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Post by Naos on Sept 17, 2018 16:47:30 GMT -5
From @chartdata on Twitter
1. Adele - 25 (10.9 million)
2. Taylor Swift - 1989 (6.2 million)
3. Drake - Views (5.2 million)
4. Justin Bieber - Purpose (4.1 million)
5. Ed Sheeran - X (4 million)
6. twenty one pilots - Blurryface (3.6 million)
7. Ed Sheeran - Divide (3.6 million)
8. Kendrick Lamar - DAMN. (3.5 million)
9. Chris Stapleton - Traveller (3.4 million)
10. The Weeknd - Beauty Behind the Madness (3.4 million)
11. Sam Smith - In the Lonely Hour (3.3 million)
12. Original Broadway Cast Recording - Hamilton (3.3 million)
13. Drake - If You're Reading This It's Too Late (3.1 million)
14. Sam Hunt - Montevallo (3 million)
15. J. Cole - 2014 Forest Hills Drive (2.9 million)
16. Bruno Mars - 24K Magic (2.9 million)
17. Rihanna - Anti (2.9 million)
18. Taylor Swift - reputation (2.8 million)
19. Post Malone - Stoney (2.7 million)
20. Drake - More Life (2.6 million)
21. The Weeknd - Starboy (2.6 million)
22. Beyonce - Lemonade (2.6 million)
23. Pentatonix - That's Christmas to Me (2.3 million)
24. Meghan Trainor - Title (2.3 million)
25. Drake - Scorpion (2.2 million)
26. Various Artists - Moana OST (2.1 million)
27. Bryson Tiller - Trapsoul (2 million)
28. Various Artists - The Greatest Showman OST (2 million)
29. Post Malone - Beerbongs & Bentleys (2 million)
30. Nicki Minaj - The Pinkprint (1.9 million)
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Post by do u know da wae on Sept 17, 2018 18:43:23 GMT -5
People say Drake is a shitty albums artist but this list suggests otherwise
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Post by owenlovesmusic on Sept 17, 2018 19:35:06 GMT -5
WOW The IYRTITL mixtape at 3.1M!
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Sept 17, 2018 19:42:11 GMT -5
People say Drake is a s**tty albums artist but this list suggests otherwise He's not shitty, but he's not great. Average I'd say. |
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Post by kanfad on Sept 17, 2018 19:43:29 GMT -5
People say Drake is a s**tty albums artist but this list suggests otherwise He's not s**tty, but he's not great. Average I'd say. Are we looking at the same list? Thats average to you? |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Sept 17, 2018 19:45:08 GMT -5
He's not s**tty, but he's not great. Average I'd say. Are we looking at the same list? Thats average to you? Compared to Taylor and Adele or even Ed Sheeran, yeah. |
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Post by Naos on Sept 17, 2018 19:50:31 GMT -5
People say Drake is a s**tty albums artist but this list suggests otherwise His SPS is mostly driven off hits, unlike other entries from Taylor Swift, Adele, or hell, I think Pentatonix's is almost 100% pure sales. I'm not going to call Flo Rida an albums artist because his albums are currently eligible for multi-Platinum certifications because his album sales are shit. |
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Post by Exclusive on Sept 17, 2018 19:52:32 GMT -5
People say Drake is a s**tty albums artist but this list suggests otherwise I don't use drake.. but are we looking at the same list?
