2019 Grammy Awards

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Feb 19, 2017 21:36:00 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

Because it's never too early to start complaining about who isn't gonna win

The 61st Grammy awards, honoring new music releases from Oct. 1, 2017 to Sept. 30, 2018, are set to air February 10, 2019 from 8-11:30 pm EST. The show signed a contract with AEG to host the show at the Staples Center in LA from 2019 to 2022.

Amid a flurry of backlash over sexist statements and accusations of workplace harassment and pilfering money from MusiCares to fund the televised program, Neil Portnow announced on May 31, 2018 that he will be stepping down from his role as CEO of the Recording Academy after the next ceremony. Lots and lots of industry tea in that link that is well worth the read!

On September 5, 2018, Dolly Parton was announced as the 2019 recipient of the 2019 MusiCares Person of the Year.

Submissions have leaked on Gold Derby! If you want to see all of the confirmed submissions by category, head there. For a quicker overview of what's up for contention, Troublemaker shared artist-specific submissions on pages 19-21 of this thread. First round voting will take place Oct 17-31, 2018; nominations will be announced December 5, 2018; and final voting will occur December 13, 2018 - January 9, 2019.

Tag me if you think there is any more info I need to add and I'll edit it in when I'm able!

[Enigma.]

The organizers basically confirmed Taylor Swift will be nominated and perform so...

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Jan 29, 2018 14:25:18 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

The organizers basically confirmed Taylor Swift will be nominated and perform so...

Link? (I don't doubt you, just don't know which article/interview you'rer referring to)

I'm going to try to keep the OP updated this year with announcements, notable eligible nominees, eventual nominations, all that stuff. Obviously very little to add now other than that the show will be in LA next year.

[Enigma.]

^This is so funny and sad at the same time. variety.com/2018/music/news/grammys-so-male-women-recording-academy-president-neil-portnow-1202679902/

[Choco]

Early contenders:

"Finesse" (ft. Cardi B)
"Perfect Duet"
Camila (if she can mantain momentum I don't think Pop Vocal Album is a stretch. They nominated Confident, no?)
Dua Lipa for BNA.
reputation I guess? It's deflating quickly and it will probably not do as well as her previous efforts.
"No Limit"

Not eligible:
"Havana"
"Rockstar"
Dua Lipa and it's singles.
Camila Cabello for BNA. (Fifth Harmony makes her ineligible)

[Enigma.]

Is Dua Lipa eligible for BNA?

[jenglisbe]

Jan 29, 2018 14:25:18 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

The organizers basically confirmed Taylor Swift will be nominated and perform so...

I didn't read it that way at all. It came across to me like he was asked about Swift, and then he gave a diplomatic response. And honestly, for ratings purposes it makes complete sense for them to find a way for her to perform regardless of whether she's nominated or not. Considering "LWTMMD" didn't get nominated this year, and considering Speak Now didn't get in AOTY after Fearless won, I don't think they automatically nominate her in big categories. This album is going to need a real hit song if she's going to get any noms besides Pop Album and maybe Pop Duo/Group next show.

Meanwhile, the "Finesse" performance was great, but it was essentially just the video on stage. It was also short. I can see why it didn't help the single explode in sales.

[Normi]

How are the Dua Lipa singles not eligible? I think 'IDGAF' could be, right?

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I believe Dua is still eligible for BNA, much for the same reasons Alessia was eligible this year despite technically not being 'new' anymore. IDGAF should be eligible as well. I'll add her in shortly.

On one hand I feel like reputation might get the Divide treatment - pop noms, no majors - but OTOH the politics behind the AEG deal might indicate otherwise, with her being shoved in everywhere she can possibly fit.

Finesse can probably get an r&b nom, but it's going to either a) have to be an undeniably huge hit compared to whatever else comes out this year or b) rely on the year being rather weak in terms of individual hits to get ROTY or SOTY

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Jan 29, 2018 14:52:00 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

^This is so funny and sad at the same time. variety.com/2018/music/news/grammys-so-male-women-recording-academy-president-neil-portnow-1202679902/

Ah, I was so appalled at his other statement that I didn't realize he also mentioned TSwift there as well.

But I'm inclined to agree with jenglisbe, I don't think that should be taken as confirmation that she'll be nominated for a ton of awards. Rather, he wants/expects to see her there b/c she is still a commercial draw, even with reputation knocking her off her game a bit. The politics behind who gets an offer to perform (and what they get to perform) and who gets nominated for an award seem to be at least partially separate.

