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Post by His Holiness on Aug 10, 2018 23:25:42 GMT -5
Wow I honestly don't know who he is but this is absolutely huge!
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Post by iHype. on Aug 11, 2018 1:32:16 GMT -5
Seriously good numbers either way, with bundles & without bundles (still 325k~ ish).
But bundles are out of line now. His bundles aren't touring bundles, but are merch bundles.
People buying a jacket from your website counts as an album sale now. Clothing purchases are now converted to music sales.
Imagine a clothing designer releasing an album, bundling every sale of clothing in their stores with an album, and having the biggest album in America. I just really don't see how logically you could say that's representative of musical popularity with the public and not a give-away item with an entirely different purchase.
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Post by Naos on Aug 11, 2018 1:39:23 GMT -5
Seriously good numbers either way, with bundles & without bundles (still 325k~ ish). But bundles are out of line now. His bundles aren't touring bundles, but are merch bundles. People buying a jacket from your website counts as an album sale now. Clothing purchases are now converted to music sales. Imagine a clothing designer releasing an album, bundling every sale of clothing in their stores with an album, and having the biggest album in America. I just really don't see how logically you could say that's representative of musical popularity with the public and not a give-away item with an entirely different purchase. Agreed. At least tours show music popularity. This is just ridiculous. |
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Post by shayonce on Aug 11, 2018 1:52:06 GMT -5
bundle is getting too much. Billboard need to change their rule.
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Post by Enigma. on Aug 11, 2018 2:35:24 GMT -5
Why? It's just clever marketing to get your music to the people.
If 100k Bon Jovi fans are buying ticket to the concert why not push the album with it as they're gonna play song from it?
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Post by Naos on Aug 11, 2018 3:17:19 GMT -5
Why? It's just clever marketing to get your music to the people. If 100k Bon Jovi fans are buying ticket to the concert why not push the album with it as they're gonna play song from it? I think it's been stated already as to why it's not the same as ticket bundles. |
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Post by ddlz on Aug 11, 2018 4:02:54 GMT -5
I would really like for Billboard to give us a semi-logical explanation as to how buying t-shirts, posters and other merchandise from one's website reflects album's popularity.
I could somehow, barely stomach tour bundles (I still think they should be cancelled), but this merchandise loophole shouldn’t even be a thing in the first place. Absolutely preposterous.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Aug 11, 2018 4:32:02 GMT -5
Seriously good numbers either way, with bundles & without bundles (still 325k~ ish). But bundles are out of line now. His bundles aren't touring bundles, but are merch bundles. People buying a jacket from your website counts as an album sale now. Clothing purchases are now converted to music sales. Imagine a clothing designer releasing an album, bundling every sale of clothing in their stores with an album, and having the biggest album in America. I just really don't see how logically you could say that's representative of musical popularity with the public and not a give-away item with an entirely different purchase. Yeah. I'm all for musicians finding ways to be successful in a failing music climate, but a line gets crossed when sales from clothing gets to count as a sale of an album. It left a bitter taste in my mouth when I saw the desperate lengths Ariana Grande was willing to go to to score a #1 single, even using bundles for a single. I don't know, man. That's just wrong, on every level. It's a really problematic way of counting music consumption because I heard people who bought merch from Travis got a download link AND a physical copy of his album, which counts as a double sale and apparently, some who bought certain merch got the merch, a download link, a physical copy AND an invite to one of his album release parties (apparently, he held multiple album release parties during the week). All of this minus the fact that the album was still up for purchase on iTunes and was available for streaming. I really don't know how I feel about that and if this continues, I can see artists using both merch/tour bundles in the first week of their album's availability. Even tour bundles aren't a way to measure music consumption because it's still basically using a "buy one, get one free" system. I don't know, loads of artists are already starting to use bundles and it's already being normalized. The fans don't seem to be against it and there hasn't been any chatter within the industry that's made it's way to become public knowledge. The second and third biggest debut weeks this year alone used some sort of bundle. It's something I could totally see the industry being okay with. |
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Aug 11, 2018 16:06:35 GMT -5
So you'd be fine with them selling the album for $20 and giving a tshirt away free but not the other way around? That makes no sense
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Post by iHype. on Aug 11, 2018 16:46:06 GMT -5
So you'd be fine with them selling the album for $20 and giving a tshirt away free but not the other way around? That makes no sense That should count as an album sale, and not a t-shirt sale yes. It wouldn’t make sense to also count it as a t-shirt sale if the t-shirt is the free bundled gift. I really don’t see how this is different for example than say, a CD in a cereal box being counted as a sale. The price of the cereal and the price of the clothing largely differs, but at foundation they both have absolutely no relation to the music. The consumers who bought them were not looking to buy music. The only defense I’m really seeing people use across many sites is “sales are low so I support any way they can sell”. I personally don’t see how sales being low equates to artists should be encouraged to do loopholes to increase popularity that don’t represent popularity.. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Aug 11, 2018 20:12:13 GMT -5
One question for all: aren't ticket album bundles optional, meaning you can buy the bundle for something extra if you decide to get it instead of just the ticket itself? I do understand that if you buy the bundle but don't redeem your album sale doesn't count, which I'd think ought to be the least that should apply for any bundle.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 20:15:57 GMT -5
Is he even any good? I catch him on the radio now and then. Or is the Kylie Jenner bump.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 20:18:13 GMT -5
Also looks like Nicki has do over 200k-250k to beat him next week. Should be doable I can't see Travis Scott being like Drake and maintain these numbers. He could even drop 70% or more!