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Post by Gary on Sept 17, 2018 19:53:06 GMT -5
From @chartdata on Twitter 1. Adele - 25 (10.9 million) 2. Taylor Swift - 1989 (6.2 million) 3. Drake - Views (5.2 million) 4. Justin Bieber - Purpose (4.1 million) 5. Ed Sheeran - X (4 million) 6. twenty one pilots - Blurryface (3.6 million) 7. Ed Sheeran - Divide (3.6 million) 8. Kendrick Lamar - DAMN. (3.5 million) 9. Chris Stapleton - Traveller (3.4 million) 10. The Weeknd - Beauty Behind the Madness (3.4 million) 11. Sam Smith - In the Lonely Hour (3.3 million) 12. Original Broadway Cast Recording - Hamilton (3.3 million) 13. Drake - If You're Reading This It's Too Late (3.1 million) 14. Sam Hunt - Montevallo (3 million) 15. J. Cole - 2014 Forest Hills Drive (2.9 million) 16. Bruno Mars - 24K Magic (2.9 million) 17. Rihanna - Anti (2.9 million) 18. Taylor Swift - reputation (2.8 million) 19. Post Malone - Stoney (2.7 million) 20. Drake - More Life (2.6 million) 21. The Weeknd - Starboy (2.6 million) 22. Beyonce - Lemonade (2.6 million) 23. Pentatonix - That's Christmas to Me (2.3 million) 24. Meghan Trainor - Title (2.3 million) 25. Drake - Scorpion (2.2 million) 26. Various Artists - Moana OST (2.1 million) 27. Bryson Tiller - Trapsoul (2 million) 28. Various Artists - The Greatest Showman OST (2 million) 29. Post Malone - Beerbongs & Bentleys (2 million) 30. Nicki Minaj - The Pinkprint (1.9 million) Chartdata is reading oldbloke's stuff again (the real author) www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=133585&start=525 |
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Post by kanfad on Sept 17, 2018 19:56:46 GMT -5
Are we looking at the same list? Thats average to you? Compared to Taylor and Adele or even Ed Sheeran, yeah. Unless my math is wrong Drake - 13.1m Adele - 10.9 Taylor - 9m Ed Sheeran - 7.6m It doesn't really matter how many albums it took him to do this in just 3 years. I just know you're about to start going into the hypotheticals like "what if Adele released yearly" or some shit. We have the stats we have here and now and in this reality, this is level of consistency is far from average |
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Post by Naos on Sept 17, 2018 20:01:17 GMT -5
Apologies. I don't follow that forum in any way. And I know none of Chartdata's information is exactly original. People say Drake is a s**tty albums artist but this list suggests otherwise I don't use drake.. but are we looking at the same list?
Naos is this list purely sps + sales. Is TEA involved? This is Billboard 200 units. So sales + streaming + tracks. I would assume. Compared to Taylor and Adele or even Ed Sheeran, yeah. Unless my math is wrong Drake - 13.1m Adele - 10.9 Taylor - 9m Ed Sheeran - 7.6m It doesn't really matter how many albums it took him to do this in just 3 years. I just know you're about to start going into the hypotheticals like "what if Adele released yearly" or some s**t. We have the stats we have here and now and in this reality, this is level of consistency is far from average Clearly, people have different definitions of an album artists. Drake's actual sales are mediocre in comparison. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Sept 17, 2018 20:04:03 GMT -5
Compared to Taylor and Adele or even Ed Sheeran, yeah. Unless my math is wrong Drake - 13.1m Adele - 10.9 Taylor - 9m Ed Sheeran - 7.6m It doesn't really matter how many albums it took him to do this in just 3 years. I just know you're about to start going into the hypotheticals like "what if Adele released yearly" or some s**t. We have the stats we have here and now and in this reality, this is level of consistency is far from average Yeah, 13,1mil but 70% of that number are streams from Hotline Bling, In My Feelings, God's Plan, Nice For What and One Dance. |
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Post by Exclusive on Sept 17, 2018 20:04:50 GMT -5
I don't use drake.. but are we looking at the same list? Naos is this list purely sps + sales. Is TEA involved? This is Billboard 200 units. So sales + streaming + tracks. I would assume.
1989's units looks low. I know that it's certified 9x Platinum so its at least over 8,500,000 units. But I recall Billboard and RIAA use different metrics for sales.
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Post by Naos on Sept 17, 2018 20:05:57 GMT -5
This is Billboard 200 units. So sales + streaming + tracks. I would assume.
1989's units looks low. I know that it's certified 9x Platinum so its at least over 8,500,000 units. But I recall Billboard and RIAA use different metrics for sales.
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Post by do u know da wae on Sept 17, 2018 20:06:37 GMT -5
Apologies. I don't follow that forum in any way. And I know none of Chartdata's information is exactly original. I don't use drake.. but are we looking at the same list?