Jan 29, 2018 15:00:12 GMT -5 Choco said:

Early contenders:

"Finesse" (ft. Cardi B)
"Perfect Duet"
Camila (if she can mantain momentum I don't think Pop Vocal Album is a stretch. They nominated Confident, no?)
Dua Lipa for BNA.
reputation I guess? It's deflating quickly and it will probably not do as well as her previous efforts.
"No Limit"

Not eligible:
"Havana"
"Rockstar"
Dua Lipa and it's singles.
Camila Cabello for BNA. (Fifth Harmony makes her ineligible)

No Limit, like Havana, was released a few weeks too early to be eligible. Him & I is up for contention, though.

I said somewhere else that I thought this would be Cardi's year with it being a Kendrick off-season, but I forgot about the Black Panther soundtrack! So never mind, Kendrick is gonna rake up more wins again easily with that...hopefully he can at least net SZA one too.

[ampersand]

Kelly for everything, honestly. I don’t care about anyone else.

[Choco]

I did not realize that if the parent album doesn't get any nods, the singles can still get some next year (i.e. IDGAF for Dua).

They'll probably push the remix with French Montana, Juicy J and Belly for "No Limit" (the video version).

[jenglisbe]

Jan 30, 2018 14:33:56 GMT -5 Choco said:

I did not realize that if the parent album doesn't get any nods, the singles can still get some next year (i.e. IDGAF for Dua).

At one point singles could get nods the next year as long as the album didn't win (see Swift's "Mean" winning the year after its album was nominated).

[shayonce]

Taylor will struggle to get many nominations and won't even a thing.
her new sound is not traditional enough, and her main image became typical popstar ish.
not to mention underperformance of her singles..
the snub of lead single says it all.

artists always can go john legend way, release live or remix version and submit it.

[wavey.]

Tay might get the Ed snub due to the timing.

[14887fan]

Brandi Carlile might’ve just entered herself into the race with her new album. It’s absurdly great.

[Troublemaker]

Feb 8, 2018 16:22:04 GMT -5 14887fan said:

Brandi Carlile might’ve just entered herself into the race with her new album. It’s absurdly great.

You've heard it? I'm jealous...

[14887fan]

Feb 8, 2018 16:54:29 GMT -5 Troublemaker said:

Feb 8, 2018 16:22:04 GMT -5 14887fan said:

Brandi Carlile might’ve just entered herself into the race with her new album. It’s absurdly great.

You've heard it? I'm jealous...

It’s available for streaming now on NPR! Go, go, go!

www.npr.org/2018/02/08/582106372/first-listen-brandi-carlile-by-the-way-i-forgive-you

[born]

I'll only take Taylor losing Pop Vocal Album if it is from Kelly. I mean, 'rep' is nowhere near AOTY material but it's a decent album. It deserves a Pop win. Maybe "Delicate" for Pop Solo if it ends up being a hit?

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Brandi should have been recognized 2 albums ago. But never too late for a Grammy sweep.

[Zach]

Feb 9, 2018 5:08:21 GMT -5 born said:

I'll only take Taylor losing Pop Vocal Album if it is from Kelly. I mean, 'rep' is nowhere near AOTY material but it's a decent album. It deserves a Pop win. Maybe "Delicate" for Pop Solo if it ends up being a hit?

Well if Reputation "deserves" the win because it's "decent" then like half of pop albums released in any given year also "deserve" a win :sip2: .

Disclaimer: I like Reputation.

[Choco]

Reputation is easily the worst performing TS album yet, critical acclaim wasn't particularly remarkable and it's been going downhill commercially since the remarkable 1m debut. It's already out of the top 10.

Without any hits to sustain or increase momentum it's gonna be ancient news by the next Grammys.

I wouldn't say she's on the same boat as Ed because his album has kept momentum well over a year after the first single was released.

[jenglisbe]

Yeah this is a whole other scenario from Ed. Swift could still get in Pop Album off her name (and potentially a lack of competition) but that would be about it.

It will be interesting, though, because P!nk had a hit with her lead single, but her album then fell off. Kelly Clarkson's album was well-received, but it hasn't produced a hit to this point. Swift's album disappointed. So, none of them are likely to have any momentum or goodwill by summer, let alone by the time voting for nominations takes place. Justin's album hasn't been well-received either, but it is newer and has that working for it.

