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Post by Naos on Sept 18, 2018 3:42:03 GMT -5
Are people really saying an artist who's done 1 million first week, and spent 13 weeks #1 with an album has 'average' album performance? And is comparable to Flo Rida in the album department? I've heard it all. Even a Trump supporter couldn't manage to sound so out of mind. Like Flo Rida (though to a lesser degree), Drake is mainly driven off of singles. Not album sales. He probably has multi-platinum albums because of his single success. Doesn't mean I'm going to start calling him an album artist. As I mentioned before, Taylor Swift, Pentatonix, and Adele's entries on here are mostly pure sales. THAT is what an album artist is. Someone who can actually, you know... Sell albums. And all of them have sold over 2 million pure with at least one album here. Drake's on the other hand, rely on the strength of singles (streaming).
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Post by iHype. on Sept 18, 2018 4:11:22 GMT -5
Are people really saying an artist who's done 1 million first week, and spent 13 weeks #1 with an album has 'average' album performance? And is comparable to Flo Rida in the album department? I've heard it all. Even a Trump supporter couldn't manage to sound so out of mind. Like Flo Rida (though to a lesser degree), Drake is mainly driven off of singles. Not album sales. He probably has multi-platinum albums because of his single success. Doesn't mean I'm going to start calling him an album artist. As I mentioned before, Taylor Swift, Pentatonix, and Adele's entries on here are mostly pure sales. THAT is what an album artist is. Someone who can actually, you know... Sell albums. And all of them have sold over 2 million pure with at least one album here. Drake's on the other hand, rely on the strength of singles (streaming). Wow, the delusion. Views is eligible for 6x Platinum. The singles: Hotline Bling - 7x Platinum One Dance - 7x Platinum Too Good - 3x Platinum Controlla - 3x Platinum Pop Style - 2x Platinum 22x Platinum = 2.2 million album units. 6 million units (eligible) - 2.2 million = 3.8 million units without singles. Nearly 4 million taking away all the singles. Pentatonix hasn't even had an album do 3 million, let alone 4 million, not counting single activity so how would they be album artists, but not Drake? Also considering Drake's had a release sell 495,000 in 3 days with no singles released prior, please explain how a non-albums artist reliant on hit singles does that? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_You%27re_Reading_This_It%27s_Too_Late
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Post by iHype. on Sept 18, 2018 4:26:18 GMT -5
Unless my math is wrong Drake - 13.1m Adele - 10.9 Taylor - 9m Ed Sheeran - 7.6m It doesn't really matter how many albums it took him to do this in just 3 years. I just know you're about to start going into the hypotheticals like "what if Adele released yearly" or some s**t. We have the stats we have here and now and in this reality, this is level of consistency is far from average Yeah, 13,1mil but 70% of that number are streams from Hotline Bling, In My Feelings, God's Plan, Nice For What and One Dance. Why lie when simple math can easily correct this. Hotline Bling - 5 million~ units without video streams One Dance - 6 million~ units without video streams In My Feelings - 3 million~ units without video streams God's Plan - 6.5 million~ units without video streams Nice For What - 4 million~ units without video streams = 24.5 million units / 10 = 2.45 million album units. More like less than 20% of his units are from Hotline Bling, In My Feelings, God's Plan, Nice For What and One Dance13.1m - 2.45m = 10.65 million without those hits. Still more than every artist, as Adele has 10.9m but when you also remove her singles units from her total, she remains below him. What will the next excuse to discredit him be?