Naos is this list purely sps + sales. Is TEA involved? This is Billboard 200 units. So sales + streaming + tracks. I would assume. Unless my math is wrong Drake - 13.1m Adele - 10.9 Taylor - 9m Ed Sheeran - 7.6m It doesn't really matter how many albums it took him to do this in just 3 years. I just know you're about to start going into the hypotheticals like "what if Adele released yearly" or some s**t. We have the stats we have here and now and in this reality, this is level of consistency is far from average Clearly, people have different definitions of an album artists. Drake's actual sales are mediocre in comparison. #1 albums artist in terms of SPS = mediocre... Man, pulse really hates drake |
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Post by kanfad on Sept 17, 2018 20:06:44 GMT -5
People say Drake is a s**tty albums artist but this list suggests otherwise His SPS is mostly driven off hits, unlike other entries from Taylor Swift, Adele, or hell, I think Pentatonix's is almost 100% pure sales. I'm not going to call Flo Rida an albums artist because his albums are currently eligible for multi-Platinum certifications because his album sales are s**t. If You're Reading This Its Too Late basically had no hits in the hot 100. Highest peaking song reached #25, barely I'd also say Multiply and Divide got more sps units from Thinking Out Loud and Shape of You respectively than More Life did from Passionfruit 15 songs from Views are certified platinum, meaning you take away the 4 dancehall singles, you still have insanely popular album cuts And yeah, I wouldnt really go comparing Drake to Flo Rida either |
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Post by Exclusive on Sept 17, 2018 20:09:00 GMT -5
1989's units looks low. I know that it's certified 9x Platinum so its at least over 8,500,000 units. But I recall Billboard and RIAA use different metrics for sales.
RIAA counts songs released before the album - Billboard does not. Billboard also counts receipt purchases as one, whether or not multiple albums are purchased at once. The rules can get very confusing at times. I guess Billboard is just mitigating inflations of sales. |
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Post by Naos on Sept 17, 2018 20:09:20 GMT -5
I'd also say Multiply and Divide got more sps units from Thinking Out Loud and Shape of You respectively than More Life did from Passionfruit 15 songs from Views are certified platinum, meaning you take away the 4 dancehall singles, you still have insanely popular album cuts And yeah, I wouldnt really go comparing Drake to Flo Rida either Divide and X do. But again, Sheeran can actually move sales. Drake can't. And I would. Why wouldn't I? They're both pop-friendly rap artists mainly driven off their singles. #1 albums artist in terms of SPS = mediocre... Man, pulse really hates drake I said in terms of actual sales. You know, when people actually put money into it. People don't care much for Drake if they actually have to put money into it. He's like the free sample you get just because it's free. |
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Post by kanfad on Sept 17, 2018 20:17:44 GMT -5
Unless my math is wrong Drake - 13.1m Adele - 10.9 Taylor - 9m Ed Sheeran - 7.6m It doesn't really matter how many albums it took him to do this in just 3 years. I just know you're about to start going into the hypotheticals like "what if Adele released yearly" or some s**t. We have the stats we have here and now and in this reality, this is level of consistency is far from average Yeah, 13,1mil but 70% of that number are streams from Hotline Bling, In My Feelings, God's Plan, Nice For What and One Dance. Okay, so with Views, because its 4 official singles are more successful than the other album cuts, 11 of which are certified platinum with more probably eligible or close to gold status, Drake isn't an album artist? I have no idea why people still feel a way about streaming in 2018 but it happens I guess |