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Post by think pink. on Aug 11, 2018 20:20:26 GMT -5
This is a stupid question but do labels even make money from ticket bundles? Like are prices of ticket sales/merch increased and that percentage goes to the label?
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Post by TakeMe on Aug 11, 2018 20:37:35 GMT -5
Can someone PLEASE tell me where Nickis fans🤦🏽‍♂️ Omfg... are getting this info from that Queen is set to debut with over 400k-500k copies sold first week.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 20:41:48 GMT -5
Can someone PLEASE tell me where Nickis fans🤦🏽‍♂️ Omfg... are getting this info from that Queen is set to debut with over 400k-500k copies sold first week. Out they ass. |
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Post by willapted33 on Aug 11, 2018 21:16:42 GMT -5
Is he even any good? I catch him on the radio now and then. Or is the Kylie Jenner bump. yes |
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Post by willapted33 on Aug 11, 2018 21:17:03 GMT -5
you can't listen to this and not like it
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Aug 12, 2018 5:40:42 GMT -5
So you'd be fine with them selling the album for $20 and giving a tshirt away free but not the other way around? That makes no sense That should count as an album sale, and not a t-shirt sale yes. It wouldn’t make sense to also count it as a t-shirt sale if the t-shirt is the free bundled gift. I really don’t see how this is different for example than say, a CD in a cereal box being counted as a sale. The price of the cereal and the price of the clothing largely differs, but at foundation they both have absolutely no relation to the music. The consumers who bought them were not looking to buy music. The only defense I’m really seeing people use across many sites is “sales are low so I support any way they can sell”. I personally don’t see how sales being low equates to artists should be encouraged to do loopholes to increase popularity that don’t represent popularity.. So if I sell an album form $15 or an album and a t-shirt for $20, how are you deciding its the album being underpriced and not the t-shirt |
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Post by shayonce on Aug 12, 2018 9:38:14 GMT -5
One question for all: aren't ticket album bundles optional, meaning you can buy the bundle for something extra if you decide to get it instead of just the ticket itself? I do understand that if you buy the bundle but don't redeem your album sale doesn't count, which I'd think ought to be the least that should apply for any bundle. that was original idea but nobody want that, so label/billboard came with new tactic. "every ticket price include album price. but only people who redeem it can get the album.". so people are forced to pay album that they don't want, and still can't get it simply because of chart. +I don't think they are counted for shipment. this is why current tour bundle is joke.. |
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Post by shayonce on Aug 12, 2018 9:39:05 GMT -5
This is a stupid question but do labels even make money from ticket bundles? Like are prices of ticket sales/merch increased and that percentage goes to the label? most artists are now on 360 deal. they get like 50% from music revenue but share tour/merch money with label. |
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Post by bannedonatrl on Aug 12, 2018 10:51:13 GMT -5
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Aug 12, 2018 12:08:43 GMT -5
Can someone PLEASE tell me where Nickis fans🤦🏽‍♂️ Omfg... are getting this info from that Queen is set to debut with over 400k-500k copies sold first week. NO ONE knows yet cause nothing was said. No one expected Travis' numbers so anything can happen. |
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Post by iHype. on Aug 12, 2018 14:39:32 GMT -5
That should count as an album sale, and not a t-shirt sale yes. It wouldn’t make sense to also count it as a t-shirt sale if the t-shirt is the free bundled gift. I really don’t see how this is different for example than say, a CD in a cereal box being counted as a sale. The price of the cereal and the price of the clothing largely differs, but at foundation they both have absolutely no relation to the music. The consumers who bought them were not looking to buy music. The only defense I’m really seeing people use across many sites is “sales are low so I support any way they can sell”. I personally don’t see how sales being low equates to artists should be encouraged to do loopholes to increase popularity that don’t represent popularity.. So if I sell an album form $15 or an album and a t-shirt for $20, how are you deciding its the album being underpriced and not the t-shirt That's not the situation though. The situation at hand: A t-shirt is $30. You buy it, you can also get a free album thrown in. You can completely not redeem it. It's a free gift you decide whether you also want. The price is still $30 for the t-shirt whether you get the bonus gift or not. |
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