 2017 21:19:37 GMT -5
My read on greentoo from the start of the game has been largely informed by what Snark Knight and I have brought up in recent posts, and I think viewing his posts through that lens irons out a lot of the question marks between noob town/scum, for example the quick reaction after a little bit of pressure. I didn't want to bring it up directly without evidence other players noticing since it's not great info to be public this early, but since at least two others have indicated it in game I assumed that mafia probably had figured it out too, especially if they have an experienced player so was safer to post about publicly. He's definitely had his share of not-so-great looking posts but there's virtually 0% chance I would consider him as a lynch target today, especially without elaborating on his vague posts. I'm curious to see what @touch thinks about these recent posts and if that changes his opinion re: a greentoo vote. Leo I'm less certain on, I'd say neutral to slight town lean, but I've liked the logic of a few of his posts ( #52, #110, #145) despite a few posters saying they seem coached. Alternatively couldn't they be plays he saw players make in the last maf game that he spectated that he's using to inform his playstyle this time around? He's nowhere near as town-leaning to me as greentoo and I'm looking forward to his response to cynthia's questioning later but he's not very high on my list of targets at this time.
Also semi-obvious point that is at least useful to emphasize, looking at the scenario where gravey was Krampus and blocked to stop the night kill, this would clearly indicate the blocker was town since it would be moronic to block your own night kill. For now I think it's probably safer to assume the blocker flipped to the maf, both because it's mathematically easier for them to win and because it's safer in terms of considering vote margins for mylo/lylo. So using that line of thinking I'd guess that a doc save was more likely than the night block on gravey as Krampus last night. Thoughts on this?
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Post by Web on Dec 6, 2017 21:25:39 GMT -5
actually wait on that last point I forgot about the scenario where gravey is maf but not Krampus, in which case it's a good strategy for a maf blocker to block him to keep discussion about him hampered for a day phase, so disregard the last line.
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Post by Leo ✔ on Dec 6, 2017 21:50:47 GMT -5
Ok, let me catch up this game. Clearly I was wrong thinking with Will being mafia, but he gave up super fast. I believe the roleblocker picks a side until day 2, so, if i'm not wrong, the roleblocker hasn't done anything yetcastleoblivion26 please confirm this because I think y'all are lost in this point. About gravey: the fact that he can't talk probably means two things, as everybody have pointed out: 1) Or he is mafia and the roleblocker allied with mafia, but this is not possible yet because he haven't picked a side yet. 2) The roleblocker tried to lynch him easily, as he can't defend himself... But again, if the first phrase in this post is true, this is useless now. Now I'm trying to answer cynthia's question about how I feel webi and greentoo, but also giving what I feel from the other players. Note that is hard to explain so I hope I doing this in the right way. Az: Town. I agree with Kunt (was Kunt who said about trying to derail the will's wagon). If he was mafia, probably he wouldn't care about will, because he being mafia knew that will is town and didn't care about his lynch. Webi: Slighty town. I like how he analyze things, but he's an experimented player and probably knows how to hide his scum vibes. Zac: Null. I haven't watched enough activity of him to decide. Mylo: Null. I haven't watched enough activity of him to decide. Cinthya: Null. Ok she wrote a big post today but the fact that she missed the entire Day 1 makes me hard to figure her role. Greentoo_ Slighty scum. His post are so confusing to me, sometimes I feel like he is town but other times I feel like he is scum. This is not influenced by the fact he thinks I'm scum, it's more because he didn't explain well (at least imo) why he thinks webi is town and I'm scum. Sam: Null/Slighty scum. Another one that is hard to get info. I need to see more activity from him. I probably would have said scum but my theory of will/sam scum team is now discarded. Gravey: Town. Based on my theory about the roleblocker, the fact that he got blocked and can't talk is confusing if the roleblocker haven't picked a side yet. Kunt: Town. His post are right in the point to me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 22:29:29 GMT -5
Vote: LeoMy theory right now is a Leo-Webinator-greentoo Krampus/Elves team, but much of this theory hinges on my suspicions of Leo and then Web, so I will start my vote with one of them. Questions for Leo: 1. what are your thoughts on thewebinator and greentoo now that Day 1 is over? Do you lean town or null on them? 2. If you lean town on them, why? If scum, why? Be as specific as possible. I pose these questions to Web and greentoo as well. What do you think about each other and Leo right now, and what are your reasons for those thoughts? 1. I lean more towards town on thewebinator but scum on Leo. 2. thewebinator seems to be posting very frequently with no bias towards anyone really. I agree with your post cynthia, about Leo. I’m just gonna say one thing, you might want to watch out for someone that no one is suspecting atm.Is this just a general thought or is there someone you are particularly suspicious of? If there is someone who is it? I'm also going to ask why, but it's okay if your answer is 'this person just gives me a really bad vibe and I can't put my finger on it.' The best way to help town is to just get whatever thoughts you have out there so we can all examine it and decide whether or not to pursue it. I'm re-reading this now and I see that my long post echoes a lot of what you say here. With that said I also see that you skipped over Leo. Thoughts on him? *stuff* You forgot to talk about Leo again. Open question for everyone: who is the player you are least suspicious of at the moment? For me I would say Gravey, then Az.