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Post by kanfad on Sept 17, 2018 20:24:44 GMT -5
I'd also say Multiply and Divide got more sps units from Thinking Out Loud and Shape of You respectively than More Life did from Passionfruit 15 songs from Views are certified platinum, meaning you take away the 4 dancehall singles, you still have insanely popular album cuts And yeah, I wouldnt really go comparing Drake to Flo Rida either Divide and X do. But again, Sheeran can actually move sales. Drake can't. And I would. Why wouldn't I? They're both pop-friendly rap artists mainly driven off their singles. #1 albums artist in terms of SPS = mediocre... Man, pulse really hates drake I said in terms of actual sales. You know, when people actually put money into it. People don't care much for Drake if they actually have to put money into it. He's like the free sample you get just because it's free. You know what, I've conceded. Its 2018 and I really still can't be having "Drake is a pop star" "being popular in mainly streaming means people dont care" "sales>streams" arguments. As long as Billboard and I share the same opinion that Drake is the top albums artist of the sps era, I'm satisfied |
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Post by Naos on Sept 17, 2018 20:30:41 GMT -5
You know what, I've conceded. Its 2018 and I really still can't be having "Drake is a pop star" "being popular in mainly streaming means people dont care" "sales>streams" arguments. As long as Billboard and I share the same opinion that Drake is the top albums artist of the sps era, I'm satisfied And nobody does care. You can look at his ticket sales for that. How does Drake not qualify as a pop star? He makes music for the same audience. And for the charts. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Sept 17, 2018 20:36:30 GMT -5
Yeah, 13,1mil but 70% of that number are streams from Hotline Bling, In My Feelings, God's Plan, Nice For What and One Dance. Okay, so with Views, because its 4 official singles are more successful than the other album cuts, 11 of which are certified platinum with more probably eligible or close to gold status, Drake isn't an album artist? I have no idea why people still feel a way about streaming in 2018 but it happens I guess first week (pure album sales): Scorpion 160.000 Kamikaze 252.000 even Katy's biggest 'flop' Witness sold more in its first week. I know it's a streaming era, but Drake is not an album artist, he's a streaming artist. |
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Post by owenlovesmusic on Sept 17, 2018 20:37:12 GMT -5
Here's the full thing. (Credit to Oldboke)
01 - 10,907,000 - 25 - Adele
02 - 6,234,000 - 1989 - Taylor Swift
03 - 5,195,000 - VIEWS - Drake
04 - 4,115,000 - PURPOSE - Justin Bieber
05 - 3,994,000 - X - Ed Sheeran
06 - 3,645,000 - BLURRYFACE - Twenty One Pilots
07 - 3,575,000 - ÷ - Ed Sheeran
08 - 3,475,000 - DAMN. - Kendrick Lamar
09 - 3,396,000 - TRAVELLER - Chris Stapleton
10 - 3,367,000 - BEAUTY BEHIND THE MADNESS - The Weeknd
11 - 3,300,000 - IN THE LONELY HOUR - Sam Smith
12 - 3,260,000 - HAMILTON: AN AMERICAN MUSICAL - Original Cast
13 - 3,099,000 - IF YOU'RE READING THIS IT'S TOO LATE - Drake
14 - 2,980,000 - MONTEVALLO - Sam Hunt
15 - 2,926,000 - 2014 FOREST HILLS DRIVE - J Cole
16 - 2,895,000 - 24K MAGIC - Bruno Mars
17 - 2,860,000 - ANTI - Rihanna
18 - 2,834,000 - REPUTATION - Taylor Swift
19 - 2,676,000 - STONEY - Post Malone
20 - 2,611,000 - MORE LIFE - Drake
21 - 2,604,000 - STARBOY - The Weeknd
22 - 2,557,000 - LEMONADE - Beyoncé