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Post by Naos on Sept 18, 2018 4:32:30 GMT -5
Views is eligible for 6x Platinum. The singles: Hotline Bling - 7x Platinum One Dance - 7x Platinum Too Good - 3x Platinum Controlla - 3x Platinum Pop Style - 2x Platinum 22x Platinum = 2.2 million album units. 6 million units (eligible) - 2.2 million = 3.8 million units without singles. Nearly 4 million taking away all the singles. Pentatonix hasn't even had an album do 3 million, let alone 4 million, not counting single activity so how would they be album artists, but not Drake? Also considering Drake's had a release sell 495,000 in 3 days with no singles released prior, please explain how a non-albums artist reliant on hit singles does that? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_You%27re_Reading_This_It%27s_Too_LateIf 'Views' were truly eligible for 6x Platinum, it would have been certified when everything else was not too long ago, no? Plus, why are we talking RIAA? When Billboard is what matters? Because Pentatonix do poorly on streaming, which makes sense because they can't sell many singles to save their lives. Their last single to make the digital sales chart was "Havana", and that peaked at #50 there with 8,000 copies sold. Their highest certified singles are only Platinum with "Hallelujah" and "Mary, Did You Know?". Meaning they only make around 100,000 units when counting for singles activity. I consider an albums artist one who makes the majority of their units through album sales. And Pentatonix does this. Their pure sales almost match up perfectly with the Billboard units mentioned here. Drake on the other hand, doesn't. Streaming is not a good indicator if the whole album is popular anyway.
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Post by iHype. on Sept 18, 2018 4:44:24 GMT -5
Views is eligible for 6x Platinum. The singles: Hotline Bling - 7x Platinum One Dance - 7x Platinum Too Good - 3x Platinum Controlla - 3x Platinum Pop Style - 2x Platinum 22x Platinum = 2.2 million album units. 6 million units (eligible) - 2.2 million = 3.8 million units without singles. Nearly 4 million taking away all the singles. Pentatonix hasn't even had an album do 3 million, let alone 4 million, not counting single activity so how would they be album artists, but not Drake? Also considering Drake's had a release sell 495,000 in 3 days with no singles released prior, please explain how a non-albums artist reliant on hit singles does that? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_You%27re_Reading_This_It%27s_Too_LateIf 'Views' were truly eligible for 6x Platinum, it would have been certified when everything else was not too long ago, no? Plus, why are we talking RIAA? When Billboard is what matters? Because Pentatonix do poorly on streaming, which makes sense because they can't sell many singles to save their lives. Their last single to make the digital sales chart was "Havana", and that peaked at #50 there with 8,000 copies sold. Their highest certified singles are only Platinum with "Hallelujah" and "Mary, Did You Know?". Meaning they only make around 100,000 units when counting for singles activity. I consider an albums artist one who makes the majority of their units through album sales. And Pentatonix does this. Their pure sales almost match up perfectly with the Billboard units mentioned here. Drake on the other hand, doesn't. Streaming is not a good indicator if the whole album is popular anyway. Drake's label hasn't re-certified any of his previous album releases for awhile. Views is still certified 4x Platinum, when this thread literally has it at 5.2 million. Then you add in pre album release single activity and VEVO views and it's 6x Platinum eligible. And RIAA or Billboard... the point remains the same. Views would be past 3 million not including any single consumption. Higher than any Pentatonix album. Your point makes no sense: - An artist does 3 million units without any singles: not an albums artist - An artist does 2 million units without any singles: an albums artist Using this logic, someone doing 20K SPS with 19,999 being pure sales is a 'bigger albums artist' than someone doing 2 million SPS with 1,000,000 being pure sales. Having a higher ratio doesn't equate to being a bigger draw with albums overall.