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Az Paynter
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 6, 2017 22:30:58 GMT -5
At the moment tbh my least suspicious is actually Kunt lol.
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Post by Web on Dec 6, 2017 22:39:07 GMT -5
if I'm driving headlong into the tunnel least suspicious is greentoo, otherwise probably Snark Knight, Kunt and milo in that order. cynthia has made some solid substantial posts so far but it's too early for me to lean one way or the other.
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Post by Leo ✔ on Dec 6, 2017 23:17:18 GMT -5
For me the least suspicious is Kunt
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Dec 7, 2017 0:01:32 GMT -5
haven't read everything but only got home from work recently will have a vote update shortly and will answer any questions that have been asked!
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Post by Web on Dec 7, 2017 0:03:19 GMT -5
idk what we're going to do with gravey D2, do we try and get him to communicate with us somehow to answer questions? (something like Vote x player = yes, Vote y player = no)
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Dec 7, 2017 0:22:35 GMT -5
DAY TWO All Aboard the Polar Express!
castleoblivion26 could Krampus being roleblocked negate the kill? Or is confirming/denying that a game-breaking piece of information? Yes. Krampus is the one who actually does the kill so if they are blocked then no kill will happen
I believe the roleblocker picks a side until day 2, so, if i'm not wrong, the roleblocker hasn't done anything yetcastleoblivion26 please confirm this because I think y'all are lost in this point. The roleblocker had a deadline of the end of Day 2 to decide which side they were on. They could make that decision at any time up until then. Also they had their powers N1 regardless of whether they chose or not.
DEADLINE: Friday, December 8th at 11pm EST
VOTES (if I miss anything please let me know):greentoo [1] ~ @touch Leo ◕‿◕) [1] ~ @antigonerising Sambalada [1] ~ Web zaclord [1] ~ Az Paynter NO VOTE: zaclord 🌈 Leo ✔ greentoo Sambalada Mylo13 💜 @walker9 INACTIVE STRIKES: @antigonerising : 1 ROLES:The ConductorSanta ClausGood ElfKrampusEvil Elves x24x TownspeopleIDENTITY'S:Adam Bowman Bonnie Walsh Chad Watson Chester Garner Eloise Nguyen Lance McCormick Laura Campbell Lena Newton Pete Brown Ruben KleinFINAL ROLES: 11: willapted33 : Della Perez ~ Townsperson
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Dec 7, 2017 6:15:42 GMT -5
Hello guys.
I apologise for my continued absence, but this time I was taking a break off ALL of Pulse, because of something that happened in real life. I'm not going to say what it was, but I will say that I'm fine and in fine physical health.
Despite this, I don't want to let you guys down, and so I'll try and do a big post on everything I want to talk about. I apologise if I seem more angry than usual, It's kind of affected my overall mood.
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Dec 7, 2017 6:58:46 GMT -5
Okay, long post time: Firstly, Will's lynch:
DAY ONE All Aboard the Polar Express!
willapted33 you have been found guilty by the group! As Della Perez your time on the Polar Express has come to an end!
After Della was thrown from the train it was apparant that Della was just a townsperson with no role!
also @antigonerising has received 1 strike for only posting in 1 out of 4 days. 3 inactive strikes and you are out. If you are unable to participate for a few days please just let me know and you won't get a strike but as I haven't heard anything yet this is official.
It is now Night One! Those with night roles you have until 11 pm EST tomorrow to get me your choices for your roles. Please no posting in here until I begin Day Two!