23 - 2,259,000 - THAT'S CHRISTMAS TO ME - Pentatonix
24 - 2,254,000 - TITLE - Meghan Trainor
25 - 2,136,000 - SCORPION - Drake
26 - 2,069,000 - MOANA - Soundtrack
27 - 2,025,000 - T R A P S O U L - Bryson Tiller
28 - 1,994,000 - THE GREATEST SHOWMAN - Soundtrack
29 - 1,992,000 - BEERBONGS AND BENTLEYS - Post Malone
30 - 1,922,000 - THE PINKPRINT - Nicki Minaj
31 - 1,896,000 - KILL THE LIGHTS - Luke Bryan
32 - 1,853,000 - HOZIER - Hozier
33 - 1,837,000 - AMERICAN TEEN - Khalid
34 - 1,808,000 - V - Maroon 5
35 - 1,789,000 - EVOLVE - Imagine Dragons
36 - 1,700,000 - WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE - Drake & Future
37 - 1,681,000 - TANGLED UP - Thomas Rhett
38 - 1,656,000 - DS2 - Future
39 - 1,648,000 - CULTURE - Migos
40 - 1,643,000 - TROLLS - Soundtrack
41 - 1,631,000 - 21 - Adele
42 - 1,629,000 - TAKE CARE - Drake
43 - 1,593,000 - TO PIMP A BUTTERFLY - Kendrick Lamar
44 - 1,567,000 - DEATH OF A BACHELOR - Panic At The Disco
45 - 1,544,000 - FETTY WAP - Fetty Wap
46 - 1,539,000 - 50 SHADES OF GREY - Soundtrack
47 - 1,536,000 - GOOD KID M.A.A.D CITY - Kendrick Lamar
48 - 1,523,000 - DANGEROUS WOMAN - Ariana Grande
49 - 1,497,000 - BIRDS IN THE TRAP SING MCKNIGHT - Travis Scott
50 - 1,497,000 - AMERICAN BEAUTY/AMERICAN PSYCHO - Fall Out Boy
51 - 1,496,000 - NIGHT VISIONS - Imagine Dragons
52 - 1,488,000 - BADLANDS - Halsey
53 - 1,486,000 - A PENTATONIX CHRISTMAS - Pentatonix
54 - 1,476,000 - LEGEND - Bob Marley & the Wailers
55 - 1,466,000 - HANDWRITTEN - Shawn Mendes
56 - 1,438,000 - SUICIDE SQUAD: THE ALBUM - Soundtrack
57 - 1,424,000 - LUV IS RAGE Lil Uzi Vert
58 - 1,386,000 - WHEN IT'S DARK OUT - G-Eazy
59 - 1,385,000 - THE LIFE OF deleted - Kanye West
60 - 1,385,000 - CURTAIN CALL: THE HITS - Eminem
61 - 1,383,000 - NOTHING WAS THE SAME - Drake
62 - 1,380,000 - GREATEST HITS - Journey
63 - 1,360,000 - RIPCORD - Keith Urban
64 - 1,354,000 - ISLAH - Kevin Gates
65 - 1,336,000 - MADE IN THE A.M. - One Direction
66 - 1,328,000 - ILLUMINATE - Shawn Mendes
67 - 1,321,000 - VESSEL - Twenty One Pilots
68 - 1,319,000 - INVASION OF PRIVACY Cardi B - Cardi B
69 - 1,318,000 - 4 YOUR EYEZ ONLY - J Cole
70 - 1,296,000 - HARDWIRED…TO SELF-DESTRUCT - Metallica
71 - 1,273,000 - COLORING BOOK - Chance The Rapper
72 - 1,230,000 - GREATEST HITS: DECADE #1 - Carrie Underwood
73 - 1,214,000 - DIG YOUR ROOTS - Florida Georgia Line
74 - 1,207,000 - CULTURE II - Migos
75 - 1,201,000 - GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY: AWESOME MIX VOL. 1 - Soundtrack
76 - 1,199,000 - CTRL - SZA
77 - 1,192,000 - CRASH MY PARTY - Luke Bryan
78 - 1,183,000 - FUTURE - Future
79 - 1,176,000 - GREATEST HITS SO FAR… - Zac Brown Band
80 - 1,172,000 - REVIVAL - Selena Gomez
81 - 1,172,000 - KANE BROWN - Kane Brown
82 - 1,166,000 - BEAUTIFUL TRAUMA - P!nk
83 - 1,166,000 - THIS IS ACTING - Sia
84 - 1,153,000 - DOO-WOPS & HOOLIGANS - Bruno Mars
85 - 1,139,000 - DARK SKY PARADISE - Big Sean
86 - 1,136,000 - 17 - XXXTentacion
87 - 1,135,000 - THE EMINEM SHOW - Eminem
88 - 1,128,000 - ? - XXXTentacion
89 - 1,101,000 - FROM A ROOM: VOLUME 1 Chris Stapleton - Chris Stapleton
90 - 1,093,000 - BLACK PANTHER: THE ALBUM - Soundtrack
91 - 1,083,000 - SMOKE + MIRRORS - Imagine Dragons
92 - 1,080,000 - A HEAD FULL OF DREAMS - Coldplay
93 - 1,076,000 - METALLICA - Metallica
94 - 1,072,000 - CRY BABY - Melanie Martinez
95 - 1,062,000 - THE THRILL OF IT ALL - Sam Smith
96 - 1,061,000 - STORYTELLER - Carrie Underwood
97 - 1,057,000 - FOUR - One Direction
98 - 1,053,000 - CHRISTMAS - Michael Bublé
99 - 1,047,000 - GREATEST HITS - 2Pac
100 - 1,044,000 - ASTROWORLD - Travis Scott
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Post by Naos on Sept 17, 2018 20:40:17 GMT -5
Wooo Pentatonix! Biggest a cappella act of all-time, I believe.