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Post by Naos on Sept 18, 2018 5:40:10 GMT -5
If 'Views' were truly eligible for 6x Platinum, it would have been certified when everything else was not too long ago, no? Plus, why are we talking RIAA? When Billboard is what matters? Because Pentatonix do poorly on streaming, which makes sense because they can't sell many singles to save their lives. Their last single to make the digital sales chart was "Havana", and that peaked at #50 there with 8,000 copies sold. Their highest certified singles are only Platinum with "Hallelujah" and "Mary, Did You Know?". Meaning they only make around 100,000 units when counting for singles activity. I consider an albums artist one who makes the majority of their units through album sales. And Pentatonix does this. Their pure sales almost match up perfectly with the Billboard units mentioned here. Drake on the other hand, doesn't. Streaming is not a good indicator if the whole album is popular anyway. Drake's label hasn't re-certified any of his previous album releases for awhile. Views is still certified 4x Platinum, when this thread literally has it at 5.2 million. Then you add in pre album release single activity and VEVO views and it's 6x Platinum eligible. And RIAA or Billboard... the point remains the same. Views would be past 3 million not including any single consumption. Higher than any Pentatonix album. Your point makes no sense: - An artist does 3 million units without any singles: not an albums artist - An artist does 2 million units without any singles: an albums artist Using this logic, someone doing 20K SPS with 19,999 being pure sales is a 'bigger albums artist' than someone doing 2 million SPS with 1,000,000 being pure sales. Having a higher ratio doesn't equate to being a bigger draw with albums overall. And the actual sales for Views were still pretty crap considering how long it's been out from a mainstream artist. And that's a big deal, considering Pentatonix aren't mainstream. Views hasn't even crossed 2 million in pure sales. Haven't I made it clear? That's what I care about? Not easily manipulated streaming?
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Post by iHype. on Sept 18, 2018 5:56:28 GMT -5
Drake's label hasn't re-certified any of his previous album releases for awhile. Views is still certified 4x Platinum, when this thread literally has it at 5.2 million. Then you add in pre album release single activity and VEVO views and it's 6x Platinum eligible. And RIAA or Billboard... the point remains the same. Views would be past 3 million not including any single consumption. Higher than any Pentatonix album. Your point makes no sense: - An artist does 3 million units without any singles: not an albums artist - An artist does 2 million units without any singles: an albums artist Using this logic, someone doing 20K SPS with 19,999 being pure sales is a 'bigger albums artist' than someone doing 2 million SPS with 1,000,000 being pure sales. Having a higher ratio doesn't equate to being a bigger draw with albums overall. And the actual sales for Views were still pretty crap considering how long it's been out from a mainstream artist. And that's a big deal, considering Pentatonix aren't mainstream. Views hasn't even crossed 2 million in pure sales. Haven't I made it clear? That's what I care about? Not easily manipulated streaming? Only one album has even matched Views sales since it was released. How can it be crap sales, if multiple years later, only ONE album can match it? Surely if the sales were crap, you could find a dozen albums during that period with higher numbers?
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Post by thegreatdivine on Sept 18, 2018 6:15:56 GMT -5
"Easily manipulated streaming", LMAO. I swear, some of you pure sale enthusiasts think you're going against the big bad streaming system like pure sales aren't DEAD. The biggest artists are now relying on tour/merch bundles to beef up first-week pure sale figures, that isn't manipulation and inflation of numbers in and of itself? Streaming figures are actually calculated daily/weekly/monthly and you need to have your content consumed in large amounts consistently for you to even pull in decent numbers on the streaming front. The beauty of the fall of pure sales is that if your fave can't do well on streaming, it won't matter how much beefed pure sale figures they can pull in the first week, the album will be frontloaded and will STALL after a few weeks: compare Taylor Swift's 1989 era to her reputation era. Let's see what magic trick Taylor Swift pulls out of her ass to move heavy pure sale units the next time she drops an album, lmao. Discrediting streaming literally means nothing. It's the present and for the time being, the foreseeable future of music consumption.