VOTES (if I miss anything please let me know):gravey [2] - zaclord 🌈 , @touch greentoo [1] - willapted33 willapted33 [6] - Web , Leo ✔ , Az Paynter , greentoo , Sambalada , Mylo13 💜 cynthia rose [1] - @walker9 NO VOTE: @antigonerising INACTIVE STRIKES: @antigonerising : 1 Will was luckily only a regular townie, but this does put forward the question of the votes at the end of the day. Considering he only just had enough people for a lynch, it should be interesting to see what people's motivations were. Thewebinator was the first person to vote for Will, and it was a vote mainly for Will to talk. Nothing scummy about that, however IIRC, he never took his vote of Will, and his vote to Will was one of the main contributors causing Will's lynch. In this link, you can see gravey and Greentoo had more votes than Will. AND the deadline was going to be that night, however it was extended.Leo is the second person to vote for Will, and his reasoning was that Will and Sam voting for one town newbie (Greentoo) could be a new mafia tactics to get any easy lynch. He also mentions that the other hypothetical mafia member in that situation could be Me or Cynthia, because we were inactive. I do somewhat agree with the idea of newbie team looking for an easy lynch, and it did seem to be in good faith, however now it obviously doesn't look good. Az votes for Will third, and I like his reasoning the most. Click here for link.Greentoo voted for him fourth, and I don't really like his wording on this: Right now I’m just gonna say what lean each player is giving me, if you want to know any specific reasons behind any of them, just ask, but I don’t have time to write them all here atm. Towngravey Az Paynter thewebinator NeutralKunt Leo zaclord thewebinator ScumMyloninja13 Sambalada Cynthia Rose willapted unvote zaclord Vote: willaptedI understand not having time to write it all up, but not even saying the reason behind your vote is just not good. And I realise I forgot to call him out on this earlier, and I apologise for that. However, it was also partly my fault for not saying something back when it could've given us proper information. Okay, I have to go to bed now. I'm sorry I left this so blank, but I promise I will finish this. For now, I am still suspicious of both gravey and greentoo, but unfortunately a gravey vote wouldn't help at all, so
VOTE: GREENTOO.
Sorry if this made no sense, I'm still kind of angry and tired.
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Post by greentoo on Dec 7, 2017 8:18:10 GMT -5
Why would a vote against me help, Mylo? Why would it be useless to vote for gravey? This is very suspicious to me... (refer to my above post, I don’t care if this makes people suspicious of me it’s their loss)
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Post by Sambalada on Dec 7, 2017 8:38:50 GMT -5
Sorry that I promised you a long post for ~10 hours ago, but now it's been 17 hours since that post. First of all, I feel sorry for whatever happened in your real life, mylo. Hope everything's going well :) Vote: Sam
could you specify any reasons why you think there's a greentoo-Web-Leo maf team that weren't in earlier posts? Why didn't you vote for any of the three players you listed as the potential scum team? longer post coming shortly as promised. Those were literally the only reason I kinda have suspicion on you guys, lol. And I don't think they are a valid enough reason to put a vote on any of you, yet. I've voting greento as a jumping off point from D1. I'll just go back and compile what I was thinking here: -the weird "don't lynch be I'm useful" when he had like two votes on him -going off the wall and saying "don't think what I said is suspicious" when nothing he said was suspicious in the first place -sort of parroting the mylo discussion without understanding why people were starting to look at mylo, which makes me think he just wants to appear in it without actually being so There was some other stuff but that's honestly just from one page, lmfao. He just screams overcompensating newbie scum to me atm, and will flipping town kind of makes me look at these things further. At one point I was willing to pass it off as him just being messy but this was when I was operating under the assumption that will was likely scum. I'm a bit more confident with this one than voting for web, who I really just have the weird "wagon" statement on atm. Going to be honest with y'all I'm not going to be able to do s**t today. Tomorrow, yes, but I have a lot on my plate rn. These are exactly my thoughts on greentoo's activity thus far. He seems to be defending himself too much when in reality he doesn't have to. Again, I'm not sure if that is a newbie town move or newbie scum move. It could be interpreted both ways, so once again, I'm conflicted. I've bumped Sam down from null to a slightly scummy read for still pursuing greentoo as a suspect. Did you not draw the same conclusions as I (and evidently Webi) have drawn from greentoo's posts? I’m… still not sure about my own decisions on this, tbh. The post in question is more or less problematic. Greentoo said we should be careful with someone “nobody suspects”, but this leaves a big question mark. What did he mean by nobody's suspect? Does the person in question act too normally, or do they read as town by almost everyone? Are they out of anyone’s suspicion because they barely said anything? Or maybe they are off the suspect list because they made a suspect list than leads everyone to agree on? More question, how did greentoo know about this particular person, is he the reader? That can explain his earlier post about him “can be useful for town”, and most importantly who is he referring to in that post? And the reasons why we should not trust them? That post can be interpreted in so many ways. The web-Leo-greentoo mafia group speculation earlier is only that, speculation. And a weak one that is. The picture are still black-and-white for now, so I can’t put a legitimate vote yet, but for sakes of having votes. Imma vote for zaclord 🌈. Girl, really where have you been?
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Post by Sambalada on Dec 7, 2017 8:41:11 GMT -5
Also I mean reader = good elf lol
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Post by Web on Dec 7, 2017 10:24:03 GMT -5
Feeling better about Snark Knight because he's actively considering the greentoo thing, not sure why so many players are overlooking it (either willfully or unintentionally), are they afraid to potentially clear one of the players (with damaging information to maf) this early? greentoo please answer cynthia's questions at your earliest convenience, if this situation bears out like I think it will then we need to start looking at other lynch targets and you have two votes rn. Four players still aren't voting ( zaclord 🌈 , @walker9 , Leo ✔ , greentoo ) which needs to change. gravey I kind of get but he could least vote who he thinks is the most suspicious at this time?
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