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Post by kanfad on Sept 17, 2018 20:45:47 GMT -5
Okay, so with Views, because its 4 official singles are more successful than the other album cuts, 11 of which are certified platinum with more probably eligible or close to gold status, Drake isn't an album artist? I have no idea why people still feel a way about streaming in 2018 but it happens I guess first week (pure album sales): Scorpion 160.000 Kamikaze 252.000 even Katy's biggest 'flop' Witness sold more in its first week. I know it's a streaming era, but Drake is not an album artist, he's a streaming artist. Didn't Kamikaze have bundles? Im actually genuinely asking Anyway you've got your definition, Billboards got theirs. Its all good |
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Post by kanfad on Sept 17, 2018 20:52:17 GMT -5
You know what, I've conceded. Its 2018 and I really still can't be having "Drake is a pop star" "being popular in mainly streaming means people dont care" "sales>streams" arguments. As long as Billboard and I share the same opinion that Drake is the top albums artist of the sps era, I'm satisfied And nobody does care. You can look at his ticket sales for that. How does Drake not qualify as a pop star? He makes music for the same audience. And for the charts. He just booked extra dates to LA and Atlanta shows after like 5 sold out shows in each city due to, according to each venues words " Insane fan demand" Also sold out MSG in 4 consecutive nights. Yeah, you've opened my eyes. Drake and Flo Rida make the same music and have the same audience. You are right |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Sept 17, 2018 21:06:46 GMT -5
Man, some of the opinions I'm seeing in this thread are crazy weak. "Drake is not an album artist, he's a streaming artist." Like Views didn't move over 852k pure copies in it's first week and was STILL a streaming monster. Like the first week sales of ALL his albums and mixtapes before the streaming era weren't higher than 95% of the pop stars you're comparing him to. Doesn't matter what the man does, some of you will ALWAYS try to undermine his commercial viability. Same thing that happens at ATRL. So silly and ridiculous.
Also, this foolish rumor that it was somehow hard for him to sell out an arena tour, meanwhile, he's still adding dates to the tour and all the dates he's performed at so far have been sold out. Man, I guess. Whatever narrative works for y'all.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Sept 17, 2018 21:08:06 GMT -5
Okay, so with Views, because its 4 official singles are more successful than the other album cuts, 11 of which are certified platinum with more probably eligible or close to gold status, Drake isn't an album artist? I have no idea why people still feel a way about streaming in 2018 but it happens I guess first week (pure album sales): Scorpion 160.000 Kamikaze 252.000 even Katy's biggest 'flop' Witness sold more in its first week. I know it's a streaming era, but Drake is not an album artist, he's a streaming artist. Kamikaze, Astroworld, b&B, damn near every major release this year has had tour/merch bundles. Something Drake didn't do. What is this point driving at exactly? |
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Post by iHype. on Sept 18, 2018 2:40:21 GMT -5
Are people really saying an artist who's done 1 million first week, and spent 13 weeks #1 with an album has 'average' album performance? And is comparable to Flo Rida in the album department?
I've heard it all. Even a Trump supporter couldn't manage to sound so out of mind.
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Post by nickd on Sept 18, 2018 3:12:41 GMT -5
This is Billboard 200 units. So sales + streaming + tracks. I would assume.
1989's units looks low. I know that it's certified 9x Platinum so its at least over 8,500,000 units. But I recall Billboard and RIAA use different metrics for sales.
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