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Post by shayonce on Sept 18, 2018 6:49:43 GMT -5
the argument is so weak and low level, I don't even know whre to start. lol ignoring basic things like.. hiphop fans no longer buy albums, but use "streaming" or people simply use streaming now. and If streaming was that easy to manipulated carters and nicki and many others would do bigger numbers right now.. lo
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Post by Naos on Sept 18, 2018 12:58:41 GMT -5
"Easily manipulated streaming", LMAO. I swear, some of you pure sale enthusiasts think you're going against the big bad streaming system like pure sales aren't DEAD. The biggest artists are now relying on tour/merch bundles to beef up first-week pure sale figures, that isn't manipulation and inflation of numbers in and of itself? Streaming figures are actually calculated daily/weekly/monthly and you need to have your content consumed in large amounts consistently for you to even pull in decent numbers on the streaming front. The beauty of the fall of pure sales is that if your fave can't do well on streaming, it won't matter how much beefed pure sale figures they can pull in the first week, the album will be frontloaded and will STALL after a few weeks: compare Taylor Swift's 1989 era to her reputation era. Let's see what magic trick Taylor Swift pulls out of her ass to move heavy pure sale units the next time she drops an album, lmao. Discrediting streaming literally means nothing. It's the present and for the time being, the foreseeable future of music consumption. Sales are very much alive in other parts of the world like Japan and South Korea. And Justin Timberlake's flop album has outsold Scorpion. Which is sad. Tour bundles require redeeming, and showing actual interest in the album rather than something that fans can just stream constantly. I'd rather have streaming count only unique users, because that makes more sense for displaying popularity among the general public rather than fringe fanbases. I'm not going to call an album that can't even sell 30,000 copies like Lil Baby's or Juice WRLD's a success. They're all driven off units of one song. Carly Rae Jepsen's 'Kiss' is a Platinum album off "Call Me Maybe" alone. That shows a major flaw in the SPS system. It's essentially double-counting. The Hot 100 is a factor in the Billboard 200, but not vice-versa.
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Post by kanfad on Sept 19, 2018 14:25:06 GMT -5
From chartdata Best Performing Artists on the Billboard 200 in the SPS era:
1. Drake............................17.8m 2. Adele............................12.8m 3. Taylor Swift............. ....9 6m 4. Ed Sheeran...................8.4m 5. The Weeknd................7.4m 6. Kendrick Lamar...........7.0m 7. Future...........................6.4m 8. J Cole....................... ...5.7m 9. Twenty One Pilots.......5.0m 10. Eminem................. ....5.0m 11. Chris Stapleton.... .....5.0m 12. Pentatonix..................4.9m 13. Post Malone..............4.7m 14. Bruno Mars................4.7m 15. Imagine Dragons.......4.4m 16. Sam Smith.................4.4m 17. Justin Bieber..............4.2m 18. Luke Bryan.................4.2m 19. Beyonce.....................4.1m 20. Shawn Mendes.........3.3m
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Post by Zach on Sept 19, 2018 14:31:25 GMT -5
I'm dying at the "opinions" (flat out inaccuracies) being expressed in this thread. I just gave up on reading when I reached the comparison of Drake to Flo Rida in the albums department. What delusion. And I don't even like Drake all that much.
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Post by Naos on Sept 19, 2018 15:47:38 GMT -5
From chartdata Best Performing Artists on the Billboard 200 in the SPS era: 1. Drake............................17.8m 2. Adele............................12.8m 3. Taylor Swift............. ....9 6m 4. Ed Sheeran...................8.4m 5. The Weeknd................7.4m 6. Kendrick Lamar...........7.0m 7. Future...........................6.4m 8. J Cole....................... ...5.7m 9. Twenty One Pilots.......5.0m 10. Eminem................. ....5.0m 11. Chris Stapleton.... .....5.0m 12. Pentatonix..................4.9m 13. Post Malone..............4.7m 14. Bruno Mars................4.7m 15. Imagine Dragons.......4.4m 16. Sam Smith.................4.4m 17. Justin Bieber..............4.2m 18. Luke Bryan.................4.2m 19. Beyonce.....................4.1m 20. Shawn Mendes.........3.3m How is Pentatonix above Bruno Mars and Justin Bieber? They had more releases, I think, but it's not like they did extremely well outside of their self-titled and Christmas albums. They seem really out of place in a chart full of hitmakers.
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