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Justin isn't even going to be nominated for pop album IMO; MOTW has been trashed too hard, Justin himself doesn't seem to have a lot of industry support at the moment, and RCA's weight behind the scenes doesn't seem to be as strong as labels like Atlantic or Columbia so they're not likely to be able to push past the negative baggage he's carrying. And the #metoo mood just makes him a bad look, period. He might be able to swing a pop collab nom for Say Something, assuming it turns into the hit I think it will.

On the note of #metoo, I would not at all be surprised if the pop album nominees are all women. With Ed and Bruno out of the way and MOTW being what it is, Taylor, P!nk, and Kelly might well have assured themselves of pop album nominations simply by showing up to the party on time. Sam Smith looks to be the only male artist who is an 'obvious' nominee/winner, but tbh right now he is kind of in the same boat of the buzz from his album release dying down early.

It's only February, but already the pop field feels weirdly thin to me because the more established names released early. The only 'familiar' names I can think of with planned releases this year are Ariana, Selena, and Meghan. I'm not sure if Ariana or Selena will make the 2019 cutoff (and Selena is hardly a strong bet for a Grammy nom in any case), and Meghan is in a precarious position coming off her sophomore slump. It's going to take an unexpected and/or new artist to make a huge splash and shake things up.

[Choco]

And Kelly is another one who's running out of steam way too early. The album got praise but it's been dead commercially for a while (where's single #2???)

[jenglisbe]

Depending how "Never Be the Same" does, Cabello could be a contender in Pop Solo and Pop Album since, as you said, it's thin at the moment. With her Fifth Harmony background and a #1 hit, a follow-up hit would solidify her. "NBTS" seems to be stalling, though.

Yeah, Sam Smith's album seems dead. If he has a second hit from it that would change, but as of now I just don't hear about him.

[jenglisbe]

Feb 9, 2018 14:08:43 GMT -5 Choco said:

And Kelly is another one who's running out of steam way too early. The album got praise but it's been dead commercially for a while (where's single #2???)

"I Don't Think About You" is the 2nd single and is going to HAC and AC radio. I don't know that a mainstream hit is in the cards for her anymore? Being on The Voice will help keep her name out there, and since she seems to be a Grammys fave in nominations, I'm predicting her to get in Pop Album unless some major releases happen before the deadline.

Maroon 5 is another contender in Pop Album.

[Deleted]

Kelly is interesting to ponder. She's pretty much a 'prestige' artist at this point, but the Grammys haven't been nominating prestige artists in the pop categories for a solid decade now aside from two James Taylor nominations. Nonetheless, Kelly seems poised to buck the trend. Not something I would have predicted a few years ago. With IDTAY being single #2 I think Atlantic is purposely courting this 'prestige' angle rather than trying to chase hits. But they're also trying to play it smart IMO by letting her face time on The Voice carry most of the song's run. I'm still convinced that is the reason they waited till just now (like, literally Kelly just made an Instagram post about it today lol) to announce what the second single even is.

Camila has pretty solid chances right now, but she's also highly dependent on a) having at least one other strong hit and b) not being commercially outdone by later releases from someone else.

Red Pill Blues feels even deader than MOL right now, tbh; but Maroon 5 seem to be almost impervious to ageism and flop taint when it comes to getting pop radio hits, so oddly enough they have an advantage over almost everyone mentioned there.

[Glove Slap]

Team Camila is already at work.

[jenglisbe]

Feb 9, 2018 15:43:26 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

Kelly is interesting to ponder. She's pretty much a 'prestige' artist at this point, but the Grammys haven't been nominating prestige artists in the pop categories for a solid decade now aside from two James Taylor nominations. Nonetheless, Kelly seems poised to buck the trend. Not something I would have predicted a few years ago. With IDTAY being single #2 I think Atlantic is purposely courting this 'prestige' angle rather than trying to chase hits. But they're also trying to play it smart IMO by letting her face time on The Voice carry most of the song's run. I'm still convinced that is the reason they waited till just now (like, literally Kelly just made an Instagram post about it today lol) to announce what the second single even is.

Camila has pretty solid chances right now, but she's also highly dependent on a) having at least one other strong hit and b) not being commercially outdone by later releases from someone else.

Red Pill Blues feels even deader than MOL right now, tbh; but Maroon 5 seem to be almost impervious to ageism and flop taint when it comes to getting pop radio hits, so oddly enough they have an advantage over almost everyone mentioned there.

"What Lovers Do" was nominated for a Grammy, and don't they have a new single out? I haven't paid attention to how it's doing, but considering Maroon 5 often gets nominated and even wins Grammys, I think we have to at least factor Red Pill Blues into the race. Hell, Coldplay got in this year for an